Obama doesn't deserve reelection

[Semirhage666]

Please. Your opinion is no more valuable on the issue than mine is. Just because you're a biologist (which I somehow doubt you are), doesn't mean that you're qualified to decide that a fetus is okay to be killed. Further, for every biologist that believes what you do, there's another that disagrees. There is no consensus on the issue.

And you actually brought up an interesting issue in one of your posts. If rights are only for the living, as you say, then why is it considered murder when a pregnant woman is killed and the baby either dies in the process or is killed themselves? Seems to me, if your argument actually held true, then the government has no right charging people with murder for beings that aren't considered 'alive'. In the same vein, why are mothers that take drugs while pregnant open to be charged if the baby is born with those drugs in their system? Why should anyone care if the fetus is exposed to drugs? In your thinking, they're not a living person, after all. (do you see what happens when your ridiculously stupid argument is taken to its logical end?)

I don't believe people SHOULD be charged for double murder in those cases.

 

[Semirhage666]

Right so that ties into my previous statement about eugenics.

If it's up to anybody than anybody is a target.

I would bet that there would be opponents of abortion willing to make the exception should the cause of homosexuality ever be discovered in the womb.

I wanted to mention a few anecdotes about targets for abortion but it slips my mind what they are. One related on the circumstances of Beethoven's birth and the fate of his previous siblings.

What you're thinking of is this:

If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who
were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had
syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?

If so, you just killed Beethoven.

I would absolutely recommend that she have an abortion. It's the sensible thing to do in those circumstances.

 

[Semirhage666]

How many people who proudly display the sign of satan respect life, especially that of our most vulnerable? Don't know if this applies to Semir... but satanic people hate themselves and life and project that onto to people they can easily harm. Their views on right to life and abortion don't surprise me. Further evidence extremists harm liberty and rights.

Ooh, so now I'm a Satanist.

I love how conservative Christians just assume that anyone more Liberal than them is automatically not a Christian.

I mean as Obama put so well, we can't have women being punished with a baby.

No. We can't. We can't give people the ability to force women to carry out unwanted pregnancies.

 

[JB3]

Listen Man,despite your username,I really try hard to treat you like a human.I will say though,you make it hard to even tolerate you.

This is not a personal attack,more an observation or an opinion.I have very strong political beliefs.Beliefs that were shaped years before you were even born.While I am not as politically savy as say Jock Boy or Opinterph, I am not politically illiterate.I'd really appreciate it you stopped treating me and everyone else that doesn't share what I consider to be your extreme poltical views as a fucking moron.While you are a bit more clever than the average republican hack, you're not a political genius.

What's going on RIGHT NOW,isn't why Obama was elected.People elected him because of the issues they faced over A YEAR AGO.You say, people wanted ''bi partisanship, and I suppose many people did.Not me.I want the republican party wiped off the fucking poltical map.They have come to embody all that I hate. I don't like them or ANYTHING they represent.They, particularly,the right wing extremists that own the party have left me hoping we can exchange gunfire.... soon.

However,I wasn't consulted by President Obama.I would have told him to abandon any hopes of bi partisanship.I would have gone with ramming though a social agenda that would have made FDR grin with pride.You honestly can't sit here and pretend that the GOP has made ANY effort to reach bi partisanship.Whatever that means to GOP hacks.

I think we agree on at least one thing though, Obama did ''represent ''change.''What we got was the same old same old.The same old weak assed Democrats and the same shrill republicans talking the same shit about spending.How come the GOP never gave a shit about spending while they ran up the deficit to historic levels? Nah, then it was ''un american'' to question obscene military spending and their pork projects..

My problem with Obama and the greater Democratic party is that they even use words like ''bi partisanship''.There is no bi partisanship to be found with people who don't share a single common goal.What disgusts me about them( democrats) is that they are wasting valuable time and as Bush 43 would say ''political capital'' trying to find it where it doesn't exist.

What I would have liked them do, and since I voted in the majority that elected the President, I can't help but believe millions share my views.I voted for leadership that would hammer through the platform that got them elected.Not one that fights in the Supreme Court to uphold the most repellent Bush era policies.Not one that rarely addresses the most vile of republican slurs.Not one that fails to recognize that they were elected to CHANGE things instead of still playing these same tired bullshit games with the GOP.Not one that still says''give war a chance.'' Not one that lets the GOP blame them for trying to keep the country and the world from falling into the worst economic depression since the 20's.But by that, we didn't mean to give the banks the whole fucking house.

