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Obama's Speech (07/25/11)

I thought the President looked old and tired

And he tried very hard - too hard - to paint the Tea Party as out of touch

He shouldn't have had to try at all -- they are out of touch: out of touch with the Founding Fathers, out of touch with the Constitution, out of touch with economics, out of touch with responsibility. They're like little kids doing almost unrecognizable fingerpaintings of a house and proudly announcing they've made a home to live in.
 
^ your depiction is at odds with the 2010 voting electorate

Which was a response to an over reaching congress lead by far left idealogues

And the basics of limited govt are good if not all the specifics

I would think you would understand that rather than resort to degrading comments
 
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MoltenRockIII,

Touche.

I'll explain.

I made that comment before I "came out" as a conservative. When I first came to this forum, it seemed like everyone was gay & really liberal. So I knew I would fit in, if I regurgitated the same liberal talking points as everyone else. But I was uncomfortable doing it because I knew inside that I have conservative views.

Finally, I said, you know what? I pretended to be straight for so many years when I'm not. Why should I have to pretend being liberal just to fit in with other gays? F**k that!

So, that's when I became open about my political orientation, so I can at least express my views truthfully.
 
But the core principle of the Tea Party, is about economic freedom & fiscal conservatism.

. . . . their belief that we are simply being taxed too much, and we need to return to the constitutional values that made this country great.

That's what I thought, too.

But that's not what the Tea Party people in Congress are about. Their agenda is plain from their actions: put the burden for all the debts of the country on the backs of the poor. They use "we are all being taxed too much!" as a sleight-of-hand to move more of the burden from those who rake in tons of unearned income to those who slave just to make ends meet.

You want the values that made this country great? Then lets chop the giant corporations into small ones, take away all vestiges of corporate personhood, confine all political rights to human citizens and legal residents, and do everything possible to reverse the transfer of wealth top the top few -- those one thousand households with more wealth than the bottom one hundred million households combined.

There is no economic freedom when just a few can control the rest because they hold the wealth. There is no fiscal conservatism when people aren't required to step up and pay according to their means when there's a debt.
 
^ your depiction is at odds with the 2010 voting electorate

Which was a response to an over reaching congress lead by far left idealogues

And the basics of limited govt are good if not all the specifics

I would think you would understand that rather than resort to degrading comments

Who made "degrading comments" -- Molten or I?

It wasn't me -- I gave an illustration of how shallow and unrealistic they are. They're not conservatives, and they're ignorant of the way the world works, and as a result -- whatever their supposed ideology is -- what they are in practice is tools of the plutocrats.

BTW, Congress hardly has any "far left ideologues"; it certainly hasn't been led by any. What it has been is hogtied by enemies of liberty like John McCain, who despises the Bill of Rights and will filibuster anything Obama likes. Now it's being held hostage by enemies of liberty who value ideology over human life and rights.
 
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Libertarian? -- Maybe

Whig? -- They don't exist anymore

Full blown Socialist? -- Never


P.S. Would you tell a gay man who just came out & was formerly with a woman, that they were "lying" the whole time, and they might go back to being "straight" & dating women?
 
When will the "tea party" wake up and realize that the GOP has used them like a bunch of five dollar crack whores ?

Bless their well-meaning, simple minded hearts.

Obama gave a perfectly logical speech this evening, ( although the often repeated jet owner references grow tiresome and puzzling...)

The thing is, I don't think it much mattered.

If a size-able chunk of our populace can listen to Boehner's reply and nod their heads in agreement, we are, for lack of a better term - truly fucked.
 
Who made "degrading comments" -- Molten or I?

It wasn't me -- I gave an illustration of how shallow and unrealistic they are. They're not conservatives, and they're ignorant of the way the world works, and as a result -- whatever their supposed ideology is -- what they are in practice is tools of the plutocrats.

BTW, Congress hardly has any "far left ideologues"; it certainly hasn't been led by any. What it has been is hogtied by enemies of liberty like John McCain, who despises the Bill of Rights and will filibuster anything Obama likes. Now it's being held hostage by enemies of liberty who value ideology over human life and rights.

He was talking to you. Although I have no idea where he gets his ideas of you making degrading remarks?
 
Libertarian? -- Maybe

Whig? -- They don't exist anymore

Full blown Socialist? -- Never


P.S. Would you tell a gay man who just came out & was formerly with a woman, that they were "lying" the whole time, and they might go back to being "straight" & dating women?


This is not the forum for tolerance, compassion, or support. The people here tend to be very hardened, close-minded, and almost angry in their world view. On the whole, they really aren't open to any new ideas or perspectives. On the other hand, if you comment in Coming Out or Health or a couple of the others, you will find genuine people who don't label or attack at the personal level.

Just a suggestion...they even label the forum "Not for the feint of heart"
 
That same majority of voters now overwhelmingly blames the teaparty for the current impasse.

what the Public has learned from the 2010 elections, is not to trust the tea party OR the GOP. The Obstructionism is clearly coming from one place, and for me the presidents speech was a statement of fact, and Boehner''s comments after were a proof of the presidents statements.

No matter what, the GOP will twist every appeal he has made into the appearance that he is either being a wimp or a dictator.

The very same person that cannot compromise, through an inability for complex thought, also cannot understand that there is a place between wimp and dictator... it is called an elected president who represents the nation as a whole. There is NO other elected official within the government that is tasked with representing the entire nation as ONE entity.

