Newt Gingrich- The last man standing

[maxpowr9]

plus in the debates he's toned down the angry ....

more likeable

as i said in an earlier post (u should pay more attention fellas)

Newt is wicked smaaaaaart (picture Boston P saying it for effect)

I see how it is chance. You'll have blue balls tonight for that comment about Bostonians.

The problem with both Newt and Romney is that while some of them have good things for them, their negatives (according to the republican party) outweigh the good.

If Romney does get the nod, I am sure the Boston Globe will start doing some research on him to dig up more skeletons.

 

[chance1]

I see how it is chance. You'll have blue balls tonight for that comment about Bostonians.

The problem with both Newt and Romney is that while some of them have good things for them, their negatives (according to the republican party) outweigh the good.

If Romney does get the nod, I am sure the Boston Globe will start doing some research on him to dig up more skeletons.

the "wicked smaaaart" is from good will hunting

ben affleck character describing matt damon character

with obama's warchest - 70 million in 3Q'11 alone (and that was down)

the negative ads will be 24/7

what a country

romney's "negatives" are simple - he has morphed 2 many x on 2 many issues

BUT .............. not sure that's fatal if the economy still blows

Gingrich issues are OLD - not sure they're relevant anymore

and i think in a debate ............. he makes the conservative argument well

as does paul ryan

as does marco rubio

as does mitch daniels

 

[MystikWizard]

Newt is like a vulture, just flying around waiting for his chance to swoop in because he can't get the job done himself. He won't be the nominee, barring any major fuckups by Mitt-sey, it will be him, the others are just sideshow attractions.

You are unfortunately delusional in not understanding the mindset of the Christian Right. They will conveniently forgive and forget the issues of the past ... and nominate an unfaithful Christian before they nominate a Mormon Leftist, Pro-Choice, "say anything to get elected" RINO, who poses as a Republican while mandating Universal Healthcare for those in his state ... and someone who falls flat on his face when it comes to his record.

What will transpire with Gingrich's nomination will be nothing short of utter Christian "family values" hypocrisy on full display. But mark my words, it will happen.

 

[Centexfarmer]

you're vastly overestimating the Christian Right's influence in the GOP primaries. Romney can win without them, and unless a viable third party candidate emerges in the general election, they'll fall in line to vote against Obama.

I'd be inclined to agree with your assessment here, but then the question would become whether Romney would be able to attract "moderates" and "independents" to win the election in November?

We already know that Obama and the Democrats are going to paint Mitt as a "flip-flopping/waffler."

 

[MystikWizard]

you're vastly overestimating the Christian Right's influence in the GOP primaries. Romney can win without them, and unless a viable third party candidate emerges in the general election, they'll fall in line to vote against Obama.

I really don't think I am overestimating the Christian Right's influence ... not to mention the Tea Party influence, as well, which we haven't mentioned ... who is also undeniably against Romney.

Romney has so much going against him, it isn't even funny.

Undoubtedly they will fall in line and vote for him in the General Election if he would happen to pull off a miracle and capture the nomination. I just don't see Romney even making it to the General Election ... for the exact same reasons he didn't make it the last time when he was the "Front Runner".

 

[CowboyBob]

I'd be inclined to agree with your assessment here, but then the question would become whether Romney would be able to attract "moderates" and "independents" to win the election in November?

We already know that Obama and the Democrats are going to paint Mitt as a "flip-flopping/waffler."

Mitt "flip flops"...? Does that mean he's versatile or bi?

 

[Just_Believe18]

It's amazing how much the Republicans don't want Mitt Romney... they've gone back to the old pervert...

I wouldn't be surprised anymore if Santorum gets a double-digit lead in the polls against Romney at this rate. This primary is so embarrassing for the Republican party.

 

[MystikWizard]

John McCain wasn't the Evangelical candidate in 2008, that would have been Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee -- how'd they do when mainstream voters actually came out to the polls?

to be sure, the Evangelical conservatives wield an outsized influence in some early states (notably Iowa and South Carolina), but a Republican candidate can win easily by dismissing those and winning New Hampshire, Florida, the western states (where Mormons can yield an outsized influence of their own), and the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast.

