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Obama's 'Blame Bush' strategy

I think Dante gave politicians who sacrifice the interests of the citizens in order to serve their own personal interests a special place in hell.

The most terrible thing though is when a political party does seize upon a wedge issue like this in order to exploit it and garner votes. And unlike the Democratic party in the Us which is akin to herding cats, the Republican'ts all march goosestep in formation to announce the party line, whether they believe it or not.

Or they used to when Karl Rove was obergruppenfuhrer.
 
I would pick a libertarian any day over a republican. It doesn't take even a seconds thought to see that one, the libertarians, seek to change and one, the republicans, seek to disrupt.

half of the people registered republicans are really libertarians by todays standards. Why they don't vote and participate in that way is beyond me.

Most people have bought the lie told here every election cycle, that to vote for any party not one of the Big Two is to waste a vote.

People need to realize that parties have died and new ones been born more than once in American history. Real change has come more than once only by the death of an existing party and the birth of a new.

Personally, I'd like to see a new party, the Liberty Party, born of practical libertarians and honest Republicans -- or republicans. The LP is weighted down by ideologues as boneheaded as the ones ruining the GOP.
 
Most people have bought the lie told here every election cycle, that to vote for any party not one of the Big Two is to waste a vote.

People need to realize that parties have died and new ones been born more than once in American history. Real change has come more than once only by the death of an existing party and the birth of a new.

Personally, I'd like to see a new party, the Liberty Party, born of practical libertarians and honest Republicans -- or republicans. The LP is weighted down by ideologues as boneheaded as the ones ruining the GOP.

I couldn't agree more, if the GOP started to pull its act together and get rid of dumb asses who ruined a party build upon Freedom, into the unrecognizable party it has become, a Republican might actually get my vote this fall (not likely at the moment).
I'd vote for the Libertarians any day over the dems or the gop.

I personally like a two party system, it's do damn hard to get anything done in this country. Parliament here is a joke. It's also a pain because I try to explain how I'm an independent voter here, and apparently its a mindfuck for most Canadians. "How can you not like the Conservatives [Center Right], Liberals
NDP [Socialist] Green [Eco-Socialist] or Bloc [Quebec Separatists]???" I explain that the closest party I would vote for is the Libertarian Party of Canada. Then I get laughed at, like Kulindahr says, for voting for a non popular party saying its a wasted vote...​
 
It's really quite simple...

From the day Obama took office, the GOP decided not to do ONE single thing that even suggested bipartisanism. They do not have their country's best interests at heart, they have their own party's interest at heart as well as their own careers.

Long gone are the days when government actually served the people. Each and every politician serves themselves and their corporate masters first and foremost. You know that to be true.

Consequently, the economy improving while Obama is in office is the very last thing the GOP wants - that might suggest a second term. So, they will do everything in their considerable power to make sure our country stays in the crapper at least until 2012.

For Republicans to go on TV or blog their blogs about how Obama hasn't done anything while they've gone out of their way to make sure he couldn't do anything would be laughable if it wasn't so god damned sad.

Meanwhile, the GOP tries in a comical manner to look "current" to a young voting constitute that hopefully will know better. Just today, I head McCain talking about how Snooki was probably too pretty to go to jail.

This is what our country has come to....
 
SO WHAT. Just to remind you friend, when GW left office he left an economy that was a heartbeat away from complete failure -- a depression like we've never seen. Obamba, in spite of the do-nothing GOP idiots, made bold and courageous moves to stop the decline. It worked. Would have worked a lot better if the GOP had met him half way to help the nation through this catastrophic mess. NO, they chose to DO NOTHING. Yeah, the unemployment (and sadly) is hoverning around 9.5%. Just think what it would have been if GW had 4 more years or if McDummerDorf McCain and the half term governor from Alaska had been elected. It would be hitting 20% or higher. Our nation would have completely failed.

SO GIVE THE MAN A BREAK. HE'S AT LEAST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

Whoa, back off there fella. I was providing a link in response to a post asking if Obama had claimed that. I didn't support the criticism or anything resembling that.

