North Carolina and Indiana

[letme]

Jack

Tell me what County in IN Has a larger % of black voters Plz .

Just a fact,Jack.........

instead of calling "black Voters" should I have said Minority,Afro-American, Negro, Non-White....You Pick

 

[letme]

Hmmm

HRC is ahead by only 30,000 votes , with 200,000 votes left to be called in (reported by both MSNBS & Fox)
If BB picks up 63% of that he will win. Can we say Challenges like the General Election in Fl ?

 

[construct]

Hmmm

HRC is ahead by only 30,000 votes , with 200,000 votes left to be called in (reported by both MSNBS & Fox)
If BB picks up 63% of that he will win. Can we say Challenges like the General Election in Fl ?

There are always challenges, but I wouldn't expect it to be like 2000.

 

[construct]

North Carolina:

Obama 31
Clinton 20


Indiana:

Obama 27
Clinton 31


so far.

 

[southern fox]

I think tonight was a great showing for Obama's continued strength in this race. However, looking at parts of this thread, I think its best not to gloat about it. It sends the wrong message, and helps no one.

Still though, Obama kicked ass.

North Carolina:
Obama: 863,270
Clinton: 644,338

Obama leads by 218,932

Indiana:
Obama: 574,643
Clinton: 536,332

Clinton leads by 38,311. Its not even over yet.

The primary race has probably been decisively closed by tonight, even though it was clear a while back. Her only hope -- the ability to gain the popular vote -- has been set back. I think she will do extraordinarily well in West Virginia and Kentucky, but I don't feel that she can plug the roughly 700,000 popular vote gap between them, as well as the gains that Obama will probably win in Oregon, South Dakota, and Montana.

She can't hope to get the delegate count by any means, and I don't feel that she can end the race claiming momentum, especially since the last three states in the primaries are solidly supporting Obama in the polls. She would require around 90% of the undecided super-delegates to side with her in order to win the nomination, and I don't see that happening either.

Her tenacity has served her very well up to now, but it can't go anywhere from here.

 

[construct]

Real Clear Politics has crunched their numbers. They're showing


North Carolina

Obama 63
Clinton 47


Indiana:

Obama 30
Clinton 36


Eleven more to go combined.

 

[southern fox]

Yeah, the gap crunched:

Clinton: 584,113
Obama: 564,323

Clinton leads by 19,790.

Lake and Monroe counties are still left to be finished, and both have done very well with Obama. He swept Lake.

 

[MystikWizard]

Half the votes from key Obama counties has not been reported yet, according to MSNBC. What a phenomenal contest this has turned into in Indiana.

By the way, your state did good tonight, too, ICO.

 

[JackFTwist]

if Obama loses Indiana it will be by less than 20,000 total votes

Note I posted that at 9:42 pm

When one knows the state and can count the votes - something I can do in the midwest -

it was obvious to see that the question was if Obama loses, not if he wins and that if he loses the state it will be very close

that is why mnbc has been so cautious - if I were them I would have been too - they were getting different numbers from the Obama boiler room than I was getting but we were within 30,000 votes of each other so I knew I was on track

anyone being surprised, well, you shouldn't be, that is why I posted that over two hours ago because based on the count in Marion County it made clear what Lake would come in at

by the way I only know these numbers because I am very active in politics and know how to count these things - I claim no other skill than learning to do this over the years

 

[construct]

Combined gap so far: about 205,000 for Obama. But remember folks, it's all about the delegates--plus ten for Obama, eleven more to go.

 

[southern fox]

^ CNN has nothing for Union.

I just noticed. I'm honestly not sure what the demographics for Union are.

The gap can still be closed at this point.

 

[JesseNYC]

So I was watching a video on CNN and does anyone else find it alarming that over 50% of Hillary voters in both Indiana and North Carolina said they wouldnt vote for Obama in November?
I mean I am a Hillary supporter but come November I will vote for Obama.

 

[MystikWizard]

So I was watching a video on CNN and does anyone else find it alarming that over 50% of Hillary voters in both Indiana and North Carolina said they wouldnt vote for Obama in November?
I mean I am a Hillary supporter but come November I will vote for Obama.

I am alarmed by that, and I also take your position. If Hillary would have captured the nomination, I would have very reluctantly supported the woman, despite the fact that I don't trust the Woman at all. But obviously, her supporters are more out for themselves and don't care about the Democratic Party.

 

[JackFTwist]

if the race ends now, and the Clintons support the nominee, there is time to heal and those numbers will drop a great deal

if this campaign staggers on despite it being all over but for the shouting, it will aggravate feelings on both sides

so it depends what happens as to how concerned we should be for those numbers

 

[construct]

So I was watching a video on CNN and does anyone else find it alarming that over 50% of Hillary voters in both Indiana and North Carolina said they wouldnt vote for Obama in November?
I mean I am a Hillary supporter but come November I will vote for Obama.

Well, you know, it kind of concerns me a little, but there's six months to go for the general election. I think that's plenty of time for us Democrats to get over being mad at each other. I think when we get back to the stark policy differences between the parties, we should be able to turn out the vote for either candidate.

The best thing about the long Democratic campaign is that it has provided impetus for organizing in traditionally red states. That means that allocation of campaign dollars across the electoral college map shakes up, and the map may get shaken up as well.

 

[southern fox]

So I was watching a video on CNN and does anyone else find it alarming that over 50% of Hillary voters in both Indiana and North Carolina said they wouldnt vote for Obama in November?

I mean I am a Hillary supporter but come November I will vote for Obama.

Yeah, I did notice that. I don't think it will translate into November results though, once the prospect of McCain taking the presidency comes up. It is unfortunate though that there are people out there -- on both sides -- who take the primaries so personally that they would hand the presidency to McCain out of spite.

I would certainly vote for Hillary over McCain, and she would be leaps and bounds more able and worthy than another Republican administration.

 

[southern fox]

Yeah, I get a shaky impression from him. He's really defensive about the slow tabulation in his city.

With 99% of the vote in, I think that Hillary will take the state, probably roughly in the rough area that it is.

 

[southern fox]

The mayor of Hammond is a few steps above the mayor of Gary.

He comes across as an apologist struggling for a way to paint this as a great victory for Clinton. His uneasy and shifting tone of voice implied that he was improvising.

He had the bright idea to picture Indiana as Obama-territory that Clinton captured, and then he ran with it over and over -- and had the gall to keep citing Wright as an issue.

No offense to them, but whats with the mayors up there?

 

[construct]

I just saw the video of Tim Russert on syntax's thread. It looks like the next move is Sen. Clinton's.

 

[southern fox]

I'd actually be surprised if she dropped out. West Virginia and Kentucky are hers to take, even if the nomination is not.