Shit's either gonna change for real, or people are going to get hurt.I really don't want people to get hurt, but myself, I often wonder, just how much more of this bullshit are people supposed to tolerate before they had enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BksTHQo8Q78

We would have been a lot better off if Obama had a fraction of FDR's fortitude.He knew how to deal with right wing scum.

Its pretty hard to take anything you say seriously when you post this ^ insanity. As I stated in my previous post, you're blind to the political reality on the ground if you believe what you posted. People don't want the bullshit the president and his party are pushing, just like they don't want the bullshit republican agenda either. And the president never had a mandate, just like Bush never did. (despite what he claimed) People in 2008 didn't vote for the Obama agenda, they voted for Obama the MAN. Once they realized the agenda he wanted, they began to turn on him and the democrats just as quickly as they turned TO them in 2006.

And you're right, people are getting angry. But it has little to do with either specific party and more to do with the bullshit partisanship that is preventing governing from happening. They're tired of people doing their party's business and pushing their party's agenda instead of working for the PEOPLE'S business.

 

[PolterGUYst]

I'm really not that knowledgable about politics at all, and I know people seem to be very disappointed with Obama so far, but I think it's too early to say whether or not he deserves reelection. We aren't soothsayers, we don't know for sure whether or not he'll actually benefit this country by the time his term ends. He has 3 more years to fix the mistakes he has made and the mistakes that those of the past had made. I mean, why should somebody be graded on a job that isn't even halfway completed?
Also, what disappoints me the most right now isn't Obama, but the people of this country. From what I've seen lately, the major focus right now is the bashing going on between the left and the right. Nobody can agree on anything and it seems as if nothing will get done. On top of that, I think people are a bit too eager to jump on the "Bash Obama" bandwagon. It seems like people are more interested in criticizing him and saying what a horrible person he is instead of saying that they hope America turns out ok! Everybody is a critic, but nobody seems to have any solutions.

 

[NickCole]

I'm really not that knowledgable about politics at all, and I know people seem to be very disappointed with Obama so far, but I think it's too early to say whether or not he deserves reelection. We aren't soothsayers, we don't know for sure whether or not he'll actually benefit this country by the time his term ends. He has 3 more years to fix the mistakes he has made and the mistakes that those of the past had made. I mean, why should somebody be graded on a job that isn't even halfway completed?
Also, what disappoints me the most right now isn't Obama, but the people of this country. From what I've seen lately, the major focus right now is the bashing going on between the left and the right. Nobody can agree on anything and it seems as if nothing will get done. On top of that, I think people are a bit too eager to jump on the "Bash Obama" bandwagon. It seems like people are more interested in criticizing him and saying what a horrible person he is instead of saying that they hope America turns out ok! Everybody is a critic, but nobody seems to have any solutions.

There are lots of ideas for solutions, and there have been all along.

The problem has not been a lack of options or solutions, the problem is Barack Obama does not lead good policy and legislation, he leads only a cultish crowd.

Republican smackdowns and Town Halls chanting Yes We Can! Yes We Can! Yes We Can! does not accomplish anything except deepening divisions and feeding Obama's and his follower's narcissism.

 

[Knucklehead]

You might not like this but hear me out.

It's interesting how much you sound like that guy who just set his house on fire and flew his plane into the federal building, and also like the Tea Partiers.

And as I've been trying to say, I think there are more and more Americans feeling the same way. Bush really made a mess and what Americans wanted after him was someone to clean up the mess and get us headed in a better direction. And although there are many areas of problems, they all distill down to money, the nation's economy and our own financial circumstances. Everybody who voted in 2008 was either an adult or getting there in the 1990s; we remember what it's like to live easier, to get raises and promotions and feel secure enough to leave a job we don't love for a different one without fear we'll be jeopardizing our future. We remember what it's like to take a chance and buy a car or have some renovation done or take a vacation we can't totally afford today because we're confident a raise or a bonus or our IRS refund will cover it okay. Sure Republicans were assholes to the Clintons but that was just a sideshow to most of us who went about buying houses and saving for retirement and going to movies or restaurants or out for drinks without worrying we might not be able to fill up the gas tank next week.

