Obama doesn't deserve reelection

[Ambrocious]

Ambrocious, turn the flame down on the extremism why don't you...

Im sorry man...the truth is extreme isn't it? Sorry for the tripple posting, if this can be added to my last post any admin or mod, please do this rather than delete this post. Thanks.

 

[opinterph]

Hey opinterph … What next?

I think you are well aware that we have discussed this issue previously.

As for it being copyright material...Alex Jones ENCOURAGES people to share his DVD's AND copy them for FREE! So …

If he wants his material to be in the public domain, he should make that matter clear on his website, rather than declaring copyright.

 

[Ambrocious]

I think you are well aware that we have discussed this issue previously.


If he wants his material to be in the public domain, he should make that matter clear on his website, rather than declaring copyright.

I have written to [Email address: Removed by Moderator] and requested permission to appease you. When permission is verified in writing and video will you back off or will there be a new excuse? I understand you want to do things legally but you and others have crossed the line. We have talked and each time you find loop holes. Have you considered being a lawyer?

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I don't necessarily think he deserves to get elected either.

But I'll still vote for him again. Because he's still better than anything the tin foil hat brigade on display in this thread can barf up.

 

[Ambrocious]

The problem is that you spam up functional discussions with hyperventilating conspiracy theory that really has very little factual basis, and that which has factual basis you make such hyperbole as to be completely illogical. Those long winded and irrelevant posts belong in their own threads should you choose to post them. You have the right to post anything you want to within the bounds of the law and what the mod staff deems as appropriate for the forum, but I don't see that right to distract from other discussions which is either an attempt to hijack or derail a thread by drawing attention to those things which I have already said.

So you don't like long winded responses and you don't like hyperbole. OK, I could keep it simple and short but people have accused me in the past for "lacking" on information. So what shall it be, more or less information? Or is the problem that I link to articles that seem blown out of proportions? Should I only post from places you love and know?

What in my comments were hyperbole and why is that? I present evidence with links, you like to criticize the links because they seem extreme. Is the information wrong though? For example I could say it like this as if I were a news reporter.


"Today President Obama signed into law a new Presidential Directive that continues Rendition. In other news, the snow came down hard in Washington and people are still digging out."


So, this is what happens to "unpopular" subjects: you hear less of them when it matters and you hear MORE of them as presented to YOU in a horrible way when it's convenient to them. Demonetization of something in an attempt make YOU the viewer is a tool of anyone but the truth is there, in between the lines. Where you see hyperbole, I see people who care about a loss of freedoms that you seem to give a care less about. You along with millions of other people have been taught and trained to see the world in the way that you do because of constant and continues propaganda via the news agencies. It's a simple and subtle way and a very effective tool that will craft your mind threw strong opinions. Once the news fails to be honest or tell a straight story, they simply say "So what" as if it wasn't important and as if they never lied. I know this because I once fell for the crap. I can see just fine now and I am so glad.

Tune out of CNN and FOX and take a gander at alternative news for change and do some personal investigation. Slander and angry remarks as well as legal loop holes will not be acceptable when the truth really comes out. So go ahead and push forward inside your pretty left/right paradigm. You will find out the truth also. The truth cannot be stopped, only slowed down and made to look bad. In the end though, the truth always prevails.

 

[Ambrocious]

It's clear that you missed my point completely.

No I got it, I got it...you don't like something that sounds too fake to be true. Good motto. We all know that anything that sounds like a conspiracy theory shouldn't even be given the chance to be talked about. It's just a bunch of crazy nonsense. People who believe that kind of stuff need help really bad.

Am I close to your thoughts on what you believe?


Oh and let me not forget to post that you think that long posts should be in their own topic. Sorry I have polluted the topic with my hyperbole dude.

 

[Ambrocious]

No. That wasn't the point at all.

It's remarkable that you still remain clueless as to what the majority of the post was speaking about.

Very well then, refer to my first post and from there we can examine the conflict that ensued up until now. I posted the reasons why I thought he shouldn't be the President anymore and of course why he shouldn't be re-elected. Treason is a pretty harsh reason one might think.

