Nifty.org - Pedophilia Central?

[Kulindahr]

A guy I know was accused by his niece. She had graphic descriptions. He and his mom both pointed out that he'd never met her. The D.A. said that's exactly what a mother would say to defend her son, and prosecuted. The girl later admitted it was a lie. The judge ruled that was inadmissible after the D.A. argued it was because of emotional pressure.

He's in prison for abuse of someone he's never met.

 

[Level27]

Rest assured, StarCrasher, like the Salem Witch Hunt, these things don't last permanently on history's timeline. One day, our offsprings some hundred to thousands of years down the line will look at these events and laugh, the same way many of us laugh at the Witch Hunt and it's "preposterousness" today.

Not to mention the laughter towards the condemnation of left-handers. (Hey, but (during their days,) they had "plausible", "correct" reasons as to why these things are morally wrong and/or illegal too, right?)

As long as enough people believe it, the good of humanity (not the righteousness of morality) would prevail.

 

[Kulindahr]

Rest assured, StarCrasher, like the Salem Witch Hunt, these things don't last permanently on history's timeline. One day, our off-springs some hundred or thousands of years down the line will look at this and laugh, the same way many of us laugh at the Witch Hunt.

As long as enough people believe it, the good of humanity (not the righteousness of morality) would prevail.

Crying would be more appropriate.

I know a counselor at the local county clinic. She says they have quite a few patients who are registered sex offenders. They were solid citizens before, but then they went to prison, and whether guilty or innocent (she estimates that one in four or worse are innocent) they now suffer from depression and more.

Why? Simply because as sex offenders, they can't get housing, they can't find jobs, they're shunned by churches. They've been made pariahs, requiring frequent intervention for suicidal wishes.

Some resort to the only thing they know to get housing and food: they refuse to register, which gets them four months of "three hots and a cot", then they'll vandalize something, to get three months, then they'll shoplift.....

 

[Level27]

Actually, I agree: "crying" would be a more appropriate term.

As for those damaged innocent adults, I wish my blessing upon them. I also wish on a star that God would send someone...anyone...just one person to tell them that there is love in life and that things will get better. Unless a messenger comes along to do this, however, things won't...

 

[gsdx]

What we need is to address the illness.

Yes, we do, but feeding it with written porn certainly isn't the answer. When a person is an alcoholic, you don't cure him by giving him a steady supply of booze.

 

[Skittles075]

Yes, we can do better: we can start by penalizing the lowlifes who write coercion porn. We can strengthen the law which says writing can be pron and give it teeth. And we can penalize repeat coercive sexual criminals far more seriously.

I know of a guy where with over 300 instances of molestation against roughly 9-y.o. boys he's not classified as a predator -- even though he's assessed as incurable. And I know of a guy with four instances over twenty-five years with boys around sixteen who's classified as a dangerous predator.

The first should be castrated. For justice, he should suffer something as bad as those molestations, as many times as he did it to little boys, but we don't actually do justice any more. The second should be given a real assessment, not by the stupid social workers they use but by real psychologists, and "de-labeled".


BTW, yes, the sex offender registry should be ended, if for no other reason than that thousands of innocent people are convicted every year for the simple reason that children lie -- and even if the children admit to lying after they make their accusation, that is used as "proof" of the "crime"!

I would rather not go back to the barbaric practices of the middle ages, so I am a definite "no" on castration. Also, you did not give me an example of someone going to prison for writing a story. The simple fact is according to the U.S.C., writings, paintings, and drawings cannot be considered porn, no matter the age of the subject.

Also, lying kids is not a valid reason to end the registry.

 

[Skittles075]

Yes, we do, but feeding it with written porn certainly isn't the answer. When a person is an alcoholic, you don't cure him by giving him a steady supply of booze.

That is a horrible analogy. An alcoholic, with proper support, could watch shows or read stories in which the characters are drinking without having a relapse. What you're describing is equivalent to giving a rapist a steady supply of vulnerable children and the green light to rape them.

 

[gsdx]

That is a horrible analogy. An alcoholic, with proper support, could watch shows or read stories in which the characters are drinking without having a relapse. What you're describing is equivalent to giving a rapist a steady supply of vulnerable children and the green light to rape them.

'Relapse'? You are talking about someone who has been 'cured'. It is a waste of time trying to have a debate with you when you change the rules (and other people's arguments) to suit your own.

