New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

[Kulindahr]

potential threat should mean actually physically meeting at least one member of these various groups , and not having done that I would suggest feeling threatened by the mere existence of these groups is probably excessive .

When they openly espouse the violent overthrow of the government and its replacement with tyranny?

 

[Kulindahr]

"the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement "

WOW, I live in the South and I do not know of a single White Supremacy Movement nor have I heard rumors of one. The Klan is dead, and never was as big of a threat as they got credit for, certainly not since the 60's. Anti Federalist Movement, haven't heard of that one either other than every one complains about the government. Some justified, like the $220,000 bathroom renavation for the Interior Secretary. Christian fundamentalist, yes we do have some of them but I don't think it is a movement. Just individual Church's and I don't know of any of them forming armed groups or picking targets. Most of them have less than 30 members counting women and kids. The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.

The study was comissioned by Homeland Security, sounds like the Think Tank gave them what they wanted to hear. I would think that if there was substance to this the air waves would be blaring the fact from investivagitive journalists on every network. I have heard nothing about this from the news or the talking heads.

Either it is exagerated or I've been living under a rock the past few years. I noticed the study did not reference one single event that these groups are supposed to be responsible for. MHO

The Klan is not dead. If nowhere else, it's alive in the south end of my county, where there haven't been any non-white residents ever for more than a few months -- they are "discouraged" from living there, and quite effectively so.

Many fundamentalist churches have hundreds and even thousands of members -- per church, not across the nation. And with the militaristic rhetoric of the leaders, it wouldn't be hard to turn hundreds of thousands of those members into armed bands -- since most are armed anyway.

 

[csb999]

Prevention vs. Innocent until proven guilty . You are not a criminal until you've committed a crime . And a malicious lunatic with a web-page is just a malicious lunatic with a web-page . Intentions are nothing , and you should not defend yourself against the malicious and perfectly innocent .

 

[Just_Believe18]

"the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement "

WOW, I live in the South and I do not know of a single White Supremacy Movement nor have I heard rumors of one. The Klan is dead, and never was as big of a threat as they got credit for, certainly not since the 60's. Anti Federalist Movement, haven't heard of that one either other than every one complains about the government. Some justified, like the $220,000 bathroom renavation for the Interior Secretary. Christian fundamentalist, yes we do have some of them but I don't think it is a movement. Just individual Church's and I don't know of any of them forming armed groups or picking targets. Most of them have less than 30 members counting women and kids. The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.

The study was comissioned by Homeland Security, sounds like the Think Tank gave them what they wanted to hear. I would think that if there was substance to this the air waves would be blaring the fact from investivagitive journalists on every network. I have heard nothing about this from the news or the talking heads.

Either it is exagerated or I've been living under a rock the past few years. I noticed the study did not reference one single event that these groups are supposed to be responsible for. MHO

Well, clearly you've never been to Jefferson Davis' retirement home in Mississippi where, after the museum tour, I can visit the gift shop and buy a Confederate beach towel for 14.99, or a special print edition of Little Black Sambo.

 

[Rolyo85]

And yet you and others on the left oppose the best remedy against them: arming the people.

Maybe because we don't believe that is the best remedy, but actually the worst? Those aren't a differently colored folks, or wearing some sort of uniform, or self-identifying in other obvious ways.

They ARE the people.

So no, the best remedy is not to arm them, thank you very much.

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Prevention vs. Innocent until proven guilty . You are not a criminal until you've committed a crime . And a malicious lunatic with a web-page is just a malicious lunatic with a web-page . Intentions are nothing , and you should not defend yourself against the malicious and perfectly innocent .

Um, that is incorrect actually. Intentions count for a lot, and crime prevention does exist for a reason.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Prevention vs. Innocent until proven guilty . You are not a criminal until you've committed a crime . And a malicious lunatic with a web-page is just a malicious lunatic with a web-page . Intentions are nothing , and you should not defend yourself against the malicious and perfectly innocent .

So it's okay to plan a terrorist attack, until the day you carry it out?

 

[csb999]

Paranoia , oppressing and sometimes killing the irrelevant and the innocent in the search for a threat is a very common event in American history . Communist infiltration , more than a few people could not cross the border because they advocated " the violent overthrow of the government" .

 

[csb999]

So it's okay to plan a terrorist attack, until the day you carry it out? YES isn't it ?

 

[Rolyo85]

Not according to the law. If proof exists of malicious intent, then the law can step in. Sorry if it's different on your planet.

 

[csb999]

Prevention of crime is irrational and absurd . Intending to commit a crime is not a crime . Innocent until proven guilty might still mean something

 

[xbuzzerx]

Prevention of crime is irrational and absurd . Intending to commit a crime is not a crime . Innocent until proven guilty might still mean something

I'm sorry-- you're wrong.

Watch "to catch a predator" if you think intending to commit a crime is not a crime.

 

[csb999]

"malicious intent" since when has that been a punishable convictable crime ? habeus corpus ?

 

[csb999]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/catch-predator/
forum here states that you must have at least begun a criminal act .

 

[Stardreamer]

There is nothing really new or original about this report, I was Anti-Terrorism Training officer for my last command before I retired and still have to take the training in my current job. Both the ATO and Equal Opportunity office training have been highlighting these groups for over a decade at least.

 

[xbuzzerx]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/catch-predator/
forum here states that you must have at least begun a criminal act .

The only person who has even brought up criminal convictions is you.

Keeping track of potentially dangerous homegrown terrorism influences is not the same thing as locking up every single person involved with these groups on no charge.

 

[csb999]

forum quote " What you need for a crime is just two things, called mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind", means the intent to do the crime) and actus reus (Latin for "guilty act", meaning they have undertaken action to set the crime in motion). " Intention alone is not enough . NOT completion of the crime .

 

[xbuzzerx]

forum quote " What you need for a crime is just two things, called mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind", means the intent to do the crime) and actus reus (Latin for "guilty act", meaning they have undertaken action to set the crime in motion). " Intention alone is not enough . NOT completion of the crime .

You are the only person talking about crime or filing a criminal charge in a courtroom. I'm waiting for you to absorb that.

 

[csb999]

what I am saying is that this is one current example of a very very long well-documented history of American paranoia .

 

[csb999]

I give you , I have not read the report . BUT the US does have the largest prison system in the world with 10% of your population incarcerated at any one point . Either the US is a lot more essentially criminal than the rest of the world or this is indicative of some attitude . To be kind I will attribute it to attitude .

 

[xbuzzerx]

what I am saying is that this is one current example of a very very long well-documented history of American paranoia .

American paranoia is thinking that anyone with tan skin is a threat to you even if they're a disarmed third world country with no substantial link to terrorism.

Not thinking that the sort of fringe extremist groups that prompted things like Timothy McVeigh to blow up a federal building or a guy to shoot Congresswoman Gifford in the head in front of a supermarket are dangerous.