So, back on topic. You have any reason why he shouldn't be re-elected?

 

[NickCole]

Finally, Americans understand that they have elected another Jimmy Carter

Care to explain what exactly that statement says about him for those of us who aren't old?

And aren't educated.

Do you know only about Presidencies that happened during your lifetime?

And were we honestly supposed to instead vote for someone who would continue the stripping away of the American peoples' civil rights that we've endured the last 8 years?

"The last 8 years" sounds so much like Obama, when the truth is Obama has been President the last year.

ObamaNation likes to pretend the past year didn't even happen, they're still in the "we inherited" mode because they can't point to anything to say legitimately, "we achieved."

If only this all hadn't been so predictable.

 

[NickCole]

I don't really see much in common between Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. I admire Carter a lot, especially for his work with Habitat for Humanity. Even though I voted for Obama, I see him and his gang now as a bunch of DINOs (Democrats in Name Only) and bending over for the right and the entrenched big-money interests. Carter didn't do that. I am honestly hoping that Obama does not run for a second term, or at least that a challenger who truly represents the left will defeat him in the primaries.

For starters there's their economic policies failing to create jobs. That's sort of a biggie.

 

[Ambrocious]

And aren't educated.

Do you know only about Presidencies that happened during your lifetime?






"The last 8 years" sounds so much like Obama, when the truth is Obama has been President the last year.

ObamaNation likes to pretend the past year didn't even happen, they're still in the "we inherited" mode because they can't point to anything to say legitimately, "we achieved."

If only this all hadn't been so predictable.

Hey, you know what makes them more mad than anything, those lovers of slavery? When you post links with information to real evidence of wrong doing. Seriously, go and look at how many times my posts were "modified" for breaking TOS (They trap themselves really because they can't post freely either). That's why I'm considered a "conspiracy theorist". People refuse to believe anything that sounds crazy simply because it must not be true...nothing that sounds this crazy can be true...right?

Continue on with telling the truth, I appreciate it. Let all those others out there who enjoy that warm fuzzy feeling inside when they hear Obama speak have their day of happy good feelings. They will see it all in the future.

 

[NickCole]

Many liberals and moderates now disapprove of Obama as well.

Obama gets a D+ for his first year BUT judgment of his first term (and re-election worthiness) should be held off at least until his third year in office.

Obama must and is moving center. Anyone of either the liberal, conservative or statist ideology is a threat to liberty. Obama can be an effective leader if he stays centrist or libertarian. He must be a pillar not bending to any extreme. Clinton did this and was extremely successful.

Is he? With which policy or legislative proposal has he moved to the center?

 

[Ambrocious]

Obama is about false hope. Before I woke up to what was really going on, I actually cried with joy when Obama made it as the President. I was hoping either Him or Hillary would win because we have never had a woman as President and we have never had a black man as President.

One day out of the blue I was talking with a friend on the internet and he showed me "The Obama Deception" and I couldn't believe it and so I went through that film and Googled everything that I thought was a lie. I couldn't disprove it.

I still didn't want to believe that this kind of stuff could be real and so I got pissed off and tore up the net looking to disprove it, watching his other films to see if they were just conspiracy theories because they sure as hell sounded like that. I found out in June of 2009 just how much of it was fake though.

Too often I'm laughed at for posting the links but the truth is, many people are waking up and finding out it's real. After seeing "Fall of the Republic" I had a very clear image of where I stood and how the world now stood too. Obama continues to be a puppet. His promises that he made before he was elected could not all come to pass because he is not the true ruler of the United States. The financial institutes of the world hold power Over Obama, this is a fact. Many other world leaders are in the same situation. It's not just Obama.

Obama's best bet in assuring true liberty in America is to absolutely defy his masters (if you think I'm spewing hyperbole, go back to sleep) and come out with the absolute truth. Go out on national TV and tell the truth about everything that was covered up and conspired about. If he does this, he will have proven to be a decent president who had the courage to be honest.

