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NSA data mining

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One hop, two hops, three hops a dollar
All for further cover-up stand up and holler
And it's all still just metadata (which the government could legally use all of it if it wanted to) until it is turned over to the FBI and they pursue the legal means to identify callers. The article also draws an inaccurate parallel to friend on Facebook. Whereas a person may have hundreds of friends on Facebook with whom they rarely if ever communicate, they will have far fewer people they actually talk to on the phone. So the volume of information that they try to tie in with the Facebook parallel is much smaller than were someone to three hop through your Facebook friends list.

Obama, in a stunning gesture to quiet surveillance critics, has announced that James Clapper - he of being "least untruthful" to Congress renown - will lead an "independent" review of surveillance issues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/13/james-clapper_n_3748431.html

Whatever.
Obama said he would "establish" a group, not "lead" the group. The DNI is the government official charged with the operations of the intelligence community. Someone in the government must establish (or if you will, sponsor) a group of non-government experts to review classified government information. It's a like in a private company. The CEO doesn't personally establish and run an independent review of the company's finances - the CFO handles that.

Obama changed his mind, or rather, someone did it for him.

http://news.yahoo.com/-dni-clapper-won’t-control-spying-review--white-house--194607489.html

Instead, Clapper will "facilitate," which sounds suspiciously like doing the same thing as helping Congress out. We know how well that worked.
I think the article clearly states the obvious here for anyone who can read and comprehend:

“The panel members are being selected by the White House, in consultation with the Intelligence Community,” National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said in a statement emailed to Yahoo News.

“The Review Group will be made up of independent outside experts. The DNI’s role is one of facilitation, and the Group is not under the direction of or led by the DNI,” Hayden said. “The members require security clearances and access to classified information so they need to be administratively connected to the government, and the DNI’s office is the right place to provide that. The review process and findings will be the Group’s.”

President Barack Obama and Clapper each issued separate memos on Monday saying that the DNI would set up the group. But neither explicitly said who would choose its members.

Now, it is explicitly stated that the White House would choose the members. End of story, end of new conspiracy.
 
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Tuesday's clarification of Clapper's role is an obvious walk-back from Friday's disingenuous announcement.
 
Re: NSA data mining shared with the DEA

Tuesday's clarification of Clapper's role is an obvious walk-back from Friday's disingenuous announcement.
Or an obvious clarification of his role for those who find fault in everything Obama does and a conspiracy around every turn. Either way, I don't see how it's disingenuous when the fact that a review board being set up is not in question. We need to get the fall TV seasons started up here soon so people will have something to occupy their time instead of making up "monsters under the bed, government in the closet" scenarios to scare everyone.
 
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Tiger fan you are working way too hard for something you think is so trivial.
 
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I thought this was an interesting read regarding the potential legality of it all.

This “to be sure” is one for the ages. Far from authorizing the warrantless fishing expeditions into millions of records, Congress in amending Section 215 meant explicitly to forbid what the Justice Department now seeks to justify. As the Electronic Privacy Information Center notes in a brief filed last week with the Supreme Court, both Congressional supporters and opponents of Section 215 explicitly interpreted the “relevance” language to limit bulk collection of data, not to permit it. On July 17, during a House judiciary committee hearing, Representative James Sensenbrenner, the author of section 215, said that Congress amended the law in 2006 to impose the relevance requirement in “an attempt to limit what the intelligence community could be able to get pursuant to Section 215.” And during the debate over the 2006 amendments, Sen. Ron Wyden and others stressed that the relevance standard would address “concerns about government ‘fishing expeditions.’”

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114276/obama-surveillance-comments-dishonesty-isnt-only-problem
 
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I thought this was an interesting read regarding the potential legality of it all.



http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114276/obama-surveillance-comments-dishonesty-isnt-only-problem

Thanks for posting.

- - - Updated - - -

A penetrating analysis of the data available to NSA and why the search parameters can be narrowed to a very small portion of total internet traffic.



