Nifty.org - Pedophilia Central?

[Skittles075]

Are you maintaining that written words can't be porn?!

Legally, yes. If in your opinion stories can be porn, then good for you. The law does not see it that way.

 

[Skittles075]

Well, I'd draw it in a different place than the current state of the law. But the current state of the law is what we have to deal with.

Currently, you not only can't have porn where the ACTORS are underage, you can't have porn where the CHARACTERS are underage. Even in writing. Current law is designed to protect IMAGINARY PEOPLE from exploitation. Current law is designed to protect CARTOON CHARACTERS from exploitation.

Current law is fucking ridiculous, which is what you get when you let fear write law.

But you know what? A prison sentence for violating a ridiculous law is just as unpleasant as one for violating a reasonable law.

That is not the law in the United States. Believe me, I've researched this topic before I released my story. These stories, no matter how graphic, are protected by the First Amendment.

 

[Críostóir]

Legally, yes. If in your opinion stories can be porn, then good for you. The law does not see it that way.

Um, I think you're wrong about that. I don't think the underage-sex stories in Nifty are legal in the US. I am not a lawyer, though. Are you?

 

[Skittles075]

I'll try this again: do those stories glorify the murderers, the criminals?

And has a link been shown in courts and research between such stories and actual crime?

As I said before, if these rape stories end with the rapist being shot by an angry boyfriend or sister, or even cop, or arrested and sent to prison, fine. Otherwise, according to the research, they are encouraging rapists.

Watchmen did glorify some very bad people. Still, this story is protected under freedom of speech. What is this research and how biased is it?

 

[Skittles075]

If you ever had something happen to you like having a man that's 28 years older than you are rape your unlubed teenaged ass, and do it on more than one occasion..you might have a different opinion on this matter

this shit stays in the back of your mind forever; can learn to deal with it, but it never goes away


as far as pedophiles and child molesters are concerned, fuck the Eighth Amendment


castrate them and execute them

I was raped on multiple occasions and the people who did that were very wrong for what they did, however, cruel and unusual punishment cannot not just apply to a group of people because of the crime they committed.

 

[Skittles075]

Um, I think you're wrong about that. I don't think the underage-sex stories in Nifty are legal in the US. I am not a lawyer, though. Are you?

The stories are legal to read and produce in the United States. I still put a disclaimer before the start of my story because Nifty can be accessed from other nations in which the story may be illegal.

 

[Kulindahr]

Legally, yes. If in your opinion stories can be porn, then good for you. The law does not see it that way.

Only because the law has not been enforced. U.S. law says something has to have literary merit.

Coercive sex literature has the OPPOSITE of literary merit.

 

[Kulindahr]

Watchmen did glorify some very bad people. Still, this story is protected under freedom of speech. What is this research and how biased is it?

Psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, and criminologists have all done studies. But the court evidence is also pretty heavy: over and over, "power sex" stories are found in the hands of offenders, and they admit to using it to excite themselves for their crimes.

If that weren't so, I wouldn't care about it being published.

 

[Críostóir]

The stories are legal to read and produce in the United States. I still put a disclaimer before the start of my story because Nifty can be accessed from other nations in which the story may be illegal.

What I'm getting at is, how do you know that? You seem very confident, but for me to share that confidence I need more than just your bare assertion -- particularly since I've heard the exact opposite. Where did you get that legal information?

 

[Kulindahr]

I was raped on multiple occasions and the people who did that were very wrong for what they did, however, cruel and unusual punishment cannot not just apply to a group of people because of the crime they committed.

Castration would be a very humane punishment for violent rapists and especially pedophiles. Historically, such people have been executed, often painfully.

And some research seriously suggests there's a genetic component, so castration could reduce future pedophile rates.

 

[peeonme]

I have argued with myself about responding to this thread, child sex abuse is an ugly subject.
As a boy I was in a residential school where it was nearly an everyday occurence, at 13 I remember being there for about 2 weeks when the 12 yr. old in the bunk under me was assaulted by a 15 yr. old.
I didn't at the time know that guys could do this to each other.
So, now you know where I am coming from. I think that most gay guys find it offensive to have stories about boys being abused by adults listed under a "gay male"
category.
pedophilia has nothing to do with being gay, str8 dudes
are the major offenders, not gay guys.
But, I might add that if most guys, gay or str8 did what they fantasize about, well, we would need a lot more prisons. Just saying.

