Obama is failing

[Kyanimal]

You know what I was doing ten months into the Bush administration? Standing at the corner of Chambers and West Broadway in Manhattan, crying while looking at all the weathered flyers taped to the bus shelter, taped up by loved ones looking for people that were never coming home.




And Obama has failed?

WOW! What an awesome, deep, heart-felt post! I'm not sure it belongs in this particular discussion, but, MAN!, THAT certainly puts everything into a new perspective!

THANK YOU!!

By the standards set for him by himself and the people that elected him, probably so.

But nice try bringing 9/11 into something to deflect attention.

Sorry, Droid. But I find your sensitivity to be quite underwhelming ...

Besides, Bush/Cheney/Rove never batted an eye lash to use 9/11 as a deflection/distraction.

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[JB3]

WOW! What an awesome, deep, heart-felt post! I'm not sure it belongs in this particular discussion, but, MAN!, THAT certainly puts everything into a new perspective!

THANK YOU!!



Sorry, Droid. But I find your sensitivity to be quite underwhelming ...

Besides, Bush/Cheney/Rove never batted an eye lash to use 9/11 as a deflection/distraction.

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

Sensitivity to what? His shameless use of a national tragedy to promote partisan politics? I'm sorry if I don't feel the need to be sensitive to such a disturbing use of something that should be off limits.

 

[Kyanimal]

WOW! What an awesome, deep, heart-felt post! I'm not sure it belongs in this particular discussion, but, MAN!, THAT certainly puts everything into a new perspective!

Sorry, Droid. But I find your sensitivity to be quite underwhelming ...

Besides, Bush/Cheney/Rove never batted an eye lash to use 9/11 as a deflection/distraction.

Sensitivity to what? His shameless use of a national tragedy to promote partisan politics? I'm sorry if I don't feel the need to be sensitive to such a disturbing use of something that should be off limits.

ChicagoNormalGuy has a total of 21 posts. I didn't get the impression he was posting here to join the "usual" Battle that is CE&P. I took it as him merely offering a personal observation. And, quite a compelling one, at that!

I don't think he was trying to "score points"!

I agree with You that such a tragedy shouldn't be used to promote partisan politics. Please note the parts I've bolded in my quote.

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[JB3]

Oh I didn't support it when they did it. It was dirty politics and shameful. But don't excuse it when someone does it on here just because you might agree with them.

 

[Kyanimal]

ChicagoNormalGuy has a total of 21 posts. I didn't get the impression he was posting here to join the "usual" Battle that is CE&P. I took it as him merely offering a personal observation. And, quite a compelling one, at that!

I don't think he was trying to "score points"!

Oh I didn't support it when they did it. It was dirty politics and shameful. But don't excuse it when someone does it on here just because you might agree with them.

Droid, buddy ...

Please read the bolded parts of my quote, again.

I didn't get the impression he was "entering the argument", as much as sharing a profound, Personal, experience.

I neither "agreed", nor "disagreed", with him, as far as this (heated) topic is concerned. I simply acknowledged how intense that must have been for him, and that it could, indeed, change one's perspective of ensuing events.

Arguing Politics is one thing. Remembering there are People behind those views is something else.

Take Good Care!

Have a Wonderful "Turkey Day"!

And, of course, no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[ChicagoNormalGuy]

Seriously? You think I posted that statement to "score points"? I didn't know this was a competition. I didn't know I could "score points" in this thread. How many points would have it have been worth if I had known?

Is that what we've come to now? That we need to "score points" in life? Because if the point total is all that matters, this world is sunk. If the group that yells the loudest wins, no matter how small a group they are, no matter how much of a lie they tell, we are no longer a democracy.

Has Obama failed? He's got at least a little more than three years left in his presidency. Probably seven. Anyone who makes the judgement of the quality of something based on less than 25% of it is at best being shortsighted, or, more likely, has already made up his mind and isn't going to change it anyway.

But Droid, I'm sure you do more than watch Fox News and post your opinions on message boards. I'm sure you are actually very active in the political and gay community. I bet you make your way into the city on a regular basis to spend time volunteering at the Center on Halsted because it is something you can actually DO to make the world a better place for everyone. Because I know it's frustrating that you can't run the country yourself.

As for my "shameless use of a national tragedy to promote partisan politics? I'm sorry if I don't feel the need to be sensitive to such a disturbing use of something that should be off limits." How many frantic phone calls were you making into Manhattan that morning to find out if friends and loved ones were okay?

 

[NickCole]

Seriously? You think I posted that statement to "score points"? I didn't know this was a competition. I didn't know I could "score points" in this thread. How many points would have it have been worth if I had known?

Is that what we've come to now? That we need to "score points" in life? Because if the point total is all that matters, this world is sunk. If the group that yells the loudest wins, no matter how small a group they are, no matter how much of a lie they tell, we are no longer a democracy.

Has Obama failed? He's got at least a little more than three years left in his presidency. Probably seven. Anyone who makes the judgement of the quality of something based on less than 25% of it is at best being shortsighted, or, more likely, has already made up his mind and isn't going to change it anyway.

But Droid, I'm sure you do more than watch Fox News and post your opinions on message boards. I'm sure you are actually very active in the political and gay community. I bet you make your way into the city on a regular basis to spend time volunteering at the Center on Halsted because it is something you can actually DO to make the world a better place for everyone. Because I know it's frustrating that you can't run the country yourself.

As for my "shameless use of a national tragedy to promote partisan politics? I'm sorry if I don't feel the need to be sensitive to such a disturbing use of something that should be off limits." How many frantic phone calls were you making into Manhattan that morning to find out if friends and loved ones were okay?