ObamaCo's current meme is that his stimulus bill was a success. It's being dutifully repeated all over MSNBC and the New York Times and the Internet -- it's even being posted here on JUB by Obama loyalists as if it's fact. But it's not true any more than the rest of Obama's lies were true, and following on the heels of 8 years of Bush it's making people crazy. And it's going to get much worse because Obama's not going to change and become a competent leader, he's going to continue to be what he's always been that's brought him success, a seducer who can get people to like him and be on his side and a liar who gets by on the achievements of others. But the problem is our Congress today isn't going to hand Obama any achievements because what they need is a strong competent leader. So Obama says you do it, to Congress, and Congress says you do it, to Obama, and Republicans say Dems are incompetent, and Dems say Republicans are obstructionists when they haven't the power to obstruct anything. And how does this end up? Just like you said, with the incompetent Dems losing power to the party of really bad ideas.

We had a golden opportunity. Americans were sick of Republican rule and we had a candidate who'd developed solid plans for health care reform, for economic stimulus and bank regulation after the meltdown, and dealing with the foreclosure crisis (which is still happening and getting worse) and a list of other issues. And like her or hate her, Hillary Clinton is a leader who knuckles down and fights hard to get the job done.

We need to stop being impressed with likability and cool and pretense, and learn again how to recognize the value of genuine accomplishment and leadership. That's our problem in America - we're valuing the wrong thing, we're valuing attractive make-believe over less attractive truth, and we've let that influence who we support as leaders. That's happened before in history and it always ends in catastrophe. If we don't turn this around and very soon, well we're headed down and picking up speed.

Ok Nick,I heard you out,but, I can't help but wonder why you're telling me this.Sure,I'm disgusted by the state of things,but I don't see me applying for a pilots license anytime soon.Sure I hate right wingers and I'm certain they will one day incite violence.When they do,I hope they get seriously hurt and they learn that people are over their shit.


As for Obama, while I have been a lifelong ,registered Democrat,I can hardly be described as one of his groupees.After Hillary had the primaries stolen from her.I was pretty close to supporting a third party,but, after thinking about a potential Mc Cain/Palin administration,I swallowed that load of shit in my mouth and voted for him and Biden..

Yes, I believe Hillary would have been a better leader,but,we never had the chance to find out.She wasn't a choice for President.I voted on the choices we did have.

I never expected a magic wand wand type of solution.I did however,think the Democrats would at least show some amount of determination in resisting republicans.So far,I'm not impressed.The whole leadership of the Democratic Party is an utter disapointment.I mean, where the hell did they get Pelosi and Reid? Jesus Christ,talk about some useless bags of shit.

Who knows s maybe after Reid loses in November,maybe he can be replaced by someone who isn't afraid to get things done,that is of course if the Democrats are still in the majority.Who knows if they still will be.They may lose to republicans who will continue us down the path to serfdom..


Yes, I remember the '90's.Your '90's sounded pretty awesome.Mine was OK ,but there were no new homes or exciting promotions stuffed with super pay packages and benfits.I still worked blue collar jobs, but jobs were easier to find and the pay wasn't bad for the kind of work I do..

I'm pretty sure I didn't need your cautionary tale of what happens when Bobby hangs out with the wrong crowd. While I agree with you,I think your pissing up a rope Nick.Politicians play to whoever they think will elect them.They all do what's ''cool'' to that crowd.

Most people fall for that shit,some don't.Some people think Mitt Romney must be really distinguished because he dyes exactly 3 inches of his hair on the sides of his head white.Just like they thought Palin was cool in a folksy, homespun kinda way.Hillary had her admirers (and the most experience) tobama, to a lot of people, was cool too. If ''coolness'' didn't have nothing to do with it,Kucinich would have been President.

Knucklehead, the reason we got the same old same old is because Obama couldn't have possibly been able to do all that he promised, even if he really wanted to. The reason being is that the previous Presidents before him dug their way too deep into a horribly economic deal with international bankers. Obama may have tried to do something a few times but my thoughts are that he could not have possibly done them because he is still loyal to Goldman Sachs and Wall Street.

The Obama Deception documentary is not meant to be a personal attack on Obama but it IS meant to show you that the same people who controlled George W. Bush, control Obama as well. The financial organizations in high standing power have control but liberty and exposure to these facts are waging a war of the mind and heart against this takeover.