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/13/nsa-internet-traffic-surveillance

Thanks for a good read
 
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I thought this was an interesting read regarding the potential legality of it all.



http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114276/obama-surveillance-comments-dishonesty-isnt-only-problem

This article is very enlightening and thought provoking. Imagine if a right wing administration said it was okay to do bulk data collections on homosexuals because somewhere in all that data "there may be individual data elements that are, in fact, relevant" to finding a pedophile? Its okay its only metadata after all.
 
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I thought this was an interesting read regarding the potential legality of it all.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114276/obama-surveillance-comments-dishonesty-isnt-only-problem

This article is very enlightening and thought provoking. Imagine if a right wing administration said it was okay to do bulk data collections on homosexuals because somewhere in all that data "there may be individual data elements that are, in fact, relevant" to finding a pedophile? Its okay its only metadata after all.
First off, for the pedophile argument, the 215 authorities have been granted for terrorism related investigations, not for finding pedophiles. Second, Congress was sent information on the bulk collection programs in 2009 and 2011. They could have easily clarified their stance and specified exactly what could and couldn't be collected and when. They didn't. So the proof isn't there that Congress didn't intend for this to be allowed. If a know terrorist is calling someone in the US, then the entire set of calls made into the US is relevant to finding out who that person called. If the person who was called in the US is a terrorist or consorting with terrorists, then the entire subset of calls made from that person within the US is relevant to the investigation of who that person called. This point, made in contrast with the bulk collection of library or medical records, is called out here. The white paper makes sense if you read it instead of letting a news organization do the reading and interpretation for you.

A penetrating analysis of the data available to NSA and why the search parameters can be narrowed to a very small portion of total internet traffic.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/13/nsa-internet-traffic-surveillance
Is that really penetrating? Because it doesn't seem so. They can't even seem to define what "touch the data" means. They address metadata, yet this program they're doing their "in-depth" analysis on is actually the FAA 702 program, not the 215 program. Additionally, the 702 program for internet data is used against foreign targets, not domestic targets, which the NSA has authorization to do without a court order, which they get anyway. This is explained in more depth here.

Since they can't define what "touch" means, it would be more relevant to deal with the data that NSA analysts actually look at, which is 0.00004% of daily internet data, or 0.073PB of information (or 73 terrabytes of information.) The information for that is also available in the above link on page 6.
 
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Well, we knew this was coming ...

NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...10e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html (an exhaustive article)

And, FISC oversight is somewhat limited:

The leader of the secret court that is supposed to provide critical oversight of the government’s vast spying programs said that its ability to do so is limited and that it must trust the government to report when it improperly spies on Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...8c8c44-05cd-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html
 
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Yeah we did know it was coming since I read it yesterday (along with the supporting documentation they provided.) And I'll tell you that the supporting documents don't at all paint the picture that the WP paints in their "interpretation" of the attached documents. For instance, the charts on pages 5 and 6 of the reports clearly show that the VAST majority of these incidents were from "roamer" situations where the NSA was targeting a valid foreign target that then popped up in the US, keeping in mind that EO 12333 prevents the NSA from targeting people who are in the US, regardless of whether they are a citizen or a foreigner. They also commented in the article about numerous serious infractions, but reading through the report there were only 2 significant issues of non-compliance mentioned - data found in a database on development machines (I'm assuming where they develop the tools and run data through to test them) and an incident of a US green card holder not being de-tasked when it was found he was a green card holder. Hardly the surveillance of millions of Americans. While the report refers to various appendices for complete detail on these cases, the Washington Post has not provided the appendices for us to read.