Take a chill pill.
 
end of clinton admin--- budget surplus

end of bush admin--- largest deficit in history upon leaving office and a reccesion in full swing.

this is Bush's recession and history will record it as such. the ridiculous rebates and tax cuts as simultaneously blowing up the budget through HUGE unpaid for war spending, done off the books in separate bills to evade anti deficit laws.

His actions were willful and he knew what his choices would bring. He was more interested in imediate power than history or our children's future.

SO yeah.. put the blame where it belongs.

On dumb fuck Bush's retarded drug adicted shoulders.

oh and just in case I wasn't clear about my feelings....

FUCK BUSH AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON


Oh but you forgot. Under Clinton taxes were high, and Bush slashed them and we had an even bigger surplus. Oh..... wait..... that never happened as Republicans claim will happen now. It turned into the biggest turn of the budget of nearly $700 BILLION per year. But hey it created millions and millions of jobs right? Oh..... wait....... no, that's not true either. Under Clinton's tax increases he created 23 million new jobs, which were far more than Reagan. Under Bush's tax slashing he created a whopping, 1 million jobs. Blowjob Clinton was 23 times more effective than Bush in creating jobs at the same time of paying down the debt more than any other President in history.
 
Equal rights struggles -- be them racial equality or equal rights for gay americans, are done slowly a step at a time. Sometimes one step forward then two back, but eventually equality is achieved. Racial equality has come along way but the journey is not complete. Rights for gays have improved too, no where near what ultimately we will achieve but there is constant positive improvement. That struggle for rights for gays is obstructed not by the democractic caucus and members (sometimes not helped as much as they could) but it is obstructed by the republicans who by and large hate gays. You may find one or two that are not but when you look at them as a block of influence -- that block is squarely against you. Don't give up and don't give in.

phil,at age 17 i was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor and told i would never see my 20th birthday. I'm now 47. the tumor shrank when i was in my late 20s. I never give in. Being in West Virginia is probably different then your area but this is a solid Democrat state that has absolutely no use for homosexuality. I don't agree with all of your assertions but ty for a response that was intelligent and without insults. I find that much of the responses to Republicans in these threads mirrors the hatred some have toward us. I'm not a registered Republican but i find that hatred disheartening.
 
Oh but you forgot. Under Clinton taxes were high, and Bush slashed them and we had an even bigger surplus. Oh..... wait..... that never happened as Republicans claim will happen now. It turned into the biggest turn of the budget of nearly $700 BILLION per year. But hey it created millions and millions of jobs right? Oh..... wait....... no, that's not true either. Under Clinton's tax increases he created 23 million new jobs, which were far more than Reagan. Under Bush's tax slashing he created a whopping, 1 million jobs. Blowjob Clinton was 23 times more effective than Bush in creating jobs at the same time of paying down the debt more than any other President in history.

absolutely... and clinton and the republicans, in agreement, stripped out the banking industry regulations that were put in by FDR after the great depression specifically so that we would never have another depression.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml

1 November 1999

An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the giant monopolies which dominate the financial system.

The proposed Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 would do away with restrictions on the integration of banking, insurance and stock trading imposed by the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, one of the central pillars of Roosevelt's New Deal. Under the old law, banks, brokerages and insurance companies were effectively barred from entering each others' industries, and investment banking and commercial banking were separated.

it goes on

Legislation first adopted to save American capitalism from the consequences of the 1929 Wall Street Crash is being abolished just at the point where the conditions are emerging for an even greater speculative financial collapse. The enormous volatility in the stock exchange in recent months has been accompanied by repeated warnings that stocks are grossly overvalued

now this report that I am citing is dated 1999, so the republicans and clinton were warned EXACTLY by economists of what would occur if the deregulated the banking industy, and yet that is what the precisely chose to do.... and why?

The banks bought the entire government, executive and legislative branches in entirety.