Whereas Huckabee didn't capture the nomination, he also had his own baggage working against him. Not only did he pardon a serial rapist, who went on to rape again, he was also known as "Tax Hike Mike" for raising taxes in the state of Arkansas. In addition, he was weak on Immigration.

Whereas he was an Evangelical candidate, his own baggage, plus what I feel was running exclusively on a religious platform (much like Giuliani ran on a 9/11 platform) was found to be somewhat insulting to voters.

Huckabee also had no prior name recognition before this race. Gingrich most definitely does.

As far as Thompson goes, he ran a horrible campaign and is someone who I would draw similarities to Rick Perry at this point in time. Thompson was clearly unmotivated and did not want the Presidency, much like Perry. The Christian Right is not going to vote for someone who isn't motivated enough to want the Presidency.

It isn't so much that you should be focusing on who the Christian Right WILL nominate ... but rather who the Christian Right WON'T nominate. And they most definitely will not nominate a Mormon. It isn't going to happen. That religion goes against their basic religious beliefs and is not something they will look the other way on.

When Mainstream voters came out to the polls, as you asked, how did Front Runner Mitt Romney do last time? Secondly, why do you think it's going to be any different this time than last time when they didn't want him?

We are entering an age where voters, in general, are getting sick and tired of being told who they should be voting for. Whether it is the media telling them, or the polls (which I find highly questionable in who the polling sample is made up of), or who is given the most debate time in the primary debates .... people are getting sick and tired of that type of thing.

Republican voters were essentially told you had to pick either Rudy or Mitt last time ... and they did not. Democrat voters were essentially told that Hillary was going to be the nominee last time from the get-go ... and they balked at it ... and wanted someone new. She did not become the nominee. That is something to be keenly aware of going forward with all future elections.

 

[cocksucker4use]

While I agree with some here that the American public has a short memory, it is important to recall why Newt left political office before. He was very controversial. Was up to his neck in charges of ethics violations, and finally quit because he even saw himself as a polarizing distraction from the business of Congress.

Also, he and his latest wife have to get their act together to retain a campaign staff, as its getting pretty late to have any more walk outs due to her involvement in the process.

 

[pai mei]

newt will not be the republican nomination.


anything else is a delusion.

 

[Soilwork]

I'm going to grab the toaster, sit in the bath and wait for the power to come back on.

 

[Just_Believe18]

^ Holyshit! You're back.

 

[Soilwork]

^ Holyshit! You're back.

Yeah and I no longer have a boss who'll get bitchy letters about what an asshole I am when I dress someone down.

 

[MystikWizard]

newt will not be the republican nomination.


anything else is a delusion.

Prepare to see Hell freeze over. I already have a $50 bet that "Romney will not be the nominee" with Hotatlboi on here. You are welcome to get in on the betting, as well.

I still have not heard an answer to this question ...

"If Romney was the Front Runner in 2008 and did not receive the nomination ... due to all of the reasons we discussed earlier, then why do you think the Republican voters are going to vote for him this time?"

Nothing has changed. He is still too Liberal for them to tolerate and as has been talked about at great length ... he is a Mormon. The Christian Right will not allow a Mormon to be their nominee. It isn't an option for them.

EDIT: I see you are from Canada. Things aren't like you think they are down here, in particular, the Bible Belt.

 

[maxpowr9]

History shows that dethroning the incumbent is not easy, especially for the republicans. They have only managed to get Carter to be a 1-term president lately while the republicans have been unseated a few times.

 

[Stardreamer]

I really don't think Gingrich will get the nomination. He's got too much baggage. The Christian right doesn't like him.

The republicans just don't have a viable candidate this time. I still think it will be Romney.

This is really my opinion too, the Republicans had barely begun their 40 years in the wilderness post Bush to reevaluate what they needed to regain power. That combined with the current hyper polarized politics and rino hunting makes a situation where any decent candidate would be a fool to run. Romney is really shaping up as the best choice, at least he managing the campaign well with his steady approach while the others flare and burn out.

 

[MystikWizard]

edit: tbh, I don't really Romney ever being the "front-runner" in 2008... my recollection was Giuliani followed by McCain followed by no one followed by McCain again after he won NH.