 

[Kulindahr]

I have argued with myself about responding to this thread, child sex abuse is an ugly subject.
As a boy I was in a residential school where it was nearly an everyday occurence, at 13 I remember being there for about 2 weeks when the 12 yr. old in the bunk under me was assaulted by a 15 yr. old.
I didn't at the time know that guys could do this to each other.
So, now you know where I am coming from. I think that most gay guys find it offensive to have stories about boys being abused by adults listed under a "gay male"
category.
pedophilia has nothing to do with being gay, str8 dudes
are the major offenders, not gay guys.
But, I might add that if most guys, gay or str8 did what they fantasize about, well, we would need a lot more prisons. Just saying.

Bravo!

QFT

 

[Skittles075]

What I'm getting at is, how do you know that? You seem very confident, but for me to share that confidence I need more than just your bare assertion -- particularly since I've heard the exact opposite. Where did you get that legal information?

According to the US Code, it has to be a visual depiction, which excludes literature. Obscenity laws (CDA and COPA), which would have extended the provision to include cartoons and text were struck down at the federal level before they even had a chance to become law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002257----000-.html

Visual depictions do not include sculptures, cartoons, or paintings.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html

I posted a story on Nifty with underage characters, believe me, I checked. I'm not going to prison for writing a story.

 

[Skittles075]

Castration would be a very humane punishment for violent rapists and especially pedophiles. Historically, such people have been executed, often painfully.

And some research seriously suggests there's a genetic component, so castration could reduce future pedophile rates.

Castration. Making an otherwise healthy component of a human being not healthy as punishment sounds cruel and unusual to me. Even criminals have rights.

 

[Skittles075]

There is one thing we can all agree on: raping children and/or exposing them to sex is, for an adult, highly disturbing, disgusting, despicable, and rightfully outlawed. We don't need longer prison sentences because this threat will not stop the abusers. We do not need chemical castration because child rapists still have arms and hands and can still rape and abuse children through other means. We do not need a sexual offender registry, it is a waste of time, money, and it makes the offender an outcast within their community which could lead to idle time for the offender and we all know where that can lead.

What we need is to address the illness. After the sentence served, and even during the sentence, the convict needs to start rehabilitation. This is a serious problem that causes serious damage to innocent, defenseless children and we owe these children and society more than what can be compared to empty rhetoric. And no, the death penalty is not applicable here; we cannot pick and choose who we the people will kill based upon moral standards.

I'm sorry if this offends people, but we, as a society, can do much better.

 

[Skittles075]

We also need tagging. GPS tagging a person is not cruel and it's not unusual. Tagging is also a productive way to track the movement of released convicts. However, in order to ensure we do not violate their constitutional rights, we should not store the data unless the violate their probation by going near a school or playground. There are practical and effective ways reduce the chances of repeat offenses.

 

[Level27]

*sighs*

And they jailed Galileo for saying that the Earth is round and that it circles the sun, our "star"... Such a notion that the Earth is not flat and infinite will bring an end to human kind and all of "God's creation", as we know it; the depraved pervert, his deviance and monstrosity to society, was obviously right to have been prosecuted, for it would have pleased God to have done so....

 

[Level27]

I know, right?

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm sorry if this offends people, but we, as a society, can do much better.

Yes, we can do better: we can start by penalizing the lowlifes who write coercion porn. We can strengthen the law which says writing can be pron and give it teeth. And we can penalize repeat coercive sexual criminals far more seriously.

I know of a guy where with over 300 instances of molestation against roughly 9-y.o. boys he's not classified as a predator -- even though he's assessed as incurable. And I know of a guy with four instances over twenty-five years with boys around sixteen who's classified as a dangerous predator.

The first should be castrated. For justice, he should suffer something as bad as those molestations, as many times as he did it to little boys, but we don't actually do justice any more. The second should be given a real assessment, not by the stupid social workers they use but by real psychologists, and "de-labeled".


BTW, yes, the sex offender registry should be ended, if for no other reason than that thousands of innocent people are convicted every year for the simple reason that children lie -- and even if the children admit to lying after they make their accusation, that is used as "proof" of the "crime"!

 

[Kulindahr]

We also need tagging. GPS tagging a person is not cruel and it's not unusual. Tagging is also a productive way to track the movement of released convicts. However, in order to ensure we do not violate their constitutional rights, we should not store the data unless the violate their probation by going near a school or playground. There are practical and effective ways reduce the chances of repeat offenses.

This is a good idea. It could even be done as some states require registration, only during parole/probation and for a term after that equal to the maximum sentence they could have gotten. No registry, no internet listing, but tracking for a period to see if they can be trusted.