Obama rejects Keystone oil pipeline

[swerve]

I know Alberta has been spending a lot of money on carbon capture and storage -- but has there been anything showing how that is working??? (In relation to the oil buried DEEPER than what they're mining now)

Also -- PROBABLY most of that oil -- whether routed through the U.S. or not -- WOULD go overseas -- as the debate is ongoing regarding whether its emissions are dirtier than the sweet crude we get from the ME...

I suspect that the pipeline ULTIMATELY will be built through the U.S. -- just needs more study...

We've been GREAT neighbors for a LONG time...

 

[M4P]

I know Alberta has been spending a lot of money on carbon capture and storage -- but has there been anything showing how that is working??? (In relation to the oil buried DEEPER than what they're mining now)

Also -- PROBABLY most of that oil -- whether routed through the U.S. or not -- WOULD go overseas -- as the debate is ongoing regarding whether its emissions are dirtier than the sweet crude we get from the ME...

I suspect that the pipeline ULTIMATELY will be built through the U.S. -- just needs more study...

We've been GREAT neighbors for a LONG time...

I know very little about carbon capture I think it is still being studied and debated

The refined product wouldn't be any different

The pipeline will be built, BA just has to survive another election in order to appease the environmentalist who are supporting him and his campaign for re-election

 

[eddieg]

Yes, we need more great car's like the Chevy Volt! Ummm oh wait.

 

[Jack Springer]

China will use the oil and pollute the environment worse than the US ever did.

Good move by Barry. Kill US job, kill US economy, build the China economy.

 

[hotatlboi]

Stop spinning Jack.

As stated, Obama was not opposed to the pipeline in general, he was opposed to the current proposal which also had serious opposition from overwhelmingly Republican Nebraska.

They were studying an alternate route that could have worked but the Republicans put a provision in the payroll tax extension that forced the President to approve or deny it within 60 days, which wasn't enough time to complete the required study of an alternate plan, so he had no choice but to deny.

However, an alternate proposal can still be submitted later, which I'm sure it will be.

 

[bankside]

I'm thrilled by this development and I look forward to going west with our pipeline instead of south. We depend way too much on one market and now we will have more, which is essential for a trading nation like Canada.

 

[M4P]

As stated, Obama was not opposed to the pipeline in general, he was opposed to the current proposal which also had serious opposition from overwhelmingly Republican Nebraska.

Obama was just trying to save his ass in the upcoming election

I'm thrilled by this development and I look forward to going west with our pipeline instead of south. We depend way too much on one market and now we will have more, which is essential for a trading nation like Canada.

This is probably the best proposal. From what I hear the Asian countries will pay more for than the Americans. Canada shouldn't sit and wait for USA to make a decision. It's time to move on

 

[jackoroe]

There is absolutely no dispute that jobs would have been created. And they would be real jobs paid for by private industry, not the taxpayers. Who many jobs is a matter of some dispute. Estimates vary from 500-100,000. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57361212/keystone-pipeline-how-many-jobs-really-at-stake/

Obama's claim to be studying the pipeline is pure horse shit. We currently have over 2.3 million million miles of pipelines criss crossing the country. It's very well established technology that works day in and our without any issues.
http://phmsa.dot.gov/portal/site/PH...VgnVCM1000008049a8c0RCRD&vgnextfmt=print#QA_5

It's political pandering to Obama's base and nothing more. It was a no brainer way of creating jobs and Barry even fucked that up!

 

[evanrick]

Why not nationalize our energy? it belongs to US anyways.

we can still sell gas to other countries with canadas oil, that shouldn't stop us from removing the private distributor.

jobs paid for by private industry? you mean corporate subsidized jobs in the form of tax credits and giveaways, welfare and subsidies. would be cheaper to hire our own people to do it, not some private contractor.

and to all the republicans bitching about 'regulations', how many "regulations" do you think private business WANT to keep their pipelines privatized?

lets see Exxon monopolize solar energy via REGULATION.

 

[bankside]

Why not nationalize our energy? it belongs to US anyways.

we can still sell gas to other countries with canadas oil, that shouldn't stop us from removing the private distributor.

jobs paid for by private industry? you mean corporate subsidized jobs in the form of tax credits and giveaways, welfare and subsidies. would be cheaper to hire our own people to do it, not some private contractor.

and to all the republicans bitching about 'regulations', how many "regulations" do you think private business WANT to keep their pipelines privatized?

lets see Exxon monopolize solar energy via REGULATION.