I feel sorry for Obama...I would hate to be the President to begin with. Knowing that the buck doesn't stop with the President always makes me wonder just how much of reality is reality and just how much unknown stuff goes on behind the curtain that we will never know about. The average person would go crazy if they knew even a small segment of reality, that's why for the sake of mental preservation, denial is their drug. For you who don't believe my posts and think I must be ill, I ask you to look deeper but proceed with caution please.

 

[Ambrocious]

^Forgive me for saying so, but you strike me as awfully impressionable. I wonder if I made a documentary about Alex Jones called The Alex Jones Deception would it sway you.

Alex Jones isn't playing with a full deck. This is the man who implied America is destined for doom because of homosexuality.

OK please show me where he said this. I have been listening to him for about a year now and thus far I have heard him talk about gays and lesbians maybe twice. His views on gays and lesbians over all sounded not so much like bashing, but like many people, gays and lesbians have a whole individual set of "pre programming" shoved towards them from just about everyone who would tell us what we should do and think and feel. Much like a jock would be pre programmed to work out and play football, so too are gays pre programmed with character traits on how we are "generally" meant to act in any situation.

Forgive me for breaking the mold here but I will not be told by and straight man or woman or by any gay man or woman on how I am suppose to act. I have a free mind and I chose to listen to lies most of my life and when I listened to what Alex talked about it pissed me the hell off. I went out to disprove him as I said and now I hold tremendous respect for that man because I realized in the heat of being mad that he would claim such horrific things that it was true.

One thing I would like you to do is post a link to his comments of "anti gay" remarks so we can see what he has said. The only thing that made me slightly on the defense was when he was on the subject of kids being removed from their parents and lots of them would go to gay and lesbian parents. His attack wasn't towards the gays or the lesbians in case you didn't notice, it was towards the Child Protection Services. The child protection services are not as guiltless as you may think however because they (not all) have been involved in rape rings and the such (Google DynCorp).


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTa04c5eMuY"]Children And Woman Trafficked Through DynCorp [/ame]


Oh and an answer to your "Alex Jones Deception" I would like to see that. I am assuming it's gonna be a hit piece where you snip clips together or you catch him in a rant where he looks like a mad man. Go ahead, amuse me.



One more thing, if you didn't like Bush, go watch TerrorStorm, it was done when he was in office [2006]. Go on...take a peak.

You might also like ENDGAME which was done in 2007.

 

[NickCole]

Working with Republicans on a nuclear power initiative would be very centrist.

Not just centrist but "very centrist."

Wow. That's impressive.

What makes something very centrist as opposed to centrist?



But aside from all that, Obama isn't "working with" Republicans. Some Republicans, when asked by the press to respond to this have said they support nuclear power but that this will not compel them to vote for Obama's energy bill. So that's not working with them to develop legislation or build concensus for legislation he wants, it's more campaign speeches.

And since you bring it up, Obama's acting like this is an original Obama proposal. It is not. Congressional approval for the proposal's financing has already passed -- in the Energy Policy Act of 2005. He's just trying to claim other people's work as his own and use it to fool people into believing he's "working with" Republicans and Democrats. Meanwhile, the parts of the plan that never were completed remain uncompleted, like the NRC never signed off on the reactor designs because to meet new terrorism standards the new designs jeopardize earthquake standards, and ObamaCo has, of course, not come up with any ideas for dealing with nuclear waste. Furthermore the CBO says the chance of default on these loan guarantees is 50%, which is another very bad gamble with taxpayer money, and negotiations about the fee involved has left the whole thing in stalemate for years. Obama offers no solutions or even suggestions for solutions to any of the problems, just another promise that magically something will happen. All of which means the jobs Obama claims this will create are years down the pike, if they materialize at all. All Obama did was yet again grab someone else's plan, pretend it's his, hold it up and say, "Hey look at this neat cool thing we're going to do for you!" as if he's "working with" Republicans. Obama isn't working with anybody, he's making speeches and campaigning.

