Now, I realize that not ALL Christians are fucked in the head...

[Rex]

Yeah Jasun stop being silly and just give it a rest. You've said enough.

 

[luminum]

Isn't it obvious that it's basically animal cruelty without any express purpose other than to entertain children? There's something inherently unethical about that. There's a purposive use for feeding goldfish to your pets, since they're hungry and these are the kinds of prey the feed upon. Even swallowing a fish for the purpose of eating it is justifiable.

But the guy's not doing either--he's killing an animal purely for the sake of entertainment...for kids.

In the grand scheme, not such a big deal, but is it that hard to see the difference? Is this the same disconnect between the naked human pyramid in Abu Ghraib and "American high school cheerleaders doing human pyramids all the time"? That's what I find most baffling here.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Save your indignation for youth fishing programs,

Oh, for fuck's sake, it's not indignation, I just think that it's a VERY fucked up thing to entertain kids with. We're obviously not going to agree on this but I'm not going to ever think that swallowing live animals is ever going to be an appropriate thing to do for entertainment in a church.

 

[Rex]

Jasun stop fishing for attention and go eat some tuna or join PETA if you want to stand up for goldfish's rights.

 

[sabot3ur]

Jasun stop fishing for attention

exactly what do you think you're doing?

and I don't understand the high expectations people have for churches nowadays, swallowing live fish is something that doesn't surprise me in the least coming from a cult.

 

[Rex]

exactly what do you think you're doing?

Pissing Jasun off. It's fun but I've got bigger fish to fry.

 

[Thrasher12]

Jasun, I see your point of view but I think you are unfairly singling out Christians. We humans are a cruel species—as cruel to animals as we are to each other.

For example, chefs in the US and Europe throw live lobsters into boiling water, and cooks all over the world do this with live clams. In the Orient, kitties and doggies are thrown alive into cages, 100 at a time, stacked on top of one another, and are taken out of these cages and slaughtered on the spot for diners. In Spain (or is it Greece?), live goats are thrown off balconies for sport. And we have Neanderthal Ted Nugent, who openly brags about hunting for sport.

By this gauge, the idea of Christians swallowing live fish seems downright tame.

Personally I don't really get you're argument; humanity is cruel to animals nothing new, feel free to look up a butcher or a chicken farm. Secondly none of the above things were specifically done in a religious context (well the goat maybe) but rather in order to eat the mentioned animals (personally I never ate a dog but hey...)

Now while the logic/meaning behind whole process of eating gold fish in order to prove Jesus escapes me (quite frankly it only proves that a big animal or in this case human can eat a small fish) I also fail to see the point why people are outraged over some goldfish (sure if there were my goldfish I probably would bashed the guys head in, in order to retrieve them) who were specifically bought for this....undertaking.

As for the kids...well let's face it they see much crueler/bloodier things on TV and in computer games these days so I doubt that they were that traumatized.

 

[CGHJ]

Oh, for fuck's sake, it's not indignation, I just think that it's a VERY fucked up thing to entertain kids with. We're obviously not going to agree on this but I'm not going to ever think that swallowing live animals is ever going to be an appropriate thing to do for entertainment in a church.

LOL I think it's sweet that you care about goldfish, honestly. I don't get it, but I'll say you have a big heart

I am very, very tempted to buy a whole bunch of feeder goldfish and tape marines swallowing them at the bar next weekend so I can post it on YouTube though. Lucky for you--and the fish--I'm waaaay to laz. 'Cuz you know damn well the marines would bite their heads off first

 

[GM1985]

Most Christians would say the fish doesn't have feelings or a soul.

So it's a non-issue for them.

Funny how their religion teaches and preaches love to all of gods creatures, yet they eat live goldfish?

Just another case of hypocracy in my opinion!

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

LOL I think it's sweet that you care about goldfish, honestly. I don't get it, but I'll say you have a big heart

ERg... dude, I love you but are you not reading?

I don't care about the Goldfish, it's that this really odd Fratboy thing is being performed for a bunch of elementary school kids for entertainment and many of them probably have goldfish as pets.

That's what I'm on about. I just think it's a really inappropriate thing to do for kids.

Maybe I'm too protective of kid's sensibilities, but I just can't imagine how this is an appropriate thing to do to entertain kids. It's not the goldfish I care about, it's the kids.

I mean, I get why some people are too thick to get that, but I figured you'd at least understand what I was saying.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

The horror of being slowly digested alive in a huge acid-filled stomach.

 

[CGHJ]

ERg... dude, I love you but are you not reading?

I don't care about the Goldfish, it's that this really odd Fratboy thing is being performed for a bunch of elementary school kids for entertainment and many of them probably have goldfish as pets.

That's what I'm on about. I just think it's a really inappropriate thing to do for kids.