Until the power brokers of this world that hold sway of our money and our debt are taken out of the way and disassembled, NO president will be able to face the challenge of helping the United States with the amount of Tyranny that we are facing today.

I use to be angry with Obama for letting this happen but then I realized that even he would face death if he really tried to stop all of this corruption. It is up to the free minded people of the world to learn the truth and storm against this takeover. We need to learn the truth of what is happening BEHIND the scenes so we can be able to deal with what is taking place in plain sight. You cannot defeat an enemy who looks like a savior.

Again,I never expected much out of Obama.My vote was a vote against Palin and Mc Cain.I don't think I 'll ever be accused of being one of Obama's biggest fans.It is weird though,how just about EVERY one of the people on this board during the primaries who called me a racist and all kinds of other names for not licking Obama's ass crack have left the board.

Thanks for the Alex Jones link.I already seen the Obama Deception and started a thread entitled ''The Obama Deception" right here sevral months ago.It was received about as warmly as when you post Alex Jones links.People dismiss him as a nut.Maybe their right.But even nuts can know what they are talking about..

I like Alex Jones and find him to produce some pretty exciting videos.Some I agree with,and some not.I think he's more right than he isn't.Particularly his take on miltarized law enforcement.

Its pretty hard to take anything you say seriously when you post this ^ insanity. As I stated in my previous post, you're blind to the political reality on the ground if you believe what you posted. People don't want the bullshit the president and his party are pushing, just like they don't want the bullshit republican agenda either. And the president never had a mandate, just like Bush never did. (despite what he claimed) People in 2008 didn't vote for the Obama agenda, they voted for Obama the MAN. Once they realized the agenda he wanted, they began to turn on him and the democrats just as quickly as they turned TO them in 2006.

And you're right, people are getting angry. But it has little to do with either specific party and more to do with the bullshit partisanship that is preventing governing from happening. They're tired of people doing their party's business and pushing their party's agenda instead of working for the PEOPLE'S business.

Ehh, why bother?

 

[PolterGUYst]

There are lots of ideas for solutions, and there have been all along.

The problem has not been a lack of options or solutions, the problem is Barack Obama does not lead good policy and legislation, he leads only a cultish crowd.

Republican smackdowns and Town Halls chanting Yes We Can! Yes We Can! Yes We Can! does not accomplish anything except deepening divisions and feeding Obama's and his follower's narcissism.

See? This is what I was talking about. So far, I haven't seen many people simply disagree with Obama's policies and say what they would like to be done. Instead, so many take it to the next level and attack his character and say that anybody who supports him is part of a cult.

You may not think that Obama's actions are the best thing for America, but this attitude is just as toxic.

 

[NickCole]

See? This is what I was talking about. So far, I haven't seen many people simply disagree with Obama's policies and say what they would like to be done.

Then you haven't read my posts over the past year. I've been detailed about what I think is wrong with Obama's policies and how I think they should be different. For example with health care reform I think Obama's behind-closed-doors deal with Big Pharma was a huge mistake, as was his failure to fight for a public option. I also think his new plan to, in some vague way, regulate private insurance rates is dead wrong. I think health care reform should include options and competition like Hillary Clinton had in her plan that would naturally control costs. And, as I said from day one, Obama should have handed Democratic Congressional leaders his plan and, with Rahm Emanuel, worked with them on the strategy to make it happen BEFORE getting the media involved, and once the ball was rolling he should have done as he promised and broadcast the whole thing on CSPAN.

Don't get me started. I could write pages (and have) about what Obama's done wrong and what he should have done instead. After health care reform go to banking regulations and economic stimulus, then we could head over to Iraq and Gitmo and Afghanistan. And just be getting started.

Instead, so many take it to the next level and attack his character

His character is a big part of the problem because it informs his choices, his actions, what he's after.

If he can get big crowds and important segments of the media like MSNBC, TIME, The New York Times, etc, to support him, why can't he get a few hundred Democrats in Congress to pass good legislation?

I know why. Do you?

and say that anybody who supports him is part of a cult.

I never said that anybody who supports him is part of a cult.

Maybe what I write is too nuanced for you, but it's revealing how you interpret it.

You may not think that Obama's actions are the best thing for America, but this attitude is just as toxic.

My attitude, criticizing elected officials who do not deliver, whether they're Republican or Democratic, is just fine.

Your misinterpretation of my attitude is toxic.

