Obama Supporters Boo Sheila Jackson Lee in TX

[seamusnewwest]

Obama! Obama! Obama!

Heil! Heil! Heil!
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[White Eagle]

I didn't think of that. Thank you ICO. That is exactly what Lee is doing. All those people in her district are being silenced by her actions. That is not what a representative "of we the people" should be doing.

 

[NickCole]

Amazing how you, a Rodham supporter, pretend to care about Michigan and Florida's say, yet chastises the people's voice, the will of the people, when you don't like the free speech being delivered. If Lee is a superdelegate, and she's erasing the vote of her district by supporting the opposing candidate, then she has every right to be booed BY HER DISTRICT--- her ONE vote silences the vote of thousands.

Yet again the Obamian failure to understand Party Rules -- or the Obamian hypocrisy.

Representative Sheila Jackson Lee's single superdelegate vote has nothing to do with the way her district votes or the delegates they send to the convention. Her superdelegate vote will not "erase the vote of her district" any more than Ted Kennedy's or Bill Richardson's and John Kerry's will.

And I note that we don't see Hillary supporters booing those three men because of their vote.


As to the rest ...

I'm not chastizing the people's voice and I didn't say they don't have a right to express their opinion and boo her. I commented on Obama's influence -- just as I've commented on Reverend Wright's influence.

That behavior towards their Representative, who has been appreciated and enthusiastically supported by her constituents and whose only crime is to continue to back the same candidate she's backed all along (which they approved of a year ago), reveals something important about Obama's supposed power to unite.

Obama inspires a toxic atmosphere.

 

[MystikWizard]

Work on your rhetoric, Nick, because it isn't based in reality and isn't going to work.

No, ICO. What that rhetoric is ... is "divisive". That is the new word of the day.

 

[Centexfarmer]

imagine people at a political convention booing someone they are angry with and chanting the name of someone they like

imagine that! at a political convention! how dare they!

how naive are some of the folks who posted in this thread?

how naive can you be?

to get worked up by people booing and chanting at a political convention - just beyond belief

and as far as Maya Angelou - I heard one person boo her name on that videoclip - but she has taken a political stand, if she wants to play in the big time, these things happen, like one person might boo her name

I think this thread ranks right up there in the top 10 of "what fake thing will they get worked up over next?"

This post does nothing to address the topic at hand, and completely brushes off the concerns of the OP of this thread.

It isn't people actually getting worked up, as much as it is Feminists who are upset and are desperately trying to find anything, no matter how insignificant, any little thing at all that they can bring up and mold into being an attack against the opposing candidate and his supporters ... since their dreams of putting a Woman in the White House are slipping away with each passing day.

The thing is that they know this country will have a Woman President someday, which they want so bad. It's like Lost says ... they are voting with their vaginas. But why they insist on getting behind this woman, with so little integrity, is beyond me. If you are going to throw your support behind a Woman, why not make it count, and get behind someone with a little more character who isn't quite so transparent?

Yet you and I both know that if the roles were reversed and Sheila supported Obama, and it was a primarily Clinton audience who were booing ... Nick wouldn't be saying a word about any of this.

Sad. But so predictable.

This post does nothing to elevate the level of debate in this forum.

However:

Yet you and I both know that if the roles were reversed

and it was Hillary Clinton supporters booing down a Barack Obama delegate, you'd have decidedly different words. And I have know doubt that NickCole would be equally disappointed.

Of course you've yet to address NickCole's concerns here.

My point is that people getting "booed" is no big deal. Only Clinton supporters, such as yourself ... who are absolutely desperate to find any little thing you possibly can to utilize against Obama ... will think it is of any concern.

I don't see this being discussed in the Television Media or Newspapers at all. So, obviously the only person that sees Sheila Jackson Lee being booed as a grave concern is yourself, apparently.

Furthermore, if the roles were reversed, like I said above, and Sheila Jackson Lee was supporting Obama and a group of Clinton supporters booed her, you wouldn't be saying a word about it. And you know what ... nor would I. Because it is insignificant.