Funny you start off by feigning offense at the notion of competition here, and end with a competitive jab implying your superiority because you were making more frantic phone calls on 9/11 to find out if friends were okay. You just proved Droid was right, that you use 9/11 to score points.

 

[ChicagoNormalGuy]

Funny you start off by feigning offense at the notion of competition here, and end with a competitive jab implying your superiority because you were making more frantic phone calls on 9/11 to find out if friends were okay. You just proved Droid was right, that you use 9/11 to score points.

You will see what you want to see and not what is there.

 

[JB3]

Seriously? You think I posted that statement to "score points"? I didn't know this was a competition. I didn't know I could "score points" in this thread. How many points would have it have been worth if I had known?

Is that what we've come to now? That we need to "score points" in life? Because if the point total is all that matters, this world is sunk. If the group that yells the loudest wins, no matter how small a group they are, no matter how much of a lie they tell, we are no longer a democracy.

Has Obama failed? He's got at least a little more than three years left in his presidency. Probably seven. Anyone who makes the judgement of the quality of something based on less than 25% of it is at best being shortsighted, or, more likely, has already made up his mind and isn't going to change it anyway.

But Droid, I'm sure you do more than watch Fox News and post your opinions on message boards. I'm sure you are actually very active in the political and gay community. I bet you make your way into the city on a regular basis to spend time volunteering at the Center on Halsted because it is something you can actually DO to make the world a better place for everyone. Because I know it's frustrating that you can't run the country yourself.

As for my "shameless use of a national tragedy to promote partisan politics? I'm sorry if I don't feel the need to be sensitive to such a disturbing use of something that should be off limits." How many frantic phone calls were you making into Manhattan that morning to find out if friends and loved ones were okay?

My Uncle's apartment was destroyed by the dust cloud, thank you very much. I spent that entire morning calling my parents, grandparents, and ANYONE that I could get to to make sure that he was okay.

Its funny that you make the argument that too little time has passed for us to judge Obama's presidency, and yet you make the argument that 9/11 proved that Bush was a failure. Stupid, stupid argument my man.

 

[Kulindahr]

As for my "shameless use of a national tragedy to promote partisan politics? I'm sorry if I don't feel the need to be sensitive to such a disturbing use of something that should be off limits." How many frantic phone calls were you making into Manhattan that morning to find out if friends and loved ones were okay?

Funny you start off by feigning offense at the notion of competition here, and end with a competitive jab implying your superiority because you were making more frantic phone calls on 9/11 to find out if friends were okay. You just proved Droid was right, that you use 9/11 to score points.

"Student of human nature" . . . . FAIL.

Looks to me like you've become so cynical and jaded about things that you see politics in everything, and can't see human factors at all.

 

[Kulindahr]

My Uncle's apartment was destroyed by the dust cloud, thank you very much. I spent that entire morning calling my parents, grandparents, and ANYONE that I could get to to make sure that he was okay.

Its funny that you make the argument that too little time has passed for us to judge Obama's presidency, and yet you make the argument that 9/11 proved that Bush was a failure. Stupid, stupid argument my man.

So you're both human.

I'm inclined to agree somewhat with Ky here.


If he was advancing it as a political argument -- something of which I'm not convinced -- then it is indeed weak, if he meant it as "proof" that Bush was a failure.

 

[frankfrank]

In theory the Democrats could've blocked any and all bad legislation before the initial 2007 sessions in Congress, but the Democratic Party has always included some Republican-lites who have only DECIDED to designate themselves with the letter D. The Republican Party has almost always been a unified bloc to trash any and all things Democratic, while trying to get the Democrats to agree on anything is worse than trying to herd alligators.

Before his term began, I was merely hoping against hope that Obama might actually have the backbone to stand up and do some of the things that he promised, but the window of opportunity came and passed. It took at least a little while for the lobbying, political and financial interests to take control of his Presidential actions. Obama is merely the HOTS (Head Of The Sheeple), yet another puppet of the multinational corporations and their CEO's, Big Oil and Pharma, the Tri-Lateral Commission, PNAC, etc. - he's one of THEIR sheeple, not one of OUR sheeple.

I expected better, but I was skeptical, even during the moment that I voted for him just over a year ago.

 

[NickCole]

You will see what you want to see and not what is there.

Well that's a very familiar style of comment and phrasing.

Going to reveal who you were before you were "ChicagoNormalGuy"?

 

[NickCole]

"Student of human nature" . . . . FAIL.

Looks to me like you've become so cynical and jaded about things that you see politics in everything, and can't see human factors at all.

I see human factors just fine, bub.

On September 11, 2001 when those planes few into WTC I was at 85 Broad Street working at Goldman Sachs. Standing with coworkers at a wall of windows watching the first tower smolder, we watched the second plane fly into the second tower. Three of my friends were in the towers and died that day. I know what happened on 9/11 and I know what it means in human terms.

I also know when someone is presenting something as an identifier of superiority and intent to win a competition. And that's what "How many frantic phone calls were you making into Manhattan that morning to find out if friends and loved ones were okay?" in that context was intended to do. And incidently, I didn't say there was anything wrong with doing that; I only pointed out that that's what ChicagoNormalGuy was doing while also complaining that he hadn't been doing it.

 

[county]

The Democrats control the House, the Senate and the Presidency.

And you blame the Republicans?

Wow. Just Wow.

I have to agree Justapixel....... I am so very disappointed with Obama, to the point of outrage. He and his administration are an embarrassment, simply put.