I also noted the article seemed to play loose with the information given. I'm assuming this is because they don't expect most readers to actually read the documentation. For instance, they used the following quote in the article as support of their claim that this information is more detailed than what is given to the intelligence agencies:

The documents, provided earlier this summer to The Washington Post by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, include a level of detail and analysis that is not routinely shared with Congress or the special court that oversees surveillance. In one of the documents, agency personnel are instructed to remove details and substitute more generic language in reports to the Justice Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

As you can see, they are making a claim that this is more detail than Congress receives by summarizing this training document as telling people to cut out details, when if you read the document, you'll see that the information is not classified in the reporting tool so they tell them to leave out extraneous information to seemingly avoid putting classified information in there. They also state this later in the article on page 3:

Members of Congress may read the unredacted documents, but only in a special secure room, and they are not allowed to take notes. Fewer than 10 percent of lawmakers employ a staff member who has the security clearance to read the reports and provide advice about their meaning and significance.

I think that is also telling that certain members of Congress like to complain they're not kept informed, yet they don't even take the steps of getting their staff cleared to view this information they want to see.

In the very next quote, they state, without providing any supporting documentation at all:

In one instance, the NSA decided that it need not report the unintended surveillance of Americans. A notable example in 2008 was the interception of a “large number” of calls placed from Washington when a programming error confused the U.S. area code 202 for 20, the international dialing code for Egypt, according to a “quality assurance” review that was not distributed to the NSA’s oversight staff.

Yet in a different article by the WP, they expand on the fact that metadata only was collected and not the "interception of calls", which metadata collection was authorized by the court, so it was indeed not something that had to be reported as an infraction of the rules.

Here's another little jewel they hide away in the article:

The documents provided by Snowden offer only glimpses of those questions. Some reports make clear that an unauthorized search produced no records. But a single “incident” in February 2012 involved the unlawful retention of 3,032 files that the surveillance court had ordered the NSA to destroy, according to the May 2012 audit. Each file contained an undisclosed number of telephone call records.

So even though an incident among the "thousands of violations of privacy rules" yields no results (indicating it would seem that data is actually not collected on Americans), it's still counted as an incident. So while the number may be 2,200 (keeping in mind this is a compliance report, meaning it encompasses violations of anything, including internal NSA rules or standard procedures), it would seem that what the NSA considers an incident isn't what normal people would consider an incident (i.e. they fat fingered a phone number and heard all of my phone conversations.) Additionally, incidents like the one described at the end, where old data was found on development servers, are fairly common across any enterprise (old data left on development machines) and, while it should be remedied immediately upon discovery, isn't some insidious plot to collect and retain data on people.

I especially love this comment though:

The NSA uses the term “incidental” when it sweeps up the records of an American while targeting a foreigner or a U.S. person who is believed to be involved in terrorism. Official guidelines for NSA personnel say that kind of incident, pervasive under current practices, “does not constitute a . . . violation” and “does not have to be reported” to the NSA inspector general for inclusion in quarterly reports to Congress. Once added to its databases, absent other restrictions, the communications of Americans may be searched freely.

If you read the "What's a violation" document, you'll see that incidental doesn't cover collecting records of an American, but instead covers collection of communications from a foreign target that contains information or is to/from a US person. In that case, the document states that the information concerning the US person should be removed and the foreign target should be the focus of the reporting. And it's not considered a violation because there are court approved minimization procedures in place for this exact purpose (they were leaked earlier, remember?) and so you're not violating a court order or policy because that exact situation is accounted for in the court order and policy. The last line is yet another example of WP's editorial contributions to make everything seem so malicious and that is actually a complete lie, given that the rest of the article and linked documentation is about NSA compliance reporting. They state earlier in the article that these reported violations can involve searches of US person data, yet then turn around and say the data can be searched freely. It's not the case that both can be true. You can either search freely or you can search and violate the regulations and laws.

I like the quote at the end from NSA the best though:

“I realize you can read those words a certain way,” said the high-ranking NSA official who spoke with White House authority, but the instructions were not intended to withhold information from auditors. “Think of a book of individual recipes,” he said. Each target “has a short, concise description,” but that is “not a substitute for the full recipe that follows, which our overseers also have access to.”

