No tip for a gay waiter. He got this note instead.

[Kulindahr]

Minimum wage here is around $13-14 an hour here. Bit more in Australia $15?.

If you have a good time and good service you can tip. No obligation, but it's polite when you get good service in a sit down restaurant.
Any tips you get are tax free so people who put in some extra effort can earn more in tips than their already fairly high minimum wage.

Higher minimum wages don't mean you don't get tips elsewhere, and it's rare to find countries that tax tips.

There's the way it should be.

 

[Kulindahr]

This "Christian" couple may want to check their bibles: judge not, lest you are judged! I hope they got food poisoning!

Just to clarify that passage....

the Greek word connotes passing sentence and implies imposing a penalty, not merely making an assessment. The couple in this case had every right to make a judgment, i.e. an assessment, about the waiter. But if they understood the scriptures, they would have known that it isn't their place to impose any sentence and penalty.

All these 'evangelicals' major in condemnation and only minor in the Gospel... when they grasp it at all.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Many of them get paid commission, as do real estate agents. It's their form of the tipping system.

Retail people do not get commision. People at fast food places who make your food dont get tips when the only difference is they arent bringing the food to the table. So why dont they get tips? It is a service job.

Why don't we just pay everyone hourly minimum wage instead. Then every single job that's not a doctor, lawyer, or banker will be like working at McDonald's.

Apparently that's what you want.

I am.pretty sure there are plenty of jobs that arent doctors, lawyers, bankers that get paid more than minimum wage.

Minimum wage is not even my point. The tipping system is flawed and is not there to benefit you. You are not being paid properly for the work you do.

I have no problem tipping but I have a huge problem with how it works.

 

[nafhoosier]

Retail people do not get commision. People at fast food places who make your food dont get tips when the only difference is they arent bringing the food to the table. So why dont they get tips? It is a service job.



I am.pretty sure there are plenty of jobs that arent doctors, lawyers, bankers that get paid more than minimum wage.

Minimum wage is not even my point. The tipping system is flawed and is not there to benefit you. You are not being paid properly for the work you do.

I have no problem tipping but I have a huge problem with how it works.

Well then don't be a server or and get a job that doesn't rely on tips.

It's really that simple.

There are pros and cons to every job and the same argument that you're making usually come from cheapskates that use this 'fair wage' BS as a facade for just not liking to tip.

 

[star-warrior]

Well then don't be a server or and get a job that doesn't rely on tips.

It's really that simple.

There are pros and cons to every job and the same argument that you're making usually come from cheapskates that use this 'fair wage' BS as a facade for just not liking to tip.

As many pointed out, you can still tip even if you know that the server/waiter is getting paid a decent wage.

Let's hope you don't get a long run of bad tippers, especially when you've worked your heart out, because that would be the irony of your situation

 

[gsdx]

This discussion has been going on for over a century, and 'tipping' has been around for much longer:

Strange as it may seem, tipping wasn't customary in the U.S. before the Civil War. According to Kerry Segrave, author of a book on the custom’s curious history, tipping originated within the elaborate play of manners of the European aristocracy. To tip someone was as much about establishing a hierarchy between superior and inferior as it was about compensating a waiter, valet or servant. Giving a tip was a power play, and accepting one was a sign of servility. Such affectations didn’t sit well with Americans.

Nonetheless, sometime in the Gilded Age tipping came to America. At the time, critics blamed wily European waiters who had immigrated; others simply pointed to the influx of immigrants -- people whom one letter writer to the Times described as “the scum and carrion of Europe’s southern borders, where begging is an art.” Sneaky foreigners had lured the good-natured, big-hearted American people into tipping -- or so the story went.

In reality, the culprits were wealthy Americans, who traveled to Europe in the late 19th century. They aped the aristocrats they met, and sometimes went farther by out-tipping Europeans, prompting complaints that the American nouveaux riches were spoiling the servants. When these travelers came home, they showed off their newfound sophistication by leaving generous tips for waiters, porters and others. The practice spread down the culinary food chain, as middle-class Americans imitated their social superiors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-09/the-futile-war-on-tipping.html

 

[voyager1994]

Typical 'I accepted the Lord as my saviour' brand of Christianity. They believe everyone else is condemned.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Well then don't be a server or and get a job that doesn't rely on tips.

It's really that simple.

There are pros and cons to every job and the same argument that you're making usually come from cheapskates that use this 'fair wage' BS as a facade for just not liking to tip.

It isnt simple when you are not answering what I am saying. And as it is the usual assumptions that come to play on this board because you either cant answer my points or dont want to.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Can I also ask if pages of adverts in a diners menu to keep costs down there for the customer?

 

[gsdx]

^ Indeed, and businesses pay good money to advertise in them.

 

[zoltanspawn]

And I totally refuse to leave a tip in places where they go in a jar and everyone shares them -- that just makes both of us slaves, myself and the employee, and allows those unwilling to work hard to suck off the rest.

Shared tips will only increase as a business model for restaurants in the future, I suspect. Costs have increased across the board in the last decade, food, rent, insurance, labor, services. It's already a very, very small margin industry (when it's avoiding failure altogether) and so you will see more and more counter service, and less and less personalized attention. Such tip-sharing is one of the new ways businesses are resorting to in order to remain profitable in this especially tough market.

I don't like it.

Just as the middle-class is being squeezed, so are their middle-class restaurants. Personalized service (with its personalized tip) at the table is going to increasingly become the purview of the upper-class restaurant, while counter service (with shared tipping) (and other lower-labor-cost operations like food carts and fast-fucking-food) will become more of the norm for the proles.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

it a hear humans serve othda humans ons planet earth ans no robot tits
* ooooh sooooooo grossys*
ins frog suits
* dat okaythen *

thankyou