I doubt that.

You'd most likely create a thread showing once again how, as so often pointed out by another Obama supporter here that:

Hillary knows her supporters are stupid and uneducated. She also knows they're voting with their vaginas (the men too).

She's able to smear Obama with impunity because of her stupid and moronic supporters.

NickCole's concern are the same as mine.

Virtually every Obama supporter that I've personally encountered, and whom I did not previous know, has done everything within their abilities to bully, and shout down anyone who doesn't share their enthusiasm for Barack Obama.

Like I've said, I've yet to see one post in this thread that addresses that fact.

 

[Centexfarmer]

No, ICO. What that rhetoric is ... is "divisive". That is the new word of the day.

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[NickCole]

It is illogical for you to blame Obama for the action of his supporters having issue with an UNREPRESENTATIVE representative. .

That's rich. You have no such concerns about "UNREPRESENTATIVE representatives" when it comes to Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Richardson, or Pennsylvania Senators Bob Casey and Amy Klobuchar, who recently endorsed Obama even though PA will almost certainly go to Hillary.

And I note that Hillary supporters have not booed any of those people during their appearances. We may not like their choice but that's very different from trying to intimidate or bully them.

Obama attracts a certain kind of "unification," which is toxic and destructive. We've seen it here on this forum, across the Internet, at the caucuses and on that tape of Sheila Jackson Lee -- and we've seen it before in history.

 

[Centexfarmer]

It is illogical for you to blame Obama for the action of his supporters having issue with an UNREPRESENTATIVE representative. If anything is toxic, it is Rodham who is wanting representatives to silence their constituents with their superdelegate vote, otherwise showing the Democrat Party for exactly what it is not---democratic. The right to vote in this country has been sacrosanct---one hard earned by, and wrongfully delayed for, women and blacks.

Your fallacious hasty generalization-based "Yet again the Obamian failure" is childish and inappropriate. Then you don't even bother trying to defend that non-position, but go off on a red herring.

Work on your rhetoric, Nick, because it isn't based in reality and isn't going to work.

But it's perfectly logical to give Obama supporters a free pass to silence other delegates, either at the conventions, or for those who haven't voted yet, by calling for her to quit the race?

That logic flies in the face of reason my friend.

 

[NickCole]

Virtually every Obama supporter that I've personally encountered, and whom I did not previous know, has done everything within their abilities to bully, and shout down anyone who doesn't share their enthusiasm for Barack Obama.

Like I've said, I've yet to see one post in this thread that addresses that fact.

Exactly; thank you.

And as I've pointed out, that situation is especially salient because Obama's primary message is that he's going to unite people.

Throughout history when a leader has promised to bring people together and he's done it in this way, the results are destructive.

 

[khushibagh]

If Lee is a superdelegate, and she's erasing the vote of her district by supporting the opposing candidate, then she has every right to be booed BY HER DISTRICT--- her ONE vote silences the vote of thousands.

It's interesting to watch those guilty pretend to be the victim.

Excellent point ICO7. She is a superdelegate only because the people in her district elected her to Congress. If she uses her position in a way that her constituents don't like, they have every right to be upset. As a Representative she is allowed to vote in Congress however she thinks best - does that mean that her constituents have no right to complain if they don't like one of her votes?

This whole debate about whether superdelegates should vote their conscience is somewhat silly - they can vote their conscience but they should expect to be accountable to their constituents for their vote. It seems like accountability is a nasty word in the Hillary lexicon considering she sent her billionaire friends to threaten Nancy Pelosi for daring to suggest that voters might feel miffed if superdelegates who supposedly represent them vote to nullify the popular vote. There is nothing hypocritical about Teddy Kennedy (or Bill Richardson or Casey) voting for Obama - the people of Massachusetts can factor that in along with everything else Teddy Kennedy did and vote for or against him next primary season.

