Obama Delivers Ideological Knockout to GOP

[Lostlover]

This was Barack Obama at his best.

Thoughtful, serious, intelligent, agile, indignant, persuasive.

At his press conference Monday, he shredded Republican arguments against the stimulus package and made the best case by a President in decades for affirmative government intervention in the economy.

http://www.progressive.org/mag/wx021009.html


Last night truly was Obama at his best. And the crucial part to his Q&A was attacking and abusing the broken Republican ideology to fix things by cutting taxes.

More aggressive Obama, please.

 

[gewhite3]

I agree with you 100% and it was good to see.

 

[smelter]

^ I thought he did great also, but we've yet to hear from the legion of Obama detractors leader ...... we could have been duped and are too dumb to know it!


justapixel ....... are you there?

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to read as a legitimate source something called progressive.org, LOL. I'm sure they were very objective about the Sermon on the Big Amount (of money).

Sure, BO was very smoooooth. It was kind of like the campaign. He reminisced with the people who put him in the White House (press). They caught up on old times. He visited with an old white woman before she died (no...not his grandmother...but Helen Thomas). And he didn't do a goddamn thing to convince me or presumably any conservatives that this isn't a horrible idea.

This isn't ideological on the Democrats side, it's political...and it isn't political on the conservatives side...it's ideological. I want to see the President succeed and the country succeed on turning around the economy. Just not on this bill.

 

[justapixel]

^ I thought he did great also, but we've yet to hear from the legion of Obama detractors leader ...... we could have been duped and are too dumb to know it!


justapixel ....... are you there?

We already discuss Obama's speech last night in another thread. I dont want to say the same old thing over and over again.

 

[gaypiper]

I thought it was thrilling that: (a) he spoke in complete sentences, and; (b) that he actually gave a press conference. Let's give the guy a chance fer chrissakes

 

[PabloZed]

Paul Volcker is credited with saving the US economy during the worst recession previous to this one. During the campaign I researched the economy from the Ford administration to the Reagan Administration and the US experienced both rising unemployment and rising inflation as well as high interest rates, a poisonous combination. Because of President Clinton and his economic team, including Larry Summers, most of us are not familiar with stagflation, but in the 1970's -80's interest rates were over 20% and unemployment hit 10%. Think about that. We are at 7.6% unemployment but interest rates are relatively low.

Volcker was was not acting alone, but his policies at the Fed cut interest rates which helped jump start the economy. I think most economists will tell you that recessions are natural and necessary. An economy that keeps running will overheat like an engine. A recession helps restore balance and also helps retard inflation.

I am glad the President has someone advising him who has seen something close to what we are experiencing.

 

[Lostlover]

That didn't seem like a very flattering article to me.

While it's nice to finally see him strap on his balls, the author raised some good points.

The thing that bothered me the most was knowing that he has Paul Volker and Lawrence Summers on his staff.

The article says Volker intentionally engineered the recession during Carter's Administration, and Lawrence pushed for the abolition of the Glass-Steagall Act..

Why on earth would he take advise from any of these people?

It wasn't a flattering article which gives credence to the author IMHO.

But what Obama can do is send the Republican economic ideology to hell with it's memory lost founder Ronald Regan.

Straight to hell with Reagan.

 

[Lostlover]

Paul Volcker is credited with saving the US economy during the worst recession previous to this one. During the campaign I researched the economy from the Ford administration to the Reagan Administration and the US experienced both rising unemployment and rising inflation as well as high interest rates, a poisonous combination. Because of President Clinton and his economic team, including Larry Summers, most of us are not familiar with stagflation, but in the 1970's -80's interest rates were over 20% and unemployment hit 10%. Think about that. We are at 7.6% unemployment but interest rates are relatively low.

Volcker was was not acting alone, but his policies at the Fed cut interest rates which helped jump start the economy. I think most economists will tell you that recessions are natural and necessary. An economy that keeps running will overheat like an engine. A recession helps restore balance and also helps retard inflation.

