Native American PWNS immigration protest

[Benvolio]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Give us the specific language that creates this nightmare scenario for you, or give us the legal cites as I have asked for ....or stop flinging every thing you can get your mitts on to support your spurious claims and specious arguments.

Prove your claim or be silent.

At least you have brought your argument back to the real crux of the matter for you......the possibility that non white males might get preference over a white male. No bullshit about protecting the blacks or women.

...god help us all who bother to read your byzantine rants.

Here is a subsection of Dodd Frank Section 342(c)(1) requiring the hiring of women and minorities to the "maximum extent possible" which of course results in avoiding white males to the "maximum extent possible".

"(c) Inclusion in All Levels of Business Activities.--
(1) In general.--
The <<NOTE: Standards. Procedures.>> Director of each Office
shall develop and implement standards and procedures to ensure,
to the maximum extent possible, the fair inclusion and
utilization of minorities, women, and minority-owned and women-
owned businesses in all business and activities of the agency at
all levels, including in procurement, insurance, and all types
of contracts.
(2) Contracts.--The procedures established by each agency
for review and evaluation of contract proposals and for hiring
service providers shall include, to the extent consistent with
applicable law, a component that gives consideration to the
diversity of the applicant. Such procedure shall include a
written statement, in a form and with such content as the
Director shall prescribe, that a contractor shall ensure, to the
maximum extent possible, the fair inclusion of women and
minorities in the workforce of the contractor and, as
applicable, subcontractors."

 

[Nemothepanda]

Here is a subsection of Dodd Frank Section 342(c)(1) requiring the hiring of women and minorities to the "maximum extent possible" which of course results in avoiding white males to the "maximum extent possible".

"(c) Inclusion in All Levels of Business Activities.--
(1) In general.--
The <<NOTE: Standards. Procedures.>> Director of each Office
shall develop and implement standards and procedures to ensure,
to the maximum extent possible, the fair inclusion and
utilization of minorities, women, and minority-owned and women-
owned businesses in all business and activities of the agency at
all levels, including in procurement, insurance, and all types
of contracts.
(2) Contracts.--The procedures established by each agency
for review and evaluation of contract proposals and for hiring
service providers shall include, to the extent consistent with
applicable law, a component that gives consideration to the
diversity of the applicant. Such procedure shall include a
written statement, in a form and with such content as the
Director shall prescribe, that a contractor shall ensure, to the
maximum extent possible, the fair inclusion of women and
minorities in the workforce of the contractor and, as
applicable, subcontractors."

All that regulation says is that minorities should be considered and accepted at every level. It doesn't say anything about intentionally excluding white men.

 

[rareboy]

^ No it doesn't. But the Stromfront Coffee Klatsch (oops, probably shouldn't use yiddish) girls have their panties in a tight twist reading things into the wording of Dodd Frank that simply do not exist and which have not presented any obstacle to a white man being considered equally for the same position as one of those scary brown people.

What AA and Dodd Frank are getting at, is that in the white male dominated world....and it is; make no mistake about it, there should be fairness and consideration given to the hiring of minorities and women.

Where the fuck the Benvolio's of this world come up with their paranoid and frankly fallacious interpretations of these clauses is baffling to the extreme. But I think that it clearly proves that it is only a red herring in this thread. It has no direct or even indirect relevance to the topis.

If BV wants to have at Dodd Frank and Affirmative Action, then a separate thread would be in order.

 

[Benvolio]

All that regulation says is that minorities should be considered and accepted at every level. It doesn't say anything about intentionally excluding white men.

You dishonestly left out the words "to the maximum extent possible", hiring women and minorities.Which requires exclusion of white males, to the maximum extent possible.

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All that regulation says is that minorities should be considered and accepted at every level. It doesn't say anything about intentionally excluding white men.

You dishonestly left out the words "to the maximum extent possible", hiring women and minorities.Which requires exclusion of white males, to the maximum extent possible.

 

[Rolyo85]

You know, as a white male myself, I feel no sympathy for those hypothetical white males that didn't get hired because somebody picked a brown boy or - gasp! - a woman over them. Fuck it, white men have been a privileged elite for nearly 2000 years. Let's see how they fare without unfair advantages.

 

[Benvolio]

You know, as a white male myself, I feel no sympathy for those hypothetical white males that didn't get hired because somebody picked a brown boy or - gasp! - a woman over them. Fuck it, white men have been a privileged elite for nearly 2000 years. Let's see how they fare without unfair advantages.

You don't understand. The statute requires the exclusion of white males.

 

[Rolyo85]

You don't understand. The statute requires the exclusion of white males.

Sounds like it sucks to be a white male then. What goes around does ultimately come around, and the pendulum of history stands still for no Benvolio.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

You don't understand. The statute requires the exclusion of white males.

Benny is totally right, guys. I looked at the Dodd-Frank bill with a microscope, and it says "FUCK WHITEY!" in very small print.

 

[Rolyo85]

Benny is totally right, guys. I looked at the Dodd-Frank bill with a microscope, and it says "FUCK WHITEY!" in very small print.

It's a good thing really. I often do it myself.

 

[Nemothepanda]

You dishonestly left out the words "to the maximum extent possible", hiring women and minorities.Which requires exclusion of white males, to the maximum extent possible.