 

[Centexfarmer]

Exactly; thank you.

And as I've pointed out, that situation is especially salient because Obama's primary message is that he's going to unite people.

Throughout history when a leader has promised to bring people together and he's done it in this way, the results are destructive.

I'll take it a step further and point out the most vocal of the Obama Supporters in this forum are doing just that; Attempting to shout down and bully anyone who doesn't share their enthusiasm for Barack Obama.

I could understand, if it were for love the party, but I've seen no indication of that. In fact at least of couple of them have stated that if their candidate doesn't win, that they'll vote for McCain.

I've previously stated that if Senator Obama wins my party's nomination, which all but seems like a forgone conclusion, that I'd enthusiastically support him, but as the days and weeks stretch out, he may get my vote come November, but not my enthusiastic support.

How can a candidate talk about "unifying" his country, when he can't even inspire his "followers" to act civil toward members of his own party?

 

[MystikWizard]

Virtually every Obama supporter that I've personally encountered, and whom I did not previous know, has done everything within their abilities to bully, and shout down anyone who doesn't share their enthusiasm for Barack Obama.

I fail to see how a candidate's supporters booing someone (Heaven forbid) is such an awful life or death decision on whether to nominate someone to be President. They are free to voice their concerns as Americans, just as Americans have the right to boo President Bush at a Baseball Game, or Clinton supporters have a right to boo Superdelegates from the Obama camp ... which we know they would in a heartbeat.

The only reason you interpret people "beating and shouting you down", is because we get absolutely nothing but spin, lies, and distortions of the facts from Feminist Clinton supporters, and I for one, am tired of hearing ... to put it bluntly ... the bullshit ... just so you can accomplish your wet dream of getting a Woman elected to the White House. That's why people have lost patience with the Clinton supporters and why you are getting so much pushback.

You aren't going to do a damn thing to change the minds of Obama supporters, and Obama supporters aren't going to get anywhere with the Clinton Supporters. They have their agenda and will fight to the bitter end for it. And then you get all offended when people call you out on it and don't support your candidate, after she has done everything in her power to make race, gender, and even religion a factor in this election. Cracks me up.

 

[Centexfarmer]

And if you somehow find that in my argument, I'll give you a blowjob.

Looks like you'll be having blue balls then.

It appeared to me that you were defending Obama supporters, and their right to shout down a fellow delegate, while giving giving his supporters a free pass to silence the rest of those states who've not yet had their primary.

As to the blowjob, the rancor in our politics here lately has given me a limp dick, so I doubt that either of us would enjoy that.

 

[NickCole]

This is an ongoing, rather disgusting attack on people---it is noticeable to me the race of those in that video. .

I read that and thought, funny, I hadn't noticed anybody's race in the OP video. But of course that would be an issue to you.

So I watched it again and I can only make out the race of two people -- both white. Is that what you saw? What's your point?

 

[MystikWizard]

Yet the enthusiasm of riding Wright into the ground is ok?

The poll we had showed more Rodham supporters voting against Obama and for McCain---a poll NickCole and iman did not reply to.

Very true. These 2 now have no right to talk about Obama's "Present" votes, when these 2 can't even take a stand and vote in a simple, Internet poll.

 

[NickCole]

Excellent point ICO7. She is a superdelegate only because the people in her district elected her to Congress. If she uses her position in a way that her constituents don't like, they have every right to be upset. As a Representative she is allowed to vote in Congress however she thinks best - does that mean that her constituents have no right to complain if they don't like one of her votes? This whole debate about whether superdelegates should vote their conscience is somewhat silly - they can vote their conscience but they should expect to be accountable to their constituents for their vote. It seems like accountability is a nasty word in the Hillary lexicon considering she sent her billionaire friends to threaten Nancy Pelosi for daring to suggest that voters might feel miffed if superdelegates who supposedly represent them vote to nullify the popular vote.

