No matter how hot you are, if you're black or Asian, you're just not as desireable...

[BabiGayPimp]

White skin automatically, in the minds of many gay men, elevates the privileged one to most desireable status, whether or not they conform to more conventional standards of beauty.

Hence why I, someone reguarly referred to as "beautiful", will get passed up for average Joe white guy, time and time again.

It's maddening, but I realize my scope of reference is quite limited, being in the South, which is still backwards, and in which a larger percentage than the general US population still harbor negative and racist views of minorities.

Your scope of reference is not at all limited because you're in the South. That's how it is across the U.S. Things are a little diffferent in many other countries.

But I wouldn't worry too much about being "passed up." Believe me, you're not missing a thing.

 

[asianstudlover]

No, it doesn't stand, especially if you are unwilling to provide your own set of data which corroborate your thought process.

If you have nothing valid to contribute, which you, by your own admission do not, perhaps you should refrain from the discussion.

Im white and as a trend (NOT as a rule) i date white guys and asians. I would be compltely open to dating or fucking a guy of any race. I am equal opportunity horny!

The thing is, I grew up in Western culture (all its good & all its faults) and right or wrong, I am attracted to guys of "Western aesthetic standards." That does not mean white, but for example, the asian guys I have hooked up with are not the most typical looking asian guys by the asian beauty standard. One guy was chinese but tall and had mongol-esque face. Larger nose and a cut jaw. He was of course very "asian" otherwise.
On one hand,
I would never prefer an "average looking" white guy to him, because he was hot! for his race and for ANY race.
On the other,
Regardless of race, i go after guys with the "desired western facial features". On average a white guy might have that persay,....but I wouldnt go for them just because of my preference for this. Aesthletical quality is the some of many attributes and that is only one of them.

 

[Dduder]

By desireability, I'm speaking in purely a sexual capacity. As in, someone's sexual capital, or how sexually valued they are. Personally, I've documented a trend of black and Asian men having considerably lower sexual capital than white men, even when the said men were rated more attractive than their white counterparts.

I certainly can't speak for everyone, but these findings have mirrored my own as a gay black male.

Well, online atleast. Allow me to elaborate.

You see, when I go out to the bars, clubs, and other predominately gay establishments in my city, I don't seem to have a problem. In fact, quite the opposite--I seem to be the center of attention quite often, with men and women alike praising and complimenting me on my "beauty" (their word, not mine).

Online, however, my experiences have been in stark contrast -- that despite my apparent attractiveness in person, I am not desireable, or sexy, or sought after. That I am in fact, to be avoided, unengaged, and otherwise ignored.

I had always felt this to be the case, so to test my hypothesis, I made a number of profiles on gay oriented sites -- some social-oriented, others sex-oriented. I made two profiles -- one of myself, with a number of pics, some shirtless.

The other, a fake profile, of course, of a white male who looked to be about my age and had similar stature and musculature. To make it ultra-scientific and unbiased, I had friends of mine seek the advice of a number of random people on his attractiveness, and as how it related to mine (with headshots of us both), and almost all agreed that I was more attractive.

Then, I repeated the process with an Asian guy and another white guy (except this time, both were fake). Again, most people polled agreed that the Asian man was more physically attractive than the said white man.

My question is, if the two minorities were deemed more attractive, then why on all of these sites did the white profiles receive more activity, more e-mail messages, more compliments, more offers for sex, and more friend requests, than the non-white ones, respectively?

And no, the interest wasn't just confined to other white men either, the white profiles were more popular among blacks, Asians, and Latinos as well.

Just to clarify, I'm not asking why whites are preferred almost exclusively over minorities by many gay men -- I think that's been adequately explained in a number of other race-related threads.

What I'm asking is why in the hell are average white guys preferred over highly attractive minorities? It seems as though many gay men are so indoctrinated, enthralled, and bound by Eurocentric standards of beauty that they are unable to appreciate the physical attractiveness or sexiness of non-white minorities.

The ironic part is that the white men in these experiments were not even beautiful, they were at worst average, and at best attractive, but nothing extraordinary. So the trend here seems to be, in US gay circles atleast, that a white man, any white man, is almost always preferred to a black or an Asian man, even when the minorities are much more attractive.

I've always contended that people express their true selves over the anonymity of the internet -- while gay men might "appreciate" a good looking black or Asian man, it's quite clear they'd rather, collectively, hook up with the average white man.

And don't even get me started on the alarming number of profiles which made it clear that the person was not interested in blacks. More alarmingly, was the number of profiles from BLACKS themselves with these "preferences", while stating a specific interest in white men.

Seriously, can someone please explain to me what the hell seems to be going on here? I'm going to sleep with the BEST looking guy, regardless of his ethnicity.

Apparently, for many gay men, this is just not the case.