Maybe I'm too protective of kid's sensibilities, but I just can't imagine how this is an appropriate thing to do to entertain kids. It's not the goldfish I care about, it's the kids.

I mean, I get why some people are too thick to get that, but I figured you'd at least understand what I was saying.

I did, but my comments were funnier my way. This is all entertainment to me, I'm not really having a substantive discussion However your concern for the kids is equally sweet.

However, if the kids were really horrified, they shouldn't have packed the dam busses. In fact, the pastor was only going to swallow ONE goldfish originally, and had to swallow more because the kids WANTED to see him swallow the fish, so badly they got more people on the bus!

In fact, he's the one that's grossed out by it, the kids are cheering him on! Kids can handle a lot more than you think. They would no doubt be bemused by your concern for their mental health. "Mister," they'd say, "It's just a fish you silly!"

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

"Mister," they'd say, "It's just a fish you silly!"

Which isn't really what I think kids should be learning in Bible School.

but hey... we're not going to agree on this.

 

[spooger]

Finally someone who gets it.

This thread has been like calling 911 to say that there's a gang of kids with baseball bats assembling outside your house and being told by the operator "Oh don't be silly.. my 8 year old son has a baseball bat, are you scared of him too?"

It's not the act itself, it's the context with which it's presented.

But I've noticed a pretty huge disconnection with reality in American culture since I moved here.

excuse me ... don't you make a living by pandering to that disconnect from reality? how many times have you said in so many words that porn isn't real ... don't guide one's relations or expectations by what is seen in porn? it IS fantasy, after all??!!

and do you not think that "disconnection" exists in the culture you came from? and practically all others?

I think you're laboring a point just to cover an initial gotcha attitude just because this is a christian group ... if it weren't you would probably not even have noticed .... just MY OPINION based on observation of your past behavior

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

excuse me ... don't you make a living by pandering to that disconnect from reality? how many times have you said in so many words that porn isn't real ... don't guide one's relations or expectations by what is seen in porn? it IS fantasy, after all??!!

and do you not think that "disconnection" exists in the culture you came from? and practically all others?

I think you're laboring a point just to cover an initial gotcha attitude just because this is a christian group ... if it weren't you would probably not even have noticed .... just MY OPINION based on observation of your past behavior

OK, I've read this five times and I can't figure out what the fuck you're talking about.

Although it's nice to know that people still think bringing up what I do for a living is a way to win an argument.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Oh come on, Jasun. Of all the things you've seen, done, and experienced in your life, you're traumatized and upset about a man eating goldfish in front of kids?

Please.. It was entertainment. By that virtue, you should be offended by the movie Jackass.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Oh come on, Jasun. Of all the things you've seen, done, and experienced in your life, you're traumatized and upset about a man eating goldfish in front of kids?

Et tu? Did reading comprehension disappear or something? I said when I was a little boy I probably would have been traumatized by that. Now I just think it's lame.

Please.. It was entertainment.

My point exactly. Don't you think kids being entertained by that in a church is.. kinda fucked?

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

Finally someone who gets it.

Gets what? How silly this is? Out of all the various reasons to hate Christians, you had to nail them for this? Do you have brain damage? I know there's some weird rites out there, but Christianity is tame compared to just about everybody else; compare peyote buttons, rocket launching for manhood, male teen-age circumcision. Hell, there's even the sun dance, which involves mutilation. And you're frothing about...eating live fish.

Seriously: Eating live fish? I'm dumb-founded. Even PETA wouldn't have been as crazy to attack them, and you have exceeded them. Um....Congratulations?

This thread has been like calling 911 to say that there's a gang of kids with baseball bats assembling outside your house and being told by the operator "Oh don't be silly.. my 8 year old son has a baseball bat, are you scared of him too?"

No; this thread has been more like calling 911 to say that a gang of kids are attacking each other with water pistols and they're in danger of drowning. GET OUT HERE NOW BEFORE SOMEONE DIES! Get over it. As has been pointed out, this is arguably one of the tamer food fetishes and it was done as a one-time thing. You want food fetishes that really suck? Go to China. Yeesh...

It's not the act itself, it's the context with which it's presented.

What context? You do something really cool, we'll do something really weird. I've seen worse motivational techniques...

Yeesh...this is just so lame. I really hope something more interesting comes up...

RG

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Out of all the various reasons to hate Christians,

Where in this thread did I say I hate Christians?

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Maybe he was thinking about the thread title? Bit of a reach though.

oh I always get a kick out of the threads where people decide to intentionally misunderstand what I'm saying so they can get into it with me.

I ignore most of them because it's so painfully obvious and they're so painfully bad at it.

I mean, look at the warblings of Sultan in this thread... it's kinda sad.