During the final hours of negotiations between the House-Senate conference committee and White House and Treasury officials, dozens of well-heeled lobbyists crowded the corridors outside the room where the final deal-making was going on. Edward Yingling, chief lobbyist for the American Bankers Association, told the New York Times, "If I had to guess, I would say it's probably the most heavily lobbied, most expensive issue" in a generation.

It spawned the first attempt at corporate donation limits legislation that the supreme court overturned a few months ago. Do you remember Obama telling Roberts during the address he got the case wrong, and Roberts yelled back no we didn't?

and we almost had a depression ten years later as a result of lack of industry oversight.

and the vote to re regulate was just passed after republicans tried to fillibuster but failed about a month ago.
 
Under Clinton's tax increases he created 23 million new jobs, which were far more than Reagan. Under Bush's tax slashing he created a whopping, 1 million jobs. Blowjob Clinton was 23 times more effective than Bush in creating jobs at the same time of paying down the debt more than any other President in history.

'He' didn't create anything. Even his most staunch economic advisers admit that he was helped along greatly by the emergence of a new industry and the recovery from a deep recession. They took credit for it, but there's no way of knowing how many jobs would have been added had his situation been different.
 
'He' didn't create anything. Even his most staunch economic advisers admit that he was helped along greatly by the emergence of a new industry and the recovery from a deep recession. They took credit for it, but there's no way of knowing how many jobs would have been added had his situation been different.

That is misguided thinking. Clinton DID create those jobs by creating a policy of higher taxation and lower spending. That is what created the environment that allowed the economy to rebound. Bush the elder started on that path and it proved modestly sucessful so clinton upped the deal and made the untied states balance the books for the first time in years. the freed up credit let businesses have greater access to capital from banks and whole new industries bloomed, which made unemployment decrease.

Business is not run on cash on hand, it is run on projected income versus projected outlay.

that is why the markets dive when a big corp posts smaller earnings than they project... because it alters the amount of available credit in the nation.

This idea that if you give a corp or the wealthy more cash on hand as a way to increase revenue and jobs is not sound, as it pays cash out of the system instead of into it.

Money redistributes out of the business sectors and into private bank accounts, never to be seen again. Wealth gets redistributed UP. I am aware that there is a political belief that lowering taxes on the wealthy has a trickle down effect, but that is not true. Case in point... when the oil companies were posting record profits, they did not hire more people or give their current employees more cash, they just kept the cash and gave out huge bonuses to their upper eschelon.

We could alter the capital gains taxes to get at the money, but that is not politically feasable at this point.
 
That is misguided thinking. Clinton DID create those jobs by creating a policy of higher taxation and lower spending. That is what created the environment that allowed the economy to rebound. Bush the elder started on that path and it proved modestly sucessful so clinton upped the deal and made the untied states balance the books for the first time in years. the freed up credit let businesses have greater access to capital from banks and whole new industries bloomed, which made unemployment decrease.

Business is not run on cash on hand, it is run on projected income versus projected outlay.

that is why the markets dive when a big corp posts smaller earnings than they project... because it alters the amount of available credit in the nation.

This idea that if you give a corp or the wealthy more cash on hand as a way to increase revenue and jobs is not sound, as it pays cash out of the system instead of into it.

Money redistributes out of the business sectors and into private bank accounts, never to be seen again. Wealth gets redistributed UP. I am aware that there is a political belief that lowering taxes on the wealthy has a trickle down effect, but that is not true. Case in point... when the oil companies were posting record profits, they did not hire more people or give their current employees more cash, they just kept the cash and gave out huge bonuses to their upper eschelon.

We could alter the capital gains taxes to get at the money, but that is not politically feasable at this point.
No, its not. Clinton's own economic advisers don't buy into the meme that Clinton was single-handedly responsible for the successes of the 90s.