I am glad the President has someone advising him who has seen something close to what we are experiencing.

Nice post.

But right now our interest rates are near zero. Not much left in that bag to bring out.

I do agree though that surrounding yourself with the best and brightest is a good start. (Thing about Bush's situation. Cheney, his VP, said that "deficits don't matter" and this ludicrous statement was backed up by Phil Gramm who has his PhD in economics).

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

I thought it was thrilling that: (a) he spoke in complete sentences, and; (b) that he actually gave a press conference. Let's give the guy a chance fer chrissakes

I'm willing to give him a chance on a lot of things. I'm hopeful that he'll do well with foreign policy. And he'll probably bring a refreshing feel to the Oval Office. But when I disagree with him, I'll say it. I'm not going to give him a chance when I think it's a disaster like I do with the "stimulus" scheme. I didn't agree with Bush and Paulsen and the $700B bank bailout, and I'm disappointed when the Republicans controlled Congress and couldn't control spending.

It wasn't a flattering article which gives credence to the author IMHO.

But what Obama can do is send the Republican economic ideology to hell with it's memory lost founder Ronald Regan.

Straight to hell with Reagan.

WTF? You can't say that you didn't agree with Reaganomics without disparaging a guy because of his Alzheimer's...and then say that a dead guy should go straight to hell? This is the type of rhetoric that we don't need around here.

 

[techboywi]

was kind of like the campaign. He reminisced with the people who put him in the White House (press).

The press didn't win the election for Obama.. Sarah Palin, and McCain's horrible performance and attitude in the first two debates won the election for him

 

[Apollo]

The press didn't win the election for Obama.. Sarah Palin, and McCain's horrible performance and attitude in the first two debates won the election for him

I sadly have to somewhat agree with you. A lot of people agreed with Obama's policies and ideology.

But if it wasn't for McCain/Palin, the win wouldn't have been as big. He still would have won though. McCain started looking like a creepy old man by the end of it all.

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

The press didn't win the election for Obama.. Sarah Palin, and McCain's horrible performance and attitude in the first two debates won the election for him

I agree with Mike...plus I was more referring to Obama's win over Hillary, which wouldn't have happened without the press.

 

[darkn3ss]

I love it when people say that tax cuts don't work. They refuse to learn from history. Hoover and FDR spent like crazy, and the US wallowed in misery for a decade. Japan passed eight "stimulus packages" in the 1990s, and it didn't help them a bit. Ronald Reagan cut taxes, and we recovered from one of the greatest disasters to strike our country, Jimmy Carter.

And just because a few Republicans ran up the deficit over the past eight years doesn't mean we all agreed with it.

 

[Lostlover]

I'm willing to give him a chance on a lot of things. I'm hopeful that he'll do well with foreign policy. And he'll probably bring a refreshing feel to the Oval Office. But when I disagree with him, I'll say it. I'm not going to give him a chance when I think it's a disaster like I do with the "stimulus" scheme. I didn't agree with Bush and Paulsen and the $700B bank bailout, and I'm disappointed when the Republicans controlled Congress and couldn't control spending.



WTF? You can't say that you didn't agree with Reaganomics without disparaging a guy because of his Alzheimer's...and then say that a dead guy should go straight to hell? This is the type of rhetoric that we don't need around here.

Reagan can go straight to hell. He's probably there right now.

What the fuck was he thinking about with "trickle down" bullshit.

Fuck that. We've had enough brainless presidents for a life time. He started it and Bush ended it.

We're still paying for the race baiter's "trickle down".

 

[NickCole]

Reagan can go straight to hell. He's probably there right now.

What the fuck was he thinking about with "trickle down" bullshit.

Fuck that. We've had enough brainless presidents for a life time. He started it and Bush ended it.

We're still paying for the race baiter's "trickle down".

That's interesting because Obama is a lot like Reagan.