Obama to Netanyahu. Drop dead!

[bankside]

JockBoy,there are substantial elements among liberals that are supportive of Israel. It's not liberals oppose Israel, conservatives love it. And it was founded CHIEFLY by secular Jews(Labor Party is the equivalent to European Social Democrats). It seems the more progressive elements on the left are fairly hostile towards Israel, at least a lot of its policies. Conservatives love for Israel is kind of suspicious, at least those who have unwavering, dogmatic pro-Israel views from a religious perspective... they still look upon Israel messianically, not because of a real appreciation of Jewishness.

Maybe we should distinguish between support for Israel, and support for Netanyahu's Likud and their merry band of religious extremists propping them up in their corrupt government with its inept and hateful colonial ambitions.

To me it makes sense that Democrats would only support Netanyahu when he was making his way to the departures lounge.

 

[bankside]

In fact, I think supporting Israel involves opposing Netanyahu, beyond cooperating on the barest of obvious security considerations.

 

[chance1]

Romney to Israel would be like a dog after it's just killed a rabbit and doesn't know what to do with it but toss it around.

that's a very confusing ......... joke?

give us more to help understand

I've heard the one about the dog chasing the car ....... that they'd never catch it ........ and if they did ...... then what?

more please

 

[Callum]

1. Jews make up a significant and disproportionate segment of prominent American cultural figures, including 13 U.S. Senators, professors, lawyers, actors, musicians, and scientists.

2. Israel is the only developed country and democracy in the Middle East. It is a tool for the United States to exercise its influence in the region.

3. Sympathy for Israel draws on the country's aforementioned political and economic status, as well as deep cultural connection to Judeo-Christian heritage in the region, and fierce opposition stems from liberal reaction to conservative treatment of Israel's privileged status in U.S. foreign policy.

I dunno. Just glad I have minimal interest in international relations. With all the passive-aggressive bullshit and ass-kissing I'd probably shoot myself.

 

[chance1]

History is not a controlled experiment, and that is its greatest fault.

Nobody knows what would have been if...

Does Israel stir up anti-Americanism or is it a good force for Democracy and peace in the world?

Since you seem impartial, perhaps you could be the best judge of all.

the answer is yes ........ to both

that's the rub

you have to not only stand by but stand tall for your allies even if it makes u more unpopular with others

 

[Callum]

I think Israel is a great source of democracy in a volatile region, but I also don't think it should exist in the form that it does. Can't just give the Jews a country without tossing Kurds, Assyrians etc bones back when the Ottoman collapsed.

Here's an interesting editorial that echoes my beliefs:

...Yet these peoples have been denied countries of their own due to an historical injustice: The Western colonial powers who carved up the Middle East a century ago after seizing it from the Ottoman colonial powers parcelled land out to their wartime buddies as spoils of war, rather than endowing the lands to the indigenous peoples that had inhabited the lands for many centuries and sometimes for millennia...

Lawrence Solomon: End U.S. aid to hostile Middle Eastern countries | FP Comment | Financial Post

[I don't however appreciate how Canada considers an attack on Israel to be an attack on Canada, and given that Canada abruptly severed diplomatic relations with Iran a week ago, I feel something is brewing. Which is why I bothered to read this thread, lol.]

 

[Kulindahr]

I think Israel is a great source of democracy in a volatile region, but I also don't think it should exist in the form that it does. Can't just give the Jews a country without tossing Kurds, Assyrians etc bones back when the Ottoman collapsed.

Here's an interesting editorial that echoes my beliefs:



Lawrence Solomon: End U.S. aid to hostile Middle Eastern countries | FP Comment | Financial Post

[I don't however appreciate how Canada considers an attack on Israel to be an attack on Canada, and given that Canada abruptly severed diplomatic relations with Iran a week ago, I feel something is brewing. Which is why I bothered to read this thread, lol.]

There's a tragedy in there, in that the Kurds have been promised a country of their own at least twice by the international community. Bush should have carved that section off Iraq as a very belated first step.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think Israel is a great source of democracy in a volatile region, but I also don't think it should exist in the form that it does. Can't just give the Jews a country without tossing Kurds, Assyrians etc bones back when the Ottoman collapsed.

Here's an interesting editorial that echoes my beliefs:



Lawrence Solomon: End U.S. aid to hostile Middle Eastern countries | FP Comment | Financial Post

It's not too late to start.

 

[MassRuss]

September 17. Netanyahu drives a stake thru this thread.....It should be closed