What are your thoughts?



*** To note, these experiments took place in Austin, TX

I wrote about this in another thread. This is what I wrote:

As a white boy, I must say that white youths, boys and girls, are considered the apex of Human desirability. This despite the fact that there are lots of extremely ugly white people.

But the evidence is overwhelming: black people, Latino, Asians, Asian Indians, etc, all worship the Caucasian form. A lot of it has to do withh the trauma of having been colonized and enslaved by white people, but even small children of other races find white people more attractive. There was that famous experiment where little black girls prefered to play with blong haired blue eyed dolls rather than black dolls.

As a white boy, I have received an enormous amount of attention from gay men and straight women of other races even though I am nothing special in terms of looks; just being white and young makes you instantly eye candy to non-whites. When I traveled to China with my parents two years ago, girls would look at me giggling and smiling all the time. White girls in southern Asia and also Africa cannot go out alone or they are certainly raped by men. I saw the statistics that 1 out of every 4 white women in South Africa has been raped by black men. Then there is the statistics that we are only 7% of the World's population and going extinct, so we white boys and girls are a lot more exotic to people throughout the World than they are to us.

 

[MisterMajestic]

I wrote about this in another thread. This is what I wrote:

As a white boy, I must say that white youths, boys and girls, are considered the apex of Human desirability. This despite the fact that there are lots of extremely ugly white people.

But the evidence is overwhelming: black people, Latino, Asians, Asian Indians, etc, all worship the Caucasian form. A lot of it has to do withh the trauma of having been colonized and enslaved by white people, but even small children of other races find white people more attractive. There was that famous experiment where little black girls prefered to play with blong haired blue eyed dolls rather than black dolls.

As a white boy, I have received an enormous amount of attention from gay men and straight women of other races even though I am nothing special in terms of looks; just being white and young makes you instantly eye candy to non-whites. When I traveled to China with my parents two years ago, girls would look at me giggling and smiling all the time. White girls in southern Asia and also Africa cannot go out alone or they are certainly raped by men. I saw the statistics that 1 out of every 4 white women in South Africa has been raped by black men. Then there is the statistics that we are only 7% of the World's population and going extinct, so we white boys and girls are a lot more exotic to people throughout the World than they are to us.

You call yourself a "White boy" a lot...Are you 18?

 

[Dduder]

You call yourself a "White boy" a lot...Are you 18?

No, I'm not. I will start calling myself a man when I develop the ability to grow a beard and weight more than 160 lbs - at a stature of almost 6'4. There are 16 year-olds with bulkier bodybuilds than I have. I don't deserve to call myself a man.

 

[MisterMajestic]

^^^6'4 & Super-Skinny is Model-Material...You should be walking up & down somebody's cat-walk..A lot of women Love really Tall Fuckers like yourself...I'm 6'2 and it's rare that I meet a Dude my height or taller...i don't mind looking down on a woman, but I prefer to be Eye to Eye or looking up @ another Dude i'm Fucking..

 

[gameboy 11]

We are talking about America, where there is still a white majority, where there is a history of racism, and where the media for eternity has portrayed caucasians as more attractive and desirable while casting minorities as less desirable. If anything we should be surprised that race relations are as good as they are.

As for profiles that express a non-white preference I suggest you visit sites that cater to minorities. Its no different than the videos you would expect to see on BET versus the country music channel.

This post made a LOT of fuckin' sense.

And just so you guys know, I'm African American and I haven't actually dated yet, but I guess you could say I have a preference for Latinos/Spanish guys, then whites then blacks. But I'm open to just about anybody.

 

[VenomGGXX]

Yeah this is a complex topic, dealing with social norms and behavior. But it's better to be passed up, then to be with someone that mean and close minded.

 

[Dduder]

^^^6'4 & Super-Skinny is Model-Material...You should be walking up & down somebody's cat-walk..A lot of women Love really Tall Fuckers like yourself...I'm 6'2 and it's rare that I meet a Dude my height or taller...i don't mind looking down on a woman, but I prefer to be Eye to Eye or looking up @ another Dude i'm Fucking..

Even though my face is nothing special, I do have the body of a model: tall and very skinny.

 

[Level27]

Im white and as a trend (NOT as a rule) i date white guys and asians. I would be compltely open to dating or fucking a guy of any race. I am equal opportunity horny!

The thing is, I grew up in Western culture (all its good & all its faults) and right or wrong, I am attracted to guys of "Western aesthetic standards." That does not mean white, but for example, the asian guys I have hooked up with are not the most typical looking asian guys by the asian beauty standard. One guy was chinese but tall and had mongol-esque face. Larger nose and a cut jaw. He was of course very "asian" otherwise.
On one hand,
I would never prefer an "average looking" white guy to him, because he was hot! for his race and for ANY race.
On the other,
Regardless of race, i go after guys with the "desired western facial features". On average a white guy might have that persay,....but I wouldnt go for them just because of my preference for this. Aesthletical quality is the some of many attributes and that is only one of them.