Some Republicans, however, said that the announcement would have little effect on their votes.

Don Stewart, a spokesman for the Republican Senate leader, Mitch McConnell, said that Mr. McConnell had repeatedly praised Mr. Obama for favoring additional loan guarantees for nuclear power plants. But, he said, this would not translate into support for a cap on carbon dioxide emissions.

“It won’t cause Republicans to support the national energy tax,” Mr. Stewart said.

He added that Republican and Democratic ideas on energy policy overlapped in some areas, but that much of Mr. Obama’s energy program did not fall into those areas.

Robert Dillon, a spokesman for Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, said that she thought nuclear power was “a core component of a comprehensive energy plan,” but that she would vote on an energy bill as a whole.

“One or two provisions aren’t going to offset bad provisions,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/energy-environment/17nukes.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

 

[NickCole]

You're right, there's no difference between enlisting the help of a handful of the opposing party and getting almost consensus input on something. Muh bad.

What you're describing is bipartisanship, not a centrist ideology.

Do you even know what centrist means?

Note [Text: Removed by Moderator]: "Working with" someone politically can simply mean "getting their input on something."

I see. And from which Republicans did Obama "get their input" with this Nuclear power plant thingy?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, illiterate much? I used the conditional term would for a reason.

Yes ObamaNation uses "conditional terms" a lot. And I know the reason. Lots of talk and practically no actual achievement. Woulda coulda shoulda.

It's funny how you're blaming people for expecting Obama to wave a magic wand and make things happen, yet you seem to be the only one with this incredibly naive expectation.

Hardly. Not only do I not have the expectation Obama can or will wave a magic wand, I've been well aware from the beginning that he's long on seduction and excuses, and short on accomplishment.

 

[Knucklehead]

Do you have any recollection of what an utter failure Carter was when he was actually president? That is the Carter people are referring to, not the Carter that he has become.

Um, he probably has a much better recollection of Carters Presidency than you do.Especially seeing as you weren't even born yet.

But what does he know, he should listen to ''fiercely independent'' right wingers who can't afford gas and still live at home.

 

[hotatlboi]

Is he? With which policy or legislative proposal has he moved to the center?

Huh? That's been your entire argument in your previous rants, that he hasn't been moving fast enough to advance the progressive agenda.

Are you backpeddling now?

 

[NickCole]

Really? I wasn't aware that you couldn't use "centrist" to describe bipartisan legislation within the confines of Congress.

So in your world, there is no such thing as something leaning center, something dead in the center, and somewhere in between that. There are no shades of gray. Fascinating.

"Centrist" refers to ideology, a person's views being moderate.

"Bipartisan" refers to cooperation, agreement, compromise between two parties.

They don't mean the same thing and cannot be used interchangably.

You said yourself that this was originally a Republican proposal in 2005.

Actually I didn't say it was a Republican proposal, said only that the loan guarantee part of it was passed in 2005 and that the rest of the proposal remains a mess.

But that's beside the point. Reaching back to lift a bill passed five years ago is not "working with Republicans." It's 2010 and if Obama wants to work with Republicans he needs to work with Republicans in office today and address the energy bill he's proposing. Grabbing one proposal from five years ago, that's languished because of the major unresolved problems I detailed above, and dropping it into his energy bill without discussing it with Republicans is not working with anybody. It's a campaign speech, not a solution.

 

[NickCole]

Originally Posted by NickCole
Is he? With which policy or legislative proposal has he moved to the center?

Huh? That's been your entire argument in your previous rants, that he hasn't been moving fast enough to advance the progressive agenda.

Are you backpeddling now?

Yeah sure, when Obama is proving I've been right about him all along, what I'm going to do is start backpeddling.

Clearly my point flew way over your head.

 

[mbamike]

It is premature to make such judgement. The guy was handed a huge mess. It will take some time to work out all the issues. For now, at least he is trying. That is more I can say for George W. BTW, I'm a Repubilcan.