Noel from Sean Cody suspended from High School

[Críostóir]

I'm surprised at people saying they don't have any use for the porn side of this site. I can understand how you might be being drawn to the fora, I guess, though most of the discussion here is about porn and related topics.

Coming here to OPPOSE porn is either hypocritical or just plain old trolling.

I was very upset when I found out "Noel" was still in high school. I really think SC should not use people who are still in school, even if they're 18. I worry about his hopes of joining the Army, which tends to take a dim view of being in gay porn, even though they DO take convicted felons; this is an injustice ripe for activism for those who still have the energy (I did mine in the 1970s).

The issue of sex work is complex,* particularly with regard to the very young (albeit 18+) and poor. For me, it's a matter of working (through personal argument and public (for anonymized-internet values of 'public') discourse--yeah, haven't QUITE stopped being an activist, I just don't carry signs on the street anymore) to end the stigma that makes it sadly unlikely that "Noel" will be able to get a professional job or even join the Army.

In 20 years, HR people will know that just about everyone has embarrassing bits of youth, and perhaps (if we can get rid of homophobic, anti-sex, hate-filled politicians) someday it will be illegal for them to check certain things (which would require new technology), or something. Right now it's just become possible to check all that stuff AND it's still enough to keep you out of a job, so we're in a FUCKED UP period of history.

*For example, it's illegal to pay someone to have sex with you (except in Nevada)--unless you're filming it for public release. So if I hire a young guy to have sex with me,** I've broken the law, but if Jake Cruise (who is about my age) hires a young guy to have sex with him and films it, he hasn't. What the hell is that? If I film my sexual encounter with the hired guy, does that make it legal, or do I have to actually put it up on the web to make it legal? If I put it up on Xtube is that good enough? My point is that the current state of these laws make no sense whatsoever.

**I never would, for the record. If nothing else, it would ruin the whole thing for me.

 

[Gekishinken]

In an interview, his mother referred to the fellow students as children.

“I think that it is [the principal's] morals and her personal beliefs and I don’t think that this is anybody’s business except for my son’s,” Lieb told another CNN affiliate. “The children at the school found [the porn], and she didn’t do anything to stop it.”

Read more: Robert Marucci, Allegedly Suspended for Gay Porn, Headed Back to Class | TIME.com http://nation.time.com/2014/01/22/florida-teen-who-acted-in-porn-goes-back-to-school/#ixzz2rAlAxeaj

Well he returned to his high school classes today, so we see how it goes...

What was the principal supposed to do about kids finding porn? >__> That's the parents job.

Also, the mom needs to get her story straight. First she said he got expelled, then it was suspended. Which is it? There's a REALLY big difference.

 

[xbuzzerx]

*For example, it's illegal to pay someone to have sex with you (except in Nevada)--unless you're filming it for public release. So if I hire a young guy to have sex with me,** I've broken the law, but if Jake Cruise (who is about my age) hires a young guy to have sex with him and films it, he hasn't. What the hell is that? If I film my sexual encounter with the hired guy, does that make it legal, or do I have to actually put it up on the web to make it legal? If I put it up on Xtube is that good enough? My point is that the current state of these laws make no sense whatsoever.

**I never would, for the record. If nothing else, it would ruin the whole thing for me.

This inconsistency did occur to me. However, I do think it is a lot easier to police a relatively small number of companies producing pornography than it would be to police people all over the country being knifed, beaten or killed by random johns. Not to mention the degree of human sex bondage/indentured servitude which already does occur in some industries, especially those dealing with newly arrived immigrants. In short, it's really hard to regulate nationwide legal prostitution.

So I acknowledge the logical break between the two positions but I also acknowledge that the ramifications of the two are not at all the same, at least not in potential scope.

