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My neighbor has a confederate flag.

>>>And yeah, 'fuck you' is the message they intend, but the message that's actually received is 'I'm a racist loser asshole'.

And if that's the message you take away from it, I'm sure the rebel would think "mission accomplished".

Lex
 
Críostóir said:
Or maybe he just liked the look of it and had no idea what it meant.

Or maybe he was just a racist. It's probably the most explicitly racist symbol you can legally display in Canada. The swastika flag (the next most racist) is probably a violation of Canadian hate crimes laws.
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A lot of people seem to think that Canada's "hate crime laws" mean that anything other people don't like is "illegal."

It is largely about context. You can display a Nazi flag, but if you nail one to the door of a Synagogue than you might be involution of the law. Heck, you can even get tattoos in visible places with Nazi symbols. A guy at a local movie rental store has a big swastika tattooed on his calf and frequently wears shorts in the summer.

To quote Wiki:
"In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred[9] against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offence under the Criminal Code of Canada with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990)."​

By and large, the only people to be charged under this law have been publically advocating hate/genocide/etc. Privately, people are free to think and believe whatever they want. Parents can teach racism to their children, Churches can teach homophobia to their followers, people can write/sell/buy books about bigoted ideologies... they just can't put that stuff on a billboard.


I look at as the law protecting the rights of the victim over those of their attacker. Passing out flyers that read, "kill all faggots!" is tantamount to terrorism, because the explicit reason is to create terror in the targeted community; to rob those law abiding citizens of the ability to live without fear. (See Hate Crime: A Canadian Perspective.)
 
Strictly speaking, that's the ensign of the Confederate navy, not the Confederate national flag.

For most of its existence, the national flag of the CSA was the "stainless banner"; which consisted of the design of the ensign in the upper-hoist corner of a pure white flag, something like this:

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On Mar 5 1865, a broad red stripe was added along the fly side:
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It was this last that was the official flag of the CSA at the time of its dissolution. The flag consisting only of the cross was never used as a national flag, only as a military ensign.
 
My God,

God save the JUB

This thread actually turned into a learning experience

Thanks all, especially Winterknight for that last post.
 
winterknight said:
Strictly speaking, that's the ensign of the Confederate navy, not the Confederate national flag.

For most of its existence, the national flag of the CSA was the "stainless banner"; which consisted of the design of the ensign in the upper-hoist corner of a pure white flag, something like this:

On Mar 5 1865, a broad red stripe was added along the fly side:

It was this last that was the official flag of the CSA at the time of its dissolution. The flag consisting only of the cross was never used as a national flag, only as a military ensign.
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That's why we pointed out that it's the Confederate Battle Flag early in the thread. And the one with the red along the side is called the "bloodstained banner."

The flag we're discussing was used as the flag of pseudo-nationalist white southerners, the "nation" they called the Confederacy. THEY misidentified the banner, and made it the flag of the "nation" they imagine when they say "the South shall rise again!"
 
This reminds me of my mother in laws boarder many years ago...He was a sweet guy, but a little slow. He LOVED to paint, and would copy pictures he found in magazines. Well, one day he went out to the garage with one of his latest paintings, to hang it up. Now the garage door was broken in the up position, so you could see right into it. He hung the picture up proudly.
My mother in law saw it and nearly shit! It was a picture of Adolph Hitler, and she lived in a very Jewish neighborhood. All her neighbors had seen it before she could take it down...
 
The Amish are a steadfast and practical people.

They probably just assumed you are a tad frivolous and a bit queer for colors.

I doubt that fag or gay or queer have the same meaning in their dictionary.

(!):rotflmao:(!)
 
"At the end of the day, the confederate flag is a symbol.
And I like to leave symbols to the "symbol-minded".

- George Carlin​
 
elvin1 said:
I for one would not be happy if my neighbor had a confederate flag. I think it's trashy.

BUT, who am I to say what people can or cannot have? As long as you aren't hurting me or others, do whatever the fuck you want.
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Hmm. I was assuming that goes without saying, at least in the US. I wasn't talking about getting the Neighborhood Watch to force him to take it down.

Just analyzing what it says about him. And what it says is that he's a racist loser.
 
Críostóir said:
Not an accurate description. In the mid 1800s, the United States began working to outlaw slavery. Some of the Slaveholder States rebelled, claiming they had formed the Confederate States of America. This rebellion was successfully put down by the legal government of the United States, and as a result there is no legal slavery anywhere in North America.
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Just to add a bit of clarification - the US ridding itself of the confederate plague was not responsible for ridding all of North America of slavery... Did you mean the remaining bits of North America? Canada had already moved on that front.

It is difficult to say Canada never reached the slaveholding excesses of the United States; while the economy here was never as dependent on slavery, what does that matter to you if your freedom is denied? It is a despicable institution even if it is only applied to one person.

However, legislation began phasing out slavery in 1793, and the Imperial Parliament got rid of it entirely in 1834. This was a generation or two ahead of developments in many parts of the States which culminated in the US Civil War.

Though I think the law in Canada deserves praise for not requiring a civil war to settle an obvious question of human rights, Canadian history is not without its failures. It was only 10 years before Rosa Parks made her contribution to history that Viola Desmond was dealing with the same crap at a movie theatre here in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Desmond
 
KalEilde said:
Are you good at arts & crafts? I think a nice window diorama depicting the burning of Atlanta might be just the thing.

Can you mount speakers on the outside of the window? Listening to The Battle Hymn Of The Republic is always a great way to end the day.
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hahahahaahahahahahaahaha! nice.
 
reone said:
That's funny is a very twisted way. Even down here where I live I don't see them very often at all. I dislike seeing them, so I guess that's a good thing. People definitely display them in the South still, but I personally can't remember the last time I saw one.
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Maybe because in the actual South they've learned that they can't get away with dumb excuses any more? And this redneck in New York State hasn't learned...well, anything. Stupid dumbass.
 
I fully support your right to fly the Confederate flag...as long as it's this one

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