The superdelegate category was created for a reason, and it was not to cast another vote going along with the popular vote of one's district or state. I mean that would be really silly -- why even bother with appointing actual people to add redundant votes? Treating party leaders like empty headed go-alongs is a lot more ridiculous than expecting them to make informed independent decisions.

There is nothing hypocritical about Teddy Kennedy (or Bill Richardson or Casey) voting for Obama - the people of Massachusetts can factor that in along with everything else Teddy Kennedy did and vote for or against him next primary season.

The hypocrisy is not that they're voting for Obama, it's saying (when it benefits Obama) that superdelegates should vote along with their constituency and then not doing that themselves.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I fail to see how a candidate's supporters booing someone (Heaven forbid) is such an awful life or death decision on whether to nominate someone to be President. They are free to voice their concerns as Americans, just as Americans have the right to boo President Bush at a Baseball Game, or Clinton supporters have a right to boo Superdelegates from the Obama camp ... which we know they would in a heartbeat.

But the Clinton Supporters are not.

At least not in any information provided by you, or anywhere in this forum.

The only reason you interpret people "beating and shouting you down", is because we get absolutely nothing but spin, lies, and distortions of the facts from Feminist Clinton supporters, and I for one, am tired of hearing ... to put it bluntly ... the bullshit ... just so you can accomplish your wet dream of getting a Woman elected to the White House. That's why people have lost patience with the Clinton supporters and why you are getting so much pushback.

Let me make this perfectly clear, I've not provided any spin or lies, or distortions of fact in my luke warm support for Senator Clinton.

It's the process and tone that has taken place in THIS FORUM, that I'm most concerned about.

At my precinct convention, I was pushed back by answering only one question, "Who do you support in this primary?" When I answered "Clinton," I was immediately dismissed and shown the door. "Oh, and by the way, could you stick around long enough to make sure that we know what we're doing, because we don't understand the rules here."

You aren't going to do a damn thing to change the minds of Obama supporters, and Obama supporters aren't going to get anywhere with the Clinton Supporters.

And with the type of invective, that I've read from many of the Obama supporters in this forum, that "anywhere" is getting further, and further away.

They have their agenda and will fight to the bitter end for it. And then you get all offended when people call you out on it and don't support your candidate, after she has done everything in her power to make race, gender, and even religion a factor in this election. Cracks me up.

I'm not asking you to support Senator Clinton, if the shoe were on the other foot, you'd be doing everything within your right to defend your candidate, so please don't fault those in this forum who support their candidate for their reasons.

Yet the enthusiasm of riding Wright into the ground is ok?

The poll we had showed more Rodham supporters voting against Obama and for McCain---a poll NickCole and iman did not reply to. This is also true for a poll showed from Gallup or whoever. Either it is because they are spiting Obama, which NickCole suggested that was wrong for me to conclude, which leads me to think that it is because there is little difference between the warhawks, McCain and Rodham.

Well, that's your decision. Unlike others, I'll respect whatever your decision is.

Perhaps we aren't drinking enough "kool-aid", centex? Is that the problem? More kool-aid should bring civility to the "Obamaianbots", right? What really will help is more flawed parallels to Hitler, or Jones, or maybe someone new---like Pot, Mao, Stalin, or Pavelić?

Rah, rah, reed, kick'em in the knee, rah, rah, grass kick them in the....other knee.

I never said that, I was merely making a first hand observation at a first hand experience at MY precinct primary. You know, the one where I actually turn my computer off and become physical part of the political process within my Party.

An attribute that I can only acknowledge from a few Obama, and Clinton supporters who've posted in this forum.

Let's face it, it's a draw.

If Obama wins, many Clinton supporters will most likely not vote for Obama, and if Clinton wins, many Obama supporters will most likely not vote for her, or any Democrat for that matter.

I no longer see the point in beating each other up in this process. It only fuels the further divisions taking place within the Democratic Party, and I've all but decided to sit this one out.

As a Moderator of this forum, I can now see why so many other members of JUB avoid CE&P like the plague.