While the point being made is that the WP obtained the summary document without the details document that went with it which Congress does get, it also basically sums up the WP's summary of the documents and the exclusion of other documents they claim to have that they don't provide us. They provide us concise summaries of what they view to be important (usually mixed in with their own opinions), but don't provide us the full recipe to draw our own conclusions.
 
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@tigerfan - You mount a defense that seems beyond the ken of the Administration.

One abiding question is why Obama's statements show him to be so clueless; at the least he should be aware that he speaks from quicksand. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ort-proving-him-liar-was-leaked-as-well.shtml

Quicksand is an appropriate analogy when considering that the entire defence of the NSAs snooping activities on United States citizens is floundering in reams of words, filled with empty rhetoric attempting to conceal -without success - the desperate attempts of the NSAs apologists to divert attention to other much less contentious issues......
 
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@tigerfan - You mount a defense that seems beyond the ken of the Administration.

The administration's arguments crumble further every week.

This week, we learned that an internal audit of the NSA shows that it violates court orders and its own policies several thousand times every year.

There doesn't appear to be any real supervision of that agency.


One abiding question is why Obama's statements show him to be so clueless; at the least he should be aware that he speaks from quicksand. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ort-proving-him-liar-was-leaked-as-well.shtml

Obama has fumbled this spy scandal miserably and completely. He seems reluctant to provide the leadership that the spy agencies obviously require pretty desperately. He really does not seem to understand the situation - or why it is so important - in the least. Amazing cluelessness for a self-proclaimed professor of constitutional law.

What an embarrassment for the administration.
 
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"Tip of the iceberg":


"The executive branch has now confirmed that the rules, regulations and court-imposed standards for protecting the privacy of Americans have been violated thousands of times each year. We have previously said that the violations of these laws and rules were more serious than had been acknowledged, and we believe Americans should know that this confirmation is just the tip of a larger iceberg.

Looks like more to come.

It is time for some congressperson to get some cojones and take to the Floor of one of the Chambers.
 
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@tigerfan - You mount a defense that seems beyond the ken of the Administration.

One abiding question is why Obama's statements show him to be so clueless; at the least he should be aware that he speaks from quicksand. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ort-proving-him-liar-was-leaked-as-well.shtml
I get my information straight from the reports that are published and not from any news outlet's interpretation of what they mean. For instance, your link there to Tech Dirt already has two crossed out retractions in their article because they didn't "interpret" the information correctly. It hearkens back to my point that these news articles have a vested interest in making these stories as sensational as possible to either a) forward a position they have already on the situation or b) to entice readership and keep a news story going.

One thing I find funny is that the Washington Post didn't publish the appendices to the document they referenced. In the document, it clearly states details about these compliance violations are in the appendices, yet those were not provided to readers. Why is that? This seems to be a trend that news outlets will publish certain documents, not in their entirety, that seem to contain summaries that support their claims, yet omit the portions that provide details that very well could explain in more detail said claims and actually prove they aren't what is being surmised. Either way, I want to be able to read for myself this information instead on relying on the Washington Post or any other news outlet to interpret it for me.

I also take exception to the fact that many outlets rerunning recaps of this story pass this off as "thousand of violations of Americans' privacy" when the numbers in the actual report don't tell that at all. Of the 2,776 incidents reported, 1,904 of them were "roamers" compliance issues where the US was targeting valid foreign targets when they entered into the US. So in 69% of the cases, Americans weren't even involved in the compliance issues, which shoots those claims right out of the water. Additionally, there is no context in which these numbers are provided. The appendices of the report were not provided by the WP. There are no aggregate numbers to compare to. If 3,000 activities happened and 2,776 of those were compliance incidents, there is a cause to worry. If 1 million activities happened and 2,776 of those were compliance incidents, then that is a completely different story.