Lastly, no one in this thread has "opposed porn", and I've read every post. A lot of the discussion hinged around the scruple you yourself just agreed with--- that this is a h.s. kid who, despite legal majority, very likely would have made a different decision at 20 or 30 than he did at 18 as a high school kid, and likely even at this moment doesn't fully grasp how the ramifications of this may follow or haunt him for most of his life. And that of course doesn't matter to studios like Sean Cody because they know plenty of people are more than willing to shell out money to see some young naive athletic dick. Mostly I personally just questioned what kind of a mother would not feel some degree of shame that their family finances were such that her son was barebacking for cash in high school.

 

[Jack Springer]

Did he also have unexcused absences when he did the multiple porn shoots that will lead to him not graduating?

If you have participated in many porn videos wouldn't you expect people to know it at some time?

His creepy mother should be nominated for Mother of the Year.

Overall it's not something an 18yo in high school should be doing -- especially unprotected sex. Everyone here should be talking about that.

Sick people ... he's only 18.

 

[Alnitak]

unprotected sex. Everyone here should be talking about that.

We have been. Did you read the thread?

 

[Críostóir]

What was the principal supposed to do about kids finding porn? >__> That's the parents job.

Also, the mom needs to get her story straight. First she said he got expelled, then it was suspended. Which is it? There's a REALLY big difference.

I didn't get the impression that his mom was on top of the details. She shouldn't have to be; that's the lawyer's job.

In addition, it's a bit confusing, because the principal was trying an end-run expulsion by suspending "Noel" for long enough that he would be expelled for too many absences. This is vile and reprehensible, but never mind. He was technically suspended but effectively expelled. Fortunately the district realized that this principal was off the reservation and reined her in.

Lastly, no one in this thread has "opposed porn", and I've read every post. A lot of the discussion hinged around the scruple you yourself just agreed with--- that this is a h.s. kid who, despite legal majority, very likely would have made a different decision at 20 or 30 than he did at 18 as a high school kid, and likely even at this moment doesn't fully grasp how the ramifications of this may follow or haunt him for most of his life. And that of course doesn't matter to studios like Sean Cody because they know plenty of people are more than willing to shell out money to see some young naive athletic dick. Mostly I personally just questioned what kind of a mother would not feel some degree of shame that their family finances were such that her son was barebacking for cash in high school.

Well, my objection was more about the immediate consequences of being outed as a gay porn star while still in high school. When I graduated HS I was 17 (more common then than now), so I couldn't have been in porn (if anyone had asked!) until the following fall. But we have this social idea that people who are 18 can make good decisions about their futures, which I think is too old for some things and too young for others. We let people appear in porn before we let them drink legally, which is another thing that makes no sense.

The 18-is-an-adult thing dates from the abuses of the Vietnam War, when people could be drafted three years before they could vote. I see why that had to be done, but not all its consequences are good things.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Well, my objection was more about the immediate consequences of being outed as a gay porn star while still in high school. When I graduated HS I was 17 (more common then than now), so I couldn't have been in porn (if anyone had asked!) until the following fall. But we have this social idea that people who are 18 can make good decisions about their futures, which I think is too old for some things and too young for others. We let people appear in porn before we let them drink legally, which is another thing that makes no sense.

The 18-is-an-adult thing dates from the abuses of the Vietnam War, when people could be drafted three years before they could vote. I see why that had to be done, but not all its consequences are good things.

I agree with you. These numbers for establishing statutory majority are just rough guesses. The blind belief held by some in the discussion that 18 = legal majority = every decision you make is adult and competent is silly. The drinking age was raised to 21 for a reason. The driving age varies and has varied over time for the same reason. Laws have to establish some kind of statutory majority for certain adult activities but of course this number is never going to reflect that everyone is as capably adult at that age as everyone else, it's not a magic number and it's not a magical point in biology or psychology. It's a rough guess or a settling point.

There's a reason, for example, that exorbident credit card interest rate offers and similar schemes heavily target very young adults and very old seniors. Despite both being adults, both will frequently lack the experience or the competence to make wise decisions about their finances.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I think people would somewhat widely agree that few 18 year olds are really prepared for serving in active combat duty in a war in the military. Then again, you could also argue that no one really is.