Last night he reached out to those people he solely represents, and he did it effectively. That the GOP would rather cut off its electronic ears and sever itself from the internet, than face the rath of the comments of their constituents is damning proof, that they could care less what the electorate wants.

They are doing the bidding of their corporate masters, and they are trying to make the poor and struggling unemployed people of this nation bay for their keepers and handlers needs.

IT has GOT to stop and the people of this nation need to speak up NOW and CLEARLY.

WE WANT THE WEALTHY TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, AND WE DON:T CARE WHAT PARTY MADE WHAT PROMISES TO WHOM.
 
So you've decided that truth is established by majority vote?

You've fallen far, chance.

i was speaking to you - you referred to tea partiers as "children"

not necessary and derogatory - not "you're a cunt" derogatory but your version

my only point is that dismissing the Tea Party is a huge mistake - while there are members who are like with any "club" ;) fringe and loony

the idea of limited govt. is good - you should know

the idea of allowing people to work, create, earn and keep wages - is good

Frank Rich credits the Tea Party with stealing the populist agenda away from him - when it could have rightfully been his

fallen?

I'm feeling fine kind sir
 
1) The Reagan quote. The same guy that turned America from the biggest creditor to the biggest debtor, a stunning reversal that occurred just during his presidency. Fiscally responsible, he ain't.

What I got from the Reagan quote was an illustration on how the Republicans are playing politics with our financial crisis. They raised the debt 17 time under Reagan.

2) Obama keeps talking about the jet owner's tax. Please. This is a drop in the ocean. If you're going to do class warfare (which I advocate), use something more meaningful.

Corporate welfare is a serious issue. If many of the loopholes were closed to corporate welfare, many of our financial worries would subside, IMO.
 
THis on the polls I cited earlier in my post before this one....

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/26/debt.talks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

As the debt ceiling debate drags on, a new CNN/ORC International Poll reveals a growing public exasperation and demand for compromise. Sixty-four percent of respondents to a July 18-20 survey preferred a deal with a mix of spending cuts and tax increases. Only 34% preferred a debt reduction plan based solely on spending reductions.
As in Congress, the public is sharply divided along partisan lines. Democrats and independents, according to the CNN/ORC Poll, are open to a number of different approaches because they think a failure to raise the debt ceiling would cause a major crisis for the country. Republicans, however, draw the line at tax increases, and a narrow majority of them oppose raising the debt ceiling under any circumstances.
Fifty-two percent of Americans think Obama has acted responsibly in the debt ceiling talks so far, but nearly two-thirds say the Republicans in Congress have not acted responsibly. Fifty-one percent would blame the GOP if the debt ceiling is not raised; only three in 10 would blame Obama.

That was BEFORE the display of events last night, and the crashing of servers and unanswered phone calls today.
 
What I got from the Reagan quote was an illustration on how the Republicans are playing politics with our financial crisis. They raised the debt 17 time under Reagan.

Every time he references Reagan, to me it gives off the appearance that he's praising Reagan. The GOP also lifted the ceiling under other administrations. Why single out Reagan?

It would have been better to mention the debt ceiling being raised under Bush. Some of the politicians that allowed Bush's debt to accumulate are indeed still politicians including Boehner.

Corporate welfare is a serious issue. If many of the loopholes were closed to corporate welfare, many of our financial worries would subside, IMO.

Warren Buffet met with Obama in the Oval Office last week. Why not put a name to his story about corporate greed? The second richest man in America, Buffet, routinely recounts the fact that he pays less in taxes than his secretary. Buffet also talks about how this screws the economy. Why doesn't Obama use this story instead? We all pay taxes. We don't all own jets.
 
i was speaking to you - you referred to tea partiers as "children"

No, I didn't. Your reading comprehension is deteriorating, too.

not necessary and derogatory - not "you're a cunt" derogatory but your version

"Not necessary"? This from a guy who writes posts with better than 90% of their content personal and off-topic?

Illustrations are always necessary when people ignore facts. Of course they're wasted on people who don't grasp basic English grammar.

my only point is that dismissing the Tea Party is a huge mistake - while there are members who are like with any "club" ;) fringe and loony

Do you pay attention to the House of Representatives at all????! There's nothing but "fringe and loony" with the Tea Party folks there. They don't understand economics, they don't understand the Founding Fathers, they don't understand liberty, they don't understand government, they don't understand common sense, even -- no one who had any common sense would tell a family with budget troubles to cut its income, which is what they're doing.

the idea of limited govt. is good - you should know

A very tight parallel: the idea of a limited military is also good. Would you recommend reducing it even further when an enemy was steadily taking over the country?

the idea of allowing people to work, create, earn and keep wages - is good

The Tea Party types have done nothing to advance that. What they have done is to follow a narrow ideological agenda that will make jobs even harder to find, businesses harder to start, wages less sufficient to meet basic needs.
I know the theory -- I could recite it for hours, because I used to argue it for hours. But it ignores one basic thing: government is not the only enemy of liberty.

People who really believed in liberty right now would have enthusiastically supported legislation breaking all the banks and similar institutions that got us into the financial mess into at least fifty pieces each. People who really believed in liberty wouldn't be supporting an economic structure that can be accurately described as "trickