Nearly 80 Percent Of Spanish Youth Support Gay Marriage

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Nearly 80 Percent Of Spanish Youth Support Gay Marriage

http://ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=8387&MediaType=1&Category=24

 

[oakpope]

More than 70% in France, but contrary to Spain, same sex marriage is not legal in France
(52% overall population in favor and +/- 35 against, if I remember correctly).
In a hundred years, the global government will have established it everywhere on Earth, and only gay people will be on the government, because they are just better than straight
A dream ? Not ! A vision !

 

[EwanSF]

Yup, I like the Spanish. They are a pretty progressive people, in spite of the catholic churches best efforts to drag them back down into the ignorant mental squaller that they insist upon. I suppose there's still a bit of resentment for the whole institution there, being as catholic dogma was brutally rammed down their throats by the state for so long.

 

[EwanSF]

The pope really does need to mind his own fucking business. Unfortunately, his deffinition of "his business" is everyone elses business.

 

[stevexxx]

Spanish meaning Spaniard? because i do not support that gay marriage.

 

[scream4ever]

Rajoy has greatly backed off from what he said before. He now says he would "see how the constitutional court rules on the constitutionality of the law, and see what the people have to say".

 

[EwanSF]

Spanish meaning Spaniard? because i do not support that gay marriage.

Lemme see, you're straight, but you don't think I should have the same rights as you? Go fuck yourself.

 

[oakpope]

Lemme see, you're straight, but you don't think I should have the same rights as you? Go fuck yourself.

Why the need to antagonize and tell name on someone whom you disagree with ? I find more interesting to question him, know what he truly meant with his statement, discuss it with him and if I have points to make to perhaps change his mind, politely tell him.

You go "Go fuck yourself" everytime someone disagree with you ? (and I'm strongly in favor of same-sex marriage - or same civil unions for everyone with exact same benefits if you prefer a non religious connotation).

 

[stevexxx]

Lemme see, you're straight, but you don't think I should have the same rights as you? Go fuck yourself.

hear me out. i don't believe that marriage should be in the hands of government. i mean who the hell is government telling me "you are officially married". i don't believe government should have a right to determine what a marriage is and isn't.
Hopefully the gay community sees it like how i do. I mean marriage should be more societal and not in the hands of the government. so i would just get rid of the institution of marriage from the government.

 

[oakpope]

hear me out. i don't believe that marriage should be in the hands of government. i mean who the hell is government telling me "you are officially married". i don't believe government should have a right to determine what a marriage is and isn't.
Hopefully the gay community sees it like how i do. I mean marriage should be more societal and not in the hands of the government. so i would just get rid of the institution of marriage from the government.

Amazing how governement's views can be different by countries.
In France people are very happy that it is the government that "marries" people, for fear that a religion could take power in the society (it is illegal for a clergyman to marry spouses who are not married before by a civil servant _ often the mayor). It is viewed as an important part of secularism.

 

[belamyi]

I doubt it. He knows 65% of the Spanish voters support the law.

And 95% were agaisnt Spain getting involved in the invasion of Iraq, so what.
Spain doesn't work according to public opinion, as in the USA: basically, every four years a governement is given the opportunity to do what they please; if it suits you, good, if not, keep waiting for the right term.
Basically, there are two Spains, and then there is the joker card of the Catalan nationalistic (conservative) party, who has kept its influence and has even become the third national force, thanks to the dwindling results of the communists. This may seem an oversimplification SAID like that, but those who may reproach me for that should listen their constant, daily oversimplifications when defending their agendas and attacking the opponent.

 

[TheFireGod]

Good for them, now if only they export that to my country (a former colony of Spain) instead of their language. That not even <1% can speak, and most of that , <1% is a creole tongue.

hear me out. i don't believe that marriage should be in the hands of government. i mean who the hell is government telling me "you are officially married". i don't believe government should have a right to determine what a marriage is and isn't.
Hopefully the gay community sees it like how i do. I mean marriage should be more societal and not in the hands of the government. so i would just get rid of the institution of marriage from the government.

Spanish meaning Spaniard? because i do not support that gay marriage.

Well you said gay marriage not the general term, marriage.

 

[belamyi]

I myself am not oversimplifying anything. The system is different in Spain then it is in the United States. I'm attacking Rajoy on key issues, and he's clearly out of touch with most of Spain...