At the height of the 1990s economic boom—a period of unprecedented growth—capitalism American-style seemed triumphant. After sluggishness in the 1970s and 1980s, productivity in the United States had risen sharply, to levels that exceeded even those of the boom following World War II. Globalization was in full swing, and in ways that redounded distinctly to the good of this country. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the so-called Uruguay Round of international trade negotiations promised to bring untold benefits to our economy. The flow of capital to emerging markets had multiplied sixfold in just over six years—a remarkable increase, driven by the search for ever higher returns. U.S. representatives at G-7 meetings and elsewhere boasted of our success, preaching to the sometimes envious economic leaders of other countries that if they would only imitate us, they, too, would enjoy such prosperity. Asians were told to abandon the model that had seemingly served them so well for two decades but was now seen to be faltering. Sweden and other adherents of the welfare state appeared to be abandoning their models as well. The U.S. model reigned supreme. There was even talk of a radical New Economy, in which incomes would soar and the very idea of a business cycle would be relegated to history.

There is no question that the nineties were good years. Jobs were created, technology prospered, inflation fell, poverty was reduced. I served in the Clinton Administration from 1993 to 1997, and all of us who were involved in U.S. economic policy during those years benefited from a happy confluence of events. We eagerly claimed what credit we could for the prosperity; the American people, wanting to believe that the economic good times were a matter not just of luck but, rather, of good management, willingly gave credit to those responsible for shaping economic policy, in the hope that under the continued stewardship of such policymakers this prosperity could be prolonged.

But the recession of 2001 showed that even the putative best of economic management could not insulate the economy from downturns, and that the business cycle was not dead. The bursting of the stock-market bubble showed that New Economy rhetoric contained more than a little hype. And the Enron, Arthur Andersen, Merrill Lynch, and Adelphia scandals presented another side of American capitalism. Now the economy is setting new kinds of records: WorldCom's is the largest bankruptcy in history; the fall in the stock market is the largest in decades. As the market has plunged, those who confidently ploughed their savings into stocks have found their retirement incomes in jeopardy.

It would be nice for us veterans of the Clinton Administration if we could simply blame mismanagement by President George W. Bush's economic team for this seemingly sudden turnaround in the economy, which coincided so closely with its taking charge. But although there has been mismanagement, and it has made matters worse, the economy was slipping into recession even before Bush took office, and the corporate scandals that are rocking America began much earlier.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/10/stiglitz.htm
 
I said that clinton developed the model that bush the elder began... go read back.

I have that all in the response I gave to Moltens post.
 
I said that clinton developed the model that bush the elder began... go read back.

I have that all in the response I gave to Moltens post.

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What I posted are the words of a prominent economist that helped to craft the policies for the Clinton administration, and in them he admits that those policies were no more responsible for the economic boom than Bush's were for the 2001 recession. He was in the administration. If anyone knows whether the policies resulted in the boom, as Molten claims, its him.
 
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What I posted are the words of a prominent economist that helped to craft the policies for the Clinton administration, and in them he admits that those policies were no more responsible for the economic boom than Bush's were for the 2001 recession. He was in the administration. If anyone knows whether the policies resulted in the boom, as Molten claims, its him.

we are talking about things that span three presidencies. how can one guy know all of that?
 
My personal opinion is that the American people's attitude right now is A POX ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES! They aren't rushing to Republican ideals, more that they are expressing considerable dissatisfaction with a WH that had everything in its favor politically and is largely ineffective and politically tone deaf.

And being the party in power, this is bad news for the Democrats. Seeing that a third party majority is just not a reality right now, I think a lot of folks are thinking divided government with the congress in Republican hands to counter Obama's White House is a desirable idea.
 
It's hard to figure out what JB3 is. Republican or Democrat?

I guess just whatever side of the bed he wakes up on.

In your world, does everyone have to have a label?

The only difference between Republicans and Democrats these days is that one wants to run the country into bankruptcy fulfilling promises while meddling in your private life while the other wants to run the country into bankruptcy fulfilling promises while meddling in your public life.

Maybe JB3 knows that -- maybe his label is "Fuck you both".
 
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