 

[Críostóir]

I would argue that, in fact!

If we based law on science, a lot of things would change. No adolescent would ever be tried as an adult for any crime, and eyewitness testimony would be absolutely excluded.

I have to agree with Bumble about a lot of this stuff. The law is a ass, a idiot.

 

[G-Lexington]

Is it weird that I'm more curious about the OP of this thread than the actual topic?

Lex

 

[xbuzzerx]

Is it weird that I'm more curious about the OP of this thread than the actual topic?

Lex

Yeah that did raise some eyebrows in the post comment grapevine before Borg mentioned it.

 

[Críostóir]

Is it weird that I'm more curious about the OP of this thread than the actual topic?

Lex

Wow, I didn't even notice. His only post is starting this thread. Sock puppet? Or maybe he joined JUB just to open this discussion. Still, it's odd he hasn't participated in it any further.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Wow, I didn't even notice. His only post is starting this thread. Sock puppet? Or maybe he joined JUB just to open this discussion. Still, it's odd he hasn't participated in it any further.

Or it was Noel himself drumming up some advertising. I noticed the Sean Cody update thread mentioned that the website changed to feature Noel on it since the news broke. lol.

 

[Telstra]

Or it was Noel himself drumming up some advertising. I noticed the Sean Cody update thread mentioned that the website changed to feature Noel on it since the news broke. lol.

I did visit Sean Cody site just to see what Noel look like LOL

 

[Críostóir]

Or it was Noel himself drumming up some advertising. I noticed the Sean Cody update thread mentioned that the website changed to feature Noel on it since the news broke. lol.

That would be the "joined just to open the thread" case...though arguably also a sock puppet. I think "Noel" is more interested in damage control than advertising at this point. We'll see if he does another scene for SC, and if the incident is discussed in the BTS.

 

[star-warrior]

Any publicity for SC is good publicity, no doubt. They don't seem to have made any comments on their star and his predicament. I suspect though now its gone public, visits to their site has gone through the roof.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

I don't agree that Sean Cody is at fault here. They're a business. The legal cosent age is 18. He has the looks, personality, and ability to perform. They're not in the business of turning those people away. In real life, you're going to make your own desicions and may have to deal with the consequences. That's the real world. If someone thinks 18 year olds aren't emotionally mature enough to make these desicions, then their issue is with the American legal system. People are entitled to their opinion and I understand where they're coming from, but I think it's unfair to blame Sean Cody

 

[xbuzzerx]

I don't agree that Sean Cody is at fault here. They're a business. The legal cosent age is 18. He has the looks, personality, and ability to perform. They're not in the business of turning those people away. In real life, you're going to make your own desicions and may have to deal with the consequences. That's the real world. If someone thinks 18 year olds aren't emotionally mature enough to make these desicions, then their issue is with the American legal system. People are entitled to their opinion and I understand where they're coming from, but I think it's unfair to blame Sean Cody

Is it legal? Yes.

Is it in disaste to troll for hot high school seniors with money troubles and wave a few thousand bucks in front of them to do something that may drastically hurt them in life in the future?

Oh yes.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Is it legal? Yes.

Is it in disaste to troll for hot high school seniors with money troubles and wave a few thousand bucks in front of them to do something that may drastically hurt them in life in the future?

Oh yes.

How do you know they came to him? What if he was the one who approached them?

Again, if people don't know the whole story, they shouldn't jump to conclusions.

 

[zombiekiller]

Hope you don't take offense, but id be careful about the wording. The way you talk about your boyfriend it sounds like he is some plaything under your control. "I got my bf to quit" - I'm guessing you mean convinced?
But then you say you could have gotten him to do something else?
Comes off as very controlling

No offense taken.

 

[xbuzzerx]

How do you know they came to him? What if he was the one who approached them?

It wouldn't make any difference to me.