Hah how do you figure that? Canada's oil is not yours to sell; that is the point.

 

[JayHawk]

There is an Alternet link here that explains the options of the PL.
http://www.alternet.org/story/15378..._do_you_live?akid=8138.102503.UaQcad&rd=1&t=2

The article also shows that Georgia has the top two emissions polluters

Go nuclear TODAY...

I wonder if the expansion at Vogtle will allow Georgia to shut down one of these huge polluters?

 

[JayHawk]

Hah how do you figure that? Canada's oil is not yours to sell; that is the point.

Oh fiddle sticks

ALL of the oil is ours.

 

[White Eagle]

The article also shows that Georgia has the top two emissions polluters

Go nuclear TODAY...

I wonder if the expansion at Vogtle will allow Georgia to shut down one of these huge polluters?

I know! Maybe I should have added the reason for my pic of Corpus was to show all the refineries along our ship channel. It is the 5 th in the nation, and I surely don't want the pipeline coming here or to our refineries. I live half a mile from the ship channel and we have enough pollution.

 

[JayHawk]

Yeah but giving up that pipeline is ignorant considering we will not ween ourselves from oil for the next 50 years

 

[Kulindahr]

Although truth be known....I don't understand why the oil companies just don't build the refinery in Alberta, Canuckistan instead of us just shipping the dirty oil from the oil sands down to the gulf.

That was my question -- or build a new refinery in North Dakota, which could definitely use the jobs.

But according last night's news (I think we were on ABC), Obama was forced into this by the Republicans; he was trying to come up with a compromise, like a new refinery north of the aquifer or a different route to the pipeline -- but they demanded a decision now.

 

[Kulindahr]

Stop spinning Jack.

As stated, Obama was not opposed to the pipeline in general, he was opposed to the current proposal which also had serious opposition from overwhelmingly Republican Nebraska.

They were studying an alternate route that could have worked but the Republicans put a provision in the payroll tax extension that forced the President to approve or deny it within 60 days, which wasn't enough time to complete the required study of an alternate plan, so he had no choice but to deny.

However, an alternate proposal can still be submitted later, which I'm sure it will be.

Definitely. The whole situation is a Republican grandstanding stunt.

I still think a new refinery in North Dakota would help the situation -- jobs for a seriously hurting state, a refinery away from the Gulf where they're vulnerable to storms, a shorter pipeline... wins all around.


BTW, I agree about today's pipeline technology -- it verges on the anal for safety.

 

[JayHawk]

I thought anal was less safe these days.... sighh

A refinery in ND would be awesome i think but it defeats the actual purpose of the pipeline... to sell the more expensive oil overseas until our price climbs and makes it worthwhile to sell in the US. This blocking is because republicans demanded a answer BUT that will not prevent them from using it probably to great effect this summer when gas is expected to top five dollars a gallon.

 

[Telstra]

I saw it on my TV news .

I want to punch the crying all the time guy in the face.
He looks annoying from a far.

 

[Telstra]

 

[Kulindahr]

There is absolutely no dispute that jobs would have been created. And they would be real jobs paid for by private industry, not the taxpayers. Who many jobs is a matter of some dispute. Estimates vary from 500-100,000. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57361212/keystone-pipeline-how-many-jobs-really-at-stake/

Obama's claim to be studying the pipeline is pure horse shit. We currently have over 2.3 million million miles of pipelines criss crossing the country. It's very well established technology that works day in and our without any issues.
http://phmsa.dot.gov/portal/site/PH...VgnVCM1000008049a8c0RCRD&vgnextfmt=print#QA_5

It's political pandering to Obama's base and nothing more. It was a no brainer way of creating jobs and Barry even fucked that up!

The study is required by law. The original "study" was discovered to have been done by an outfit closely tied to the oil companies, which is forbidden as a conflict of interest. So a new study was mandated -- that wasn't Obama's decision, it's the law.

If Obama had given approval, the Republicans would have said he has no respect for the law. This was nothing but a stunt to be able to condemn him no matter what he did. As a president should do, however, he followed the law.

Unfortunately, "study" frequently means "make nice to the local politicians" more than "scientifically evaluate the impact of the pipeline", and other times it means "spend a quarter million dollars describing the obvious".

The jobs figures -- I've never seen one as high as 100k! Biggest I've read was 40k, during pipeline construction. I tend to think that the State Department's estimate of 5k - 6k is more realistic.