Actually, it was McCain and Giuliani originally, followed by Mitt after McCain was going bankrupt and Giuliani was rejected by Conservatives (for the exact same reasons that Romney is being rejected today).

When it was becoming clear that there was no way the base was voting for Giuliani, then Mitt became the Front Runner.

Once McCain won new Hampshire and Guiliani dropped out after Florida, did McCain shoot to #1 status. However, again, that did not transpire until after those Primaries themselves.

Going into it, it was Giuliani and Romney all the way.

But after the Republicans' midterm losses, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani have emerged as their party's presidential favorites, according to public polls, GOP insiders, and Washington pundits. And stunningly for a party that has championed conservative social issues -- like opposing abortion, banning gay marriage, and restricting embryonic stem cell research -- not one of these front-runners is a bona fide social conservative.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1604181...-disappoints-some-conservatives/#.TsBhv1aa9eM



Another question worth asking is why was it that Rudy Giuliani was polling so heavily and treated as a Front Runner, yet did so poorly and received very little votes?

This compilation below is just amazing vs what actually happened ... not to mention highly comparable to what is going on today, with the exception being that Romney is in the same position today that Giuliani was in 2008 polling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...Republican_Party_2008_presidential_candidates

To Christians, being a Mormon is the equivalent of being Black to someone who is a Racist White Person. Just as a White Racist will not support a Black Person because of the color of their skin, the Christian Right is not going to vote for Romney because of his faith alone. Faith is something that those who are religious take extremely seriously, because they legitimately believe it is their path to God. The Christian Right does not believe in Mormonism and does not recognize it as a true religion. So frankly, Romney does not share their values and believes in a false religion to them ... whereas Gingrich subscribes to their basic belief system, yet has simply made some "bad choices" in his life.

Unless Romney can sweep the coast and make the Bible Belt completely irrelevant, he isn't going to get the nomination. There is no way the Bible Belt states will let him get the nomination. So he must take the coastal states. If he fails to do that, because they simply don't feel he is Conservative enough or don't feel he is a true "job creator" as his record is bleak, he won't get it done.

You can say it is Romney's "time", like it was for McCain, but McCain wasn't a Mormon. One's faith makes all the difference in the world to the Christian Right.

But by all means, believe what you want to believe. I'm done making my case. There simply are going to be a lot of people eating crow by the time the actual elections come around ... simply because they wanted to believe what the polls told them, just like what the polls said about Giuliani in 2008.

 

[MystikWizard]

CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops

Washington (CNN) – A new national survey of Republicans indicates that it's basically all tied up between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich in the race for the GOP presidential nomination, with Gingrich on the rise and businessman Herman Cain falling due to the sexual harassment allegations he's been facing the past two weeks.

According to a CNN/ORC International Poll released Monday, 24% of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP say Romney is their most likely choice for their party's presidential nominee with Gingrich at 22%. Romney's two-point advantage is well within the survey's sampling error.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/14/cnn-poll-gingrich-soars-cain-drops/?hpt=hp_t2

The Right has declared that their nominee shall not be of the Mormon religion, so there shall not be.

"Forgive and Forget ... as long as you are a Christian"
trumps
a belief system not recognized by Christians.

Although it most definitely is religious discrimination, but that is their right, I suppose.

 

[hotatlboi]

Cain was destroyed by some accusations of inappropriate sexual conduct.

Gingrich left his wife dying of cancer. There is no ambiguity. He did it.

Gingrich will not last once his skeletons start coming out and getting discussion, which they will now that he is in the top tier.

He will fade as the others have done, leaving only Romney.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yeah and I no longer have a boss who'll get bitchy letters about what an asshole I am when I dress someone down.

The Right has declared that their nominee shall not be of the Mormon religion, so there shall not be.

"Forgive and Forget ... as long as you are a Christian"
trumps
a belief system not recognized by Christians.

Although it most definitely is religious discrimination, but that is their right, I suppose.

Oh, it's recognized -- as a blasphemous heresy.

I doubt Romney can get more than he has. But if he starts gaining some, one or two of the lagging elephangelicals will drop out and throw their support to someone acceptable and able to get ahead of Romney.

If Gingrich comes out on top, it won't be because of what he is, but because of what he isn't -- he isn't a heretic.