Quicksand is an appropriate analogy when considering that the entire defence of the NSAs snooping activities on United States citizens is floundering in reams of words, filled with empty rhetoric attempting to conceal -without success - the desperate attempts of the NSAs apologists to divert attention to other much less contentious issues......
You keep calling them snooping activities on US citizens and have yet to show that they are. What you describe is actually the position you've taken (empty rhetoric, no facts to back up your claims, etc.). There is plenty of information in these reports if you take the time to read them. There would be plenty more if these news organizations released the full set of supporting documents instead of those that, when taken out of context in their articles, support their position.

For those unable to follow all of the articles being published concerning these latest NSA revelations, the Electronic Frontier Foundation has published the key takeaways.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/...rt-detailing-thousands-privacy-violations-nsa
Going back to what I said earlier, this article starts off in the first paragraph saying that these reports show thousands of violations of American's privacy, when in fact they actually don't show that. They show 2200 compliance violations which could include anything from fat fingering a search to maintaining surveillance on a valid foreign target once they enter the US. It also includes all non-human based compliance issues as well (such as the requirement to keep certain data in a certain database and that data actually being put by a script into another database.)

They also claim that there is a secret court with no power to stop them, which is also not true since the FISC has all of the power to stop them. The article they referenced, which was actually itself misleading, said that the court didn't have the resources to monitor on a day-to-day basis what the NSA does. The part of that article I found most appalling was the insertion of the WP's own verbage into a quote to make it sound as if the chief judge of the FISC was directing his comments only towards the NSA and the FISC, when in reality, he was speaking of all courts. The quote was:

“The FISC is forced to rely upon the accuracy of the information that is provided to the Court,” its chief, U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton, said in a written statement to The Washington Post. “The FISC does not have the capacity to investigate issues of noncompliance, and in that respect the FISC is in the same position as any other court when it comes to enforcing [government] compliance with its orders.”

Notice the bolded word that the WP put in themselves. What the judge described was what every court faces with dealing with the enforcement of any of their orders. When a judge imposes a sentence on someone, the court doesn't have the resources to enforce said sentence. They rely on the justice system to do so. When a court imposes certain statutory or regulatory requirements on a person or group of people, they don't have the manpower to enforce and verify compliance so they rely on the various regulatory authorities to do so. And when the court orders NSA to follow certain procedures in a court order, they don't have the staff to stand there and watch them all day in everything they do. They order that NSA's compliance officers, along with their OGC and OIG and the Justice Department to monitor compliance and report any incidents. It's a very basic concept.

The rest of their article claims that "the documents" make all of these claims, yet it's the actual Washington Post article they quote and not the information from the documents themselves, which is at best, deceptive journalism.
 
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For those unable to follow all of the articles being published concerning these latest NSA revelations, the Electronic Frontier Foundation has published the key takeaways.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/...rt-detailing-thousands-privacy-violations-nsa

Thanks for that.

The EFF is probably the best source for legal considerations concerning the internet. That's a great summary of some of the latest information.

Of interest is the FISA court's statement that it cannot and does not police the NSA. While that should be obvious, I don't think most people appreciate that our spy agencies are operating without any real outside supervision. Even the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is supposed to oversee the NSA, did not know about the NSA's internal audit. The committee had to get the audit from The Washington Post!

That's beyond ridiculous.



"Tip of the iceberg":

Looks like more to come.

The 2,776 violations during 2012 occurred at a single NSA facility (Ft. Meade, Maryland). There are undoubtedly many thousands more violations occurring every year, nationwide.



It is time for some congressperson to get some cojones and take to the Floor of one of the Chambers.

It is ridiculous to depend on an agency of any kind to regulate itself. As the NSA's own audit reveals, it has been lying to Congress about its own activities, and hiding from Congress its activity. Some sort of regulatory framework needs to be set up to keep these people under control.

It is becoming quite clear that Ed Snowden has done this nation an enormous service. A rather large portion of our federal government has been out of control for some time now, and no one was allowed to point that out to us.

Now, we need to do something about it.
 
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