 

[CtBoyWonder]

As you know Bush was all for warrentless wiretapping and if Im correct he said he wasn't for that, but he simply continued it and EXPANDED IT. Yes he is continuing and expending what Bush did including Rendition which is the kidnapping of people without warrants which Bush brought about through PDD51.



In Warrantless Wiretapping Case, Obama DOJ’s New Arguments Are Worse Than Bush’s

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Obama Orders Continuation Of Illegal CIA Renditions

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Yes, Obama has continued what Bush has done. Don't just look at things pertaining to the gay and lesbian community as if we consist of the whole world as being the only important thing on earth. See past the issues we only deal with (they are important yes) and see the whole picture please. There is a world outside of the gay and lesbian world, regardless that this is on JUB, just have a larger view on things and have a little empathy.

I always said the same thing, with a lot of opposition from my gay friends. Maybe
it's where I live, in a small New England town, and not New York City. Even though
I go there A LOT.

 

[PolterGUYst]

Then you haven't read my posts over the past year. I've been detailed about what I think is wrong with Obama's policies and how I think they should be different. For example with health care reform I think Obama's behind-closed-doors deal with Big Pharma was a huge mistake, as was his failure to fight for a public option. I also think his new plan to, in some vague way, regulate private insurance rates is dead wrong. I think health care reform should include options and competition like Hillary Clinton had in her plan that would naturally control costs. And, as I said from day one, Obama should have handed Democratic Congressional leaders his plan and, with Rahm Emanuel, worked with them on the strategy to make it happen BEFORE getting the media involved, and once the ball was rolling he should have done as he promised and broadcast the whole thing on CSPAN.

Don't get me started. I could write pages (and have) about what Obama's done wrong and what he should have done instead. After health care reform go to banking regulations and economic stimulus, then we could head over to Iraq and Gitmo and Afghanistan. And just be getting started.

Well, I wasn't specifically referring to you. I was talking about people in general. I know he has done wrong, I'm not denying it.

His character is a big part of the problem because it informs his choices, his actions, what he's after.

If he can get big crowds and important segments of the media like MSNBC, TIME, The New York Times, etc, to support him, why can't he get a few hundred Democrats in Congress to pass good legislation?

I know why. Do you?

I really don't think he has bad character. Nothing he has done so far has convinced me that he is a bad person out to get America, that he wants to change this country for the worse. That doesn't mean that he hasn't done wrong, I'm just saying that people take the wrong route to defend their stance. I mean, people still talk about how he hates America and how he still hasn't proven that he's an American citizen, calling him a Muslim as if being a Muslim is a bad thing. And I'm not exaggerating either. I've seen it on the internet and in person.
I'm trying to be an optimist. People say he has lied, but what president hasn't? And he still has 3/4 of his term left to fulfill some of his promises and fix the stuff he has done wrong. I really want to believe that the person the people of this country chose will pull through in the end. Like I said before, we can't predict the future

I never said that anybody who supports him is part of a cult.

Maybe what I write is too nuanced for you, but it's revealing how you interpret it.

You said he leads only a cultish crowd, implying that they are part of a cult. Since the day he got elected I've heard the same thing over and over again - about how those who voted for him were just drinking the koolaid. It disgusts me. I don't care if you like him or not, but he is still the president who the people elected. He hasn't murdered anybody, so I don't think the amount of pure nastiness towards him is warranted.

My attitude, criticizing elected officials who do not deliver, whether they're Republican or Democratic, is just fine.

Your misinterpretation of my attitude is toxic.

I wasn't talking about criticizing them. I support criticizm, just not the hatred that is constantly spewed as if he single-handedly sunk the entire country in one year.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but I wasn't referring to YOUR attitude specifically. I was referring to people in general.

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[Ambrocious]

I don't see a really good person to replace Obama. The ones who truly stand for what is right for the people are suppressed because it is those who want to help us that want to take away from those who hurt us. If the ones who are out to hurt us and take from us are dethroned by exposure to the truth of what is really happening, they may strike with force and it will not be good.

Financially, we have became a destitute country; rolling around in our own squaller with no clear image of what to do and who to trust. Well listen up good now when I say, this is what you must now do.

Love each other. Help those in need. If you see someone in need, be there for them. This is no time to transfer your anger onto anyone around you. The first thing that the elite of the world want is a final revolution; bloody and filled with hatred. We must not oblige them with any such thing.