However, you must also take into account that "Western aesthetics" apply more easily to white people, because such standard of beauty were defined with the very physiological nuances and components of the Caucasoid gene pool by Caucasian people themselves. Also, because of such easy fit, it is generally more likely for them than for "other races" to be encouraged to make themselves more "glamorous" or "sexy". Therefore, you would see more "sexy" white folks. (I'm not saying that "sexy" asians by the same standard don't exist. Obviously, you have seen asian guys who you found attractive. I'm simply saying that you'd more likely find white people who are such than asians or blacks who are such.)

Consciously or not, you're trying to indirectly elude (or avoid having to admit) any discrimination you might have, no matter how little, by stating that your attraction is "really actually" open to all people if they simply work to belong into a certain beauty definition. Thing is, white people would only need put little work to belong there, for they mostly defined it; they were already there or almost there, so your attraction would primarily more likely be focused at them than those of races who simply were not given a good start to reach the finish line to begin with, see?

I'm not saying that you're wrong for having such attraction to people of the races like that, let alone that you are at fault for anything. I was merely appealing to honesty.

 

[Level27]

Concluding, I sincerely respect and commend you for having a mindset of tolerance and open-mindedness.

 

[electricflame]

Each person has his own preference for what race they are more attracted to. Just because you "find" that more people have a preference for white people on the internet, that doesn't make the Asian or Black races any less desirable. I don't understand why you must characterize one as "less desirable".

Just because it's one case on a few sites, doesn't mean it's the case with all sites.

You can't really poll sexual preference because there are so many different types of people with their own very finely nuanced tastes. This is even more so true when using the internet to find statistical data.

And you also can't just use one representative "asian" or one representative "black" since both of these races have many many different subdivisions.

While you raise some very, VERY valid points, as somebody who fits into the Asian category, with a fairly normal level of attraction, I'm turned down due to my race FAR too often to think otherwise. You don't know until you're...ONE of the minority. And if you are, I apologize.

 

[electricflame]

I feel for you. I consider myself fairly attractive. If I upped my attractiveness level by 70% and become a "genetic God," I'd STILL feel that NOBODY would notice or appreciate it, because of my color. THAT is what is frustrating. I like my eyes. But nobody notices them or even sees me standing there. Because I'm Asian.

Also, people in the club scene are very shallow, and many of them are unlikely to make even FRIENDS with people they don't consider attractive. Racism? I don't know what I call it but I'm definitely an outcast because of my color.

 

[Bored]

I feel for you. I consider myself fairly attractive. If I upped my attractiveness level by 70% and become a "genetic God," I'd STILL feel that NOBODY would notice or appreciate it, because of my color. THAT is what is frustrating. I like my eyes. But nobody notices them or even sees me standing there. Because I'm Asian.

Also, people in the club scene are very shallow, and many of them are unlikely to make even FRIENDS with people they don't consider attractive. Racism? I don't know what I call it but I'm definitely an outcast because of my color.

Why did you just revive every thread that talks about different races? Is that your idea of trolling?

 

[electricflame]

Why did you just revive every thread that talks about different races? Is that your idea of trolling?

No, I was interested in the topic and searched them and had stuff to say.

 

[Telstra]

i'm only attracted to very very hot guys.
Those unhot guys should die immediately ...











* just kidding.

 

[electricflame]

Lol oh dear

 

[Nomenclature]

Regardless of what you look like, the same thing is going to happen: There's going to be people who like you, people who don't like you, and a majority who just doesn't care about you at all.

Live your life accordingly.

 

[GiacomoPisani]

after living in the usa for a while now,i still can't understand what "white" americans means with latino,i mean, what is a "latino" supposed to look like in a white man's mind.i think that the correct word should be Hispanic.They are many hispanics who are latinos,which means that they are 100% descendants of spaniards,italians, portuguese or french.
i have gay friends of mine that are Hispanics and they all look whiter than me,coz some of them are Cubans or Argentinians.the funny thing is that when they go on a date with an white american guy,they expect them to be mexican looking or with swarthy skin.they get sooo disappointed.
when my partner used to work as a truck driver,he met gringos that couldn't believe he was latino,coz he speaks perfect English without an accent,he is blond and has blue eyes.i have mediterranean look,and many gringos think that i'm latino.
So a latino for a gringo could be anything ranging from an italian, a greek,an arab,a native american,and even hindus.They seem to be very confused about how latinos should look like.
i do think that in this country having blue eyes is like a cultural obsession or something,even blacks wear blue contact lenses so go figure......