I was referring to the possible objections of Spaniards supposedly willing to "enlighten" people with THEIR truths, who wouldn't fit what I exposed above, and who would state that being career liars qualifies them for the exercise of politics and law, and that people are only "decent" (own words of Rajoy) , good and right as long as their views support their own.
Most of Spain is out of touch with the whole world (just as much of thr world is out of touch of the rest of the world) www.abc.es would report about polls showing the ignorance of youths regarding democracy and the political life, who are potential opposers to the right, but won't say anything about the VERY SAME ignorance of people over 50, who were brainwashed by the Franco regime and are more likely to legitimize their backward agenda.

The problem of Spain, including Catalonia, the reason why I'd rather live in the USA or Australia, is that Spain have wonderful opportunities that in eras like the present one (coming to an end) can bloom, but that lack the solid basis and the impulse of a general and constant vision to support and drive it into the future.
None of the fundamental facts that are happening and WILL happen will surprise me, and I only can hope that I will find a better place or, at least, a position that won't affect me from a politically-motivated perspective.

 

[stevexxx]

Well you said gay marriage not the general term, marriage.[/QUOTE]

it's not what i say it's what i mean

 

[oakpope]

a position that won't affect me from a politically-motivated perspective.

That could very well be very difficult to find I'm afraid.

 

[belamyi]

That could very well be very difficult to find I'm afraid.

That was my point I am bashed in message boards and people outside them get scared of me go figure what could I expect

 

[oakpope]

Come to Paris, I will try my best not to be scared

 

[belamyi]

Can you make your point or is it that difficult? I believe the PSOE will not be as easily dismissed as certain polls say. I think the PP has a lot more problems then people want to think. People make fun of Zapatero all the time, but Rajoy is a bigger target of jokes.

The PP is a fractured mess backing one weak candidate, Rajoy... the PP would be in better shape if they had a better candidate. I'm not saying I liked Aznar... no way did I... but he was much better than Rajoy when campaigning.

As far as those over 50, you have a point... but even many older people have shifted their mindset... like my mom. She's 54. She grew up under the Franco regime during the 60s and 70s... towards the end... many people wanted to see a major shift. When that regime fell, there was a very dramatic shift. My mom is more to the left then me!! And that's not UNCOMMON. Many of my relatives (who are in their 50s) make me look moderate...

Don't compare Spain to the US. I'll tell you even the most conservative people in Spain look liberal compared to social conservatives in this country. It's disturbing.

I hope if that putz Rajoy wins, he doesn't change the law. He may just be trying to grandstand.

Most people in Spain think there is nothing wrong with two men or women marrying.



You don't want to live in the US. Trust me. Australia sounds decent enough. But you don't want to live in this country. Unemployment is a problem in Spain, but it's an understated problem here in the US. The government manipulates data to skew unemployment figures, and the workers have no rights because of the low level of unionization... but this is another topic for another time.

People won't vote Rajoy, but rather the PP, but more exactly they will vote AGAINST the PSOE (I always vote against the fascists in democrat clothing of the PP, not for the socialists) or simply abstain: that's how it works to the -nth degree in Spain, that is, not just like it may happen anywhere else.
People, even less older people don't EVER change: they either fill up a previous void in their minds or suck up to a new reality they can't change or that they current situation doesn't allow them to change.
As for conservatism, the difference is not actually the degree, as you say, but the structures and back up those ideas.
The same qualities and institutions that shape America for the best also can be used for the worse while, as I pointed above, the lack of those foundations that distinguish a big power, no matter what their values, are what are lacking in Spain for fostering the good just like for perpetuating the bad. That's why the country changes so dramatically in just a couple of decades, like from 1934 to 1964 or from 1975 to 2005, and why this country is all about doing and undoing, even if sometimes with the best of intentions.
Compared with that, other hells look just like purgatories.

You don't want to live in the US. Trust me. Australia sounds decent enough. But you don't want to live in this country. Unemployment is a problem in Spain, but it's an understated problem here in the US. The government manipulates data to skew unemployment figures, and the workers have no rights because of the low level of unionization... but this is another topic for another time.

That's not news to me, and that is not something specifically related to the USA: at any rate, the globality of that phenomenon may have spread [private joke/dedicated to alfie/ end of private joke] from the USA but, again, it's by no means reduced or mainly located there... just like the debt problem is not, as a mere problem of debt and credibility, any less a BIG accident waiting to happen in the USA or Italy or Spain as happened in Greece, Ireland or Portugal... obviously, the consequences won't be the same.
Besides, I don't want a job, anyone can get that anywhere.
I one to develop and establish my life and my career in my own terms as far as that will be possible. That's why I always think of countries like those.

 

[oakpope]

When are the spanish elections planned please ?

 

[oakpope]

I one to develop and establish my life and my career in my own terms as far as that will be possible. That's why I always think of countries like those.

You give me the impression that you are very hard on yourself, I wonder why that may be ?