And YOUR analogy of giving rapists a supply of vulnerable children is pathetic to say the least. Not all rapists rape children. And not all paedophiles rape children. They may abuse them, but they don't necessarily rape them.

If you're going to debate something, at least try to know something about it.

 

[Skittles075]

'Relapse'? You are talking about someone who has been 'cured'. It is a waste of time trying to have a debate with you when you change the rules (and other people's arguments) to suit your own.

And YOUR analogy of giving rapists a supply of vulnerable children is pathetic to say the least. Not all rapists rape children. And not all paedophiles rape children. They may abuse them, but they don't necessarily rape them.

If you're going to debate something, at least try to know something about it.

There is no way to cure alcoholism and you know that, so why lie about what you meant? You changed the rules of the debate when you made this argument, so why lie about that, as well? You know there is no way to cure a person of mental illness, so why lie about this? You know that you consider abuse as rape, so why lie? You know that an analogy does not have to be dead on to convey a point, so why lie about that? And if abusers and pedophiles are not abusing and raping, then you know there is no harm in them reading a story, so why lie about that? I know you're smarter than this, so why the need to lie?

 

[Críostóir]

Give it up, gsdx. The barrier between our universe and his is too thick, and neither toll booth nor wardrobe will penetrate it.

 

[Kulindahr]

Also, lying kids is not a valid reason to end the registry.

So you're in favor of a system where innocent people can be (and are) convicted regularly and their lives ruined, leaving them frequently homeless and jobless.

And you call a simple surgical procedure that doesn't even leave someone disfigured "barbaric"!

 

[Kulindahr]

Give it up, gsdx. The barrier between our universe and his is too thick, and neither toll booth nor wardrobe will penetrate it.

But if I had me a Snatcher....

You're probably right. Why we keep trying to get through to people who think it's okay to glorify the degradation of human beings... well, it's probably not worth the effort.

A simple law would help: any time a sex criminal is convicted of a heinous crime, we round up the authors of all the coercion-sex stories he's read over the previous few years and imprison them with him.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

this topic got moreeeeeee post then 1000 threads put a thagetda
ans not just this site too

it got say somethang

thankyou

 

[gsdx]

There is no way to cure alcoholism and you know that, so why lie about what you meant?

I DO know that. YOU were the one who brought it up in this discussion. Not me. That's why I put 'cured' in single quotes.

Don't impose your ignorance and stupidity on me.

 

[Skittles075]

Give it up, gsdx. The barrier between our universe and his is too thick, and neither toll booth nor wardrobe will penetrate it.

The universe in which I live follows the laws of the United States; you're welcome to join.

 

[Skittles075]

So you're in favor of a system where innocent people can be (and are) convicted regularly and their lives ruined, leaving them frequently homeless and jobless.

And you call a simple surgical procedure that doesn't even leave someone disfigured "barbaric"!

Castration is barbaric. Even chemical castration. When a person is given injections or medication to make a healthy part of their body nonfunctional, that is barbaric. And I am in favor of a fair justice system, but you'll have to come up with a better reason than turning children into criminals if you want that to fly in a court.

 

[Skittles075]

But if I had me a Snatcher....

You're probably right. Why we keep trying to get through to people who think it's okay to glorify the degradation of human beings... well, it's probably not worth the effort.

A simple law would help: any time a sex criminal is convicted of a heinous crime, we round up the authors of all the coercion-sex stories he's read over the previous few years and imprison them with him.

That simple law would violate Freedom of Speech.

 

[Skittles075]

I DO know that. YOU were the one who brought it up in this discussion. Not me. That's why I put 'cured' in single quotes.

Don't impose your ignorance and stupidity on me.

I never said "cure" until you mentioned it. You said it first, so, by definition, the ignorance would be on your part.

 

[Kulindahr]

The universe in which I live follows the laws of the United States; you're welcome to join.

So not only are you someone who thinks it's just fine to encourage rapists and pedophiles, you delight in exploiting the law to do so. What would that combination be -- state-sanctioned sadism or something?

 

[Kulindahr]

Castration is barbaric. Even chemical castration. When a person is given injections or medication to make a healthy part of their body nonfunctional, that is barbaric. And I am in favor of a fair justice system, but you'll have to come up with a better reason than turning children into criminals if you want that to fly in a court.

Okay, we lock them up for life, and make sure they're mixed in with the rest of the population.

You could write stories about it and drool while posting them for the next batch of sex criminals you want to inspire.