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You dishonestly left out the words "to the maximum extent possible", hiring women and minorities.Which requires exclusion of white males, to the maximum extent possible.

Maximum extent as in to the point where the field isn't dominated by just one demographic or two. The fact that said demographic refers to white males is because they're the majority...hence why the other groups are called minorities because they get minority representation most of the time and are at the greatest risked on being disfranchised.

 

[Benvolio]

Maximum extent as in to the point where the field isn't dominated by just one demographic or two. The fact that said demographic refers to white males is because they're the majority...hence why the other groups are called minorities because they get minority representation most of the time and are at the greatest risked on being disfranchised.

Ironically, most if the jobs the minorities want are created by white males, and their beloveted welfare comes from the taxes of white males. They not only bite the hand that feeds them,but they want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

 

[TX-Beau]

Well if all those white males are paying taxes and creating jobs, they can't be unemployed now can they!!!!!

YAY! Problem solved.

 

[bankside]

You know, as a white male myself, I feel no sympathy for those hypothetical white males that didn't get hired because somebody picked a brown boy or - gasp! - a woman over them. Fuck it, white men have been a privileged elite for nearly 2000 years. Let's see how they fare without unfair advantages.

That's really a lot of fallacy in just one post.

Throughout history, we have had an elitist society. That you might have been just as white as the Christian kings, popes, and emperors of Europe was absolutely no protection against being exploited by the elite.

It ultimately just isn't fair to deny a white guy the same chance at a job today just because George Wallace happened to be white. The only thing we need to do to undo the legacy of racism is hire people on their merits.

 

[bankside]

Ironically, most if the jobs the minorities want are created by white males, and their beloveted welfare comes from the taxes of white males. They not only bite the hand that feeds them,but they want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

And that's a pile of subservience we can do without. Again your economics are on shaky ground. Actually your economics are on Lake Chebarkul I think. Employees are not servants. Their efforts are worth as much as the money parted with when the owner of a business pays their salary. It is absolutely an exchange of equals. And the owner of a business should be just as careful to treat the workers as the goose that lays the golden egg.

Do you actually read things written by economists?

 

[rareboy]

C'mon Benvolio.

It has been clearly demonstrated that you've just pulled this out of your ass and that it has neither relevance to the topic nor is it even true?

Is this what has been keeping you up nights?

The mistaken belief that brown boys are whuppin' the asses of their white masters?

As I said, I'm delighted that at last your angry racism surfaces...the real reason why you hate immigration and any possibility of a coloured person getting a job.

So welfare for coloured people comes only form the taxes of the hard working white males? Is that what you have all convinced yourselves of over there at SF?

Do you realize how ridiculous you look to all of us at this moment? Do you?

Has it ever occurred to you that if the US mandated the payment of a minimum wage that would actually allow people to pay for food and shelter that there would be an incentive to work...and that the taxpayer at large wouldn't be having to supplement with food stamps etc.? Does it ever occur to you that the only reason that the US is in the position it is today is that the taxpayer once again is deeply subsidizing the bottom line of multi-national corporations who can keep their wages below poverty line levels because the taxpayer will have to pick up the slack.

You go round and round and round....always blaming the wrong people and the wrong things for the trouble. Start with the idea of everyone paying a fair price for a product and service, including the labour. You'f be amazed at how prosperous you all might become.

 

[TX-Beau]

That's really a lot of fallacy in just one post.

Throughout history, we have had an elitist society. That you might have been just as white as the Christian kings, popes, and emperors of Europe was absolutely no protection against being exploited by the elite.

It ultimately just isn't fair to deny a white guy the same chance at a job today just because George Wallace happened to be white. The only thing we need to do to undo the legacy of racism is hire people on their merits.

Sure, but white men have been "exploited" a hell of a lot less than anyone else now haven't they. Since white men STILL benefit from the racial (and gender) assumptions baggage of western culture, I can see the point. You just reduced the argument to the same simplistic terms Rolyo did, and not so charmingly!

It isn't fair is a pointless thing to say. People make decisions fair or not about hiring all the damn time - it isn't fair for the nephew of your buddy to get that job just because either - it isn't fair that they gave that promotion to the guy with the family even though you had better numbers, such is life.

 

[TX-Beau]

...As I said, I'm delighted that at last your angry racism surfaces...the real reason why you hate immigration and any possibility of a coloured person getting a job...

At Last???????

 

[xbuzzerx]

You don't understand. The statute requires the exclusion of white males.

First off Benvolio your nightmare interpretation of these policies has already been handily debunked by everyone else here, very well. So there's no need for me to say anything about that.

Second off, in what parallel universe do you live in where white males in this country earn less and have less access to good jobs than every non-white-male group?

This is like yelling murder with no body or yelling rape with no victim.

 

[Benvolio]

First off Benvolio your nightmare interpretation of these policies has already been handily debunked by everyone else here, very well. So there's no need for me to say anything about that.

Second off, in what parallel universe do you live in where white males in this country earn less and have less access to good jobs than every non-white-male group?

This is like yelling murder with no body or yelling rape with no victim.

Nothing has been debunked. The others, like you, can only make personal attacks.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Nothing has been debunked. The others, like you, can only make personal attacks.

Actually nothing in my post attacked you at all. So now you're just sidestepping the points.