On-Topic Newsweek: Hit the Road Barack

[CowboyBob]

I'm glad you took my advice with chrisrobin's pic. You liked it enough to copy it. Which thread in hot pics was that?

To each his own I guess.....

But we're still tired of all your non-stop Obama bashing marathon.

 

[Jack Springer]

^^^

What about responding with a sensible comment instead of personally bashing everyone you don't agree with?

 

[BostonPirate]

The debt comes from the Bush tax cuts and the Bush wars which were always payed for with off budget spending bills. An off buget spending bill is a way for congress to tell the fed to sell t bills with an expiration date to pay for the stuff they demand be payed for.

The treasury has no choice but to oblige the congress once it legislates in this way. It just has to come up with the cash.

so lets be frank.. the GOP used cloture on the Bush tax cuts to get it through congress, and that means that the bill had an automatic ten year self destruct. That one was planted by bush from the get go.

The War was flagrant borrowing without any concern that it would have to once again, be paid back with interest five years later.

So the debt continues to bloat as tbills and bonds merrily pass back and forth, with the banks taking a healthy skim off of each transaction.

Why am I saying all of this? Because saying that the president of the USA caused the debt to balloon by four trillion is a lie. It is a lie repeated often enough that it is never questioned.

It's still a lie. It's an easy lie because the truth is more complicated than people are interested in hearing about. IF you want to fix something, you first need to be informed as to what is really broken.

 

[chance1]

^ LOL - 2 years of the holy trinity - Presidency + Congress + Senate

two years to cut spending - get the house in order

nah !!!

Obamacare

nice try

entitlements will never be addressed as talking str8 with the american people might lead to less votes

can't have that

and so it goes

 

[BostonPirate]

another lie. Kennedy only came out once to vote, and that was for the affordable care act. Before then there was a certain contested seat thanks to blago the clown.

The President never had the magic 60, and the GOP in the senate even filibustered low level appointments within his cabinet....from the very beginning. Kennedy died, and brown took the seat.

Tell me what dates the president had this pretend supermajority?

And while you're at it, justify the obscene use of the filibuster because he did not have the magic 60, even though constitutionally you only need a simple majority. Tell me why its ok to subvert the constitution through the abuse of congress's rules of order.

Two year of fighting hard to get just ONE GOP member to peel away to get something done, and you know what happened to those people? Snowe, Leiberman, Hatch? They were unseated and derided as rinos.

Do ya think I didn't live through this stuff? Does anyone even remember the truth anymore? are we all so stuck in the mire of proving our ideas instead of making decisions based on information that the truth has become useless?

 

[Benvolio]

Democrat use the filibuster when Republicans have the majority. The majority can abolish the filibuster if the do it the first day of the session--see Wikipedia. But both parties are reluctant to end it because the worm will turn some day. If the Republicans get the Senate, House and Pres this year, I think they will end the filibuster. Without dong so they probably cannot end Obamacare.

 

[GhostMost]

This is the cold truth that every economist knows.... until we put just a little bit more money in the pockets of the people who live check to check, there will be no further growth. Those are the people that HAVE to spend extra money IF they get it. One of the reasons the debt is rising unexpectedly is because there are not as many tax payers participating in the system, from top to bottom, and when the politicians get brave enough to grapple with that reality, we will get somewhere.

It can't happen by way of cuts in gov't services, because that means less jobs, and we can't do it with tax cuts because we already spend more than we take in.

Tax the upper class at a higher rate, or at least make them pay what they owe in real terms, and add back the jobs in the public sector. Rebuild the nations infrastructure that the wealthy use to run their companies on, like roads and the power grid.

Raise Social Security payroll tax contributions to covered earnings of $250,000 or more and it remains solvent for 75 years. Done. Why is it even discussed anymore???

there is a simple fix, and the politicians are too cowardly to say what it is. No grudge fuck news piece in a second rate slag mag about to go out of business is going to change the truth.

If we had simply left the Clinton tax rates stay, at the end of 2013 we would have paid off the entire debt and the entire crash would not have happened.

I just can't man, omg this is insane to me, you know what you're saying right?
The government isn't the top source for jobs you do know that? Why can't the rich just get out of this country? That will open some eyes.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is worth repeating:

If we had simply left the Clinton tax rates stay, at the end of 2013 we would have paid off the entire debt and the entire crash would not have happened.

Real conservatives don't upset a plan that will pay debts. Real conservatives look forward to being debt-free.

Republicans aren't conservatives. They're like the little kids who steal money from Mom's change jar... and blame their sister.

 

[Kulindahr]

I just can't man, omg this is insane to me, you know what you're saying right?
The government isn't the top source for jobs you do know that? Why can't the rich just get out of this country? That will open some eyes.

I re-read Boston's post and yours six times, and I still can't figure out what you're trying to say, or what it has to do with Boston's post that you quoted.

 

[Benvolio]

This is worth repeating:



Real conservatives don't upset a plan that will pay debts. Real conservatives look forward to being debt-free.

Republicans aren't conservatives. They're like the little kids who steal money from Mom's change jar... and blame their sister.

You forget. The economy was in decline the last year of Clinton. Then 9/11 and the economy took a sharp drop. The Bush tax cuts turned it around and we had prosperity and high employment for 5 years until the disaster of Nov 2006. Bush gets blamed for the fall, but what he did was give years of prosperity when people bought homes and prices went up. Was it his fault that people bought homes who could not afford them or was it the fault of the laws requiring loans to poor.