 

[JackFTwist]

This post does nothing to address the topic at hand, and completely brushes off the concerns of the OP of this thread.

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NickCole's concern are the same as mine.

Virtually every Obama supporter that I've personally encountered, and whom I did not previous know, has done everything within their abilities to bully, and shout down anyone who doesn't share their enthusiasm for Barack Obama.

Like I've said, I've yet to see one post in this thread that addresses that fact.

Centex, I don't buy that at all.

You are personally disgruntled because after changing your mind several times you picked the wrong candidate in your district and you got voted off your state party position. It is personal to you now. You are angry because you got the boot by the other side since they outnumbered your side.

You are not the only person that ever happened to, I know what it feels like, when I lost my state central spot when the Mondale/UAW folks dumped me because I was for Hart. Since then I have played it as it is - it is politics.

I know what it is like to be a county chair and have a bunch of newcomers show up and try and change the way "we" have always done it. Who says they are wrong? It always disconcerts when "new people" show up to challenge the way us old timers have done it. So you lost on that one, too bad. That's politics, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

You picked the wrong candidate for your district and you lost. I know that before that evening you and the most wonderful local party and then all these ****new***** people showed up and fucked it all up and who are they and where were they when you had the fund raiser in 2005...

too bad centex, it is the nature of the game. I will not get elected to the county executive board next time because last time I supported the guy who won (by one vote...) and is not running again so they will get me back next year.

But yes, these obama people you say, the lowest class trash ever, not at all dignified, not restrained, not genteel, not all polite, not like a normal Texas Democrat....










oh who do we think we're kidding about restrained Texas Democrats?

NickCole whines about everything. NickCole and perhaps you think that it is all right for others to do what you approve first. Note in another thread that he approved the booing of Bush. It is ok to boo the president, per NickCole, but not a US representative, because NickCole likes Lee and hates Bush. Sorry, we do not all his insights into things. Of course when a poll favors Hillary, he posts it. When a poll is posted favoring Obama, he complains that a poll means nothing.

When someone attacks Obama, he favors it because Obama needs to be "vetted." Someone attacks Hillary, he is in tears. Obama is a wiump and cannot take it but people are just nasty wasty nasty to Hillary, the meanies. The hypocrasy abounds. That is also the name of the game.

No one executed represenastve Lee, she was not guillitined, her house was not burned down: she was booed, an expression covered by the Bill of Rights. She was booed at a political convention. And some folks are having queen-like fits. Oh get real and grow up.

Sorry you lost your spot. I've lost mine before and will lose mine next year. You picked the wrong candidate. Too bad.

Let me say goodbye to everyone now for having the gall to speak to a mod as directly as he spoke to us, but I erred in disagreeing with said mod and was not on the mod's side. A bannable offense if suspension is not enough for being so rude. Goodbye all until the revolution...

I hope the next thread is on how quietly sedate Texas Democrats always act other than those, ah, you know, those, ah.... Obama ones, shall we say.

 

[NickCole]

Well, that says everything to me that I need to know about you when you look at people and all you see is white.

Since the only two people distinquishable by race were white ... uh, yeah.

Opinterph's post obtains verification.

That sentence doesn't make sense, Mrs. Malaprop. And in any case I don't know what you're trying to refer to. Opinterph hasn't posted in this thread.

White Eagle provides better video for you to watch, so if you drop back to the OP, it goes to show you didn't properly follow-up his post, just knee-jerking along.

I'd forgotten that video was posted and naturally went back to the OP, but whatever. Your use of race to throw diversionary stink bombs is an Obamian tactic and I'm not playing into your race baiting game.

 

[NickCole]

Very true. These 2 now have no right to talk about Obama's "Present" votes, when these 2 can't even take a stand and vote in a simple, Internet poll.

You're equating an elected representative casting "present" votes on State Senate legislation with anonymous posters not participating in a poll on an Internet forum???

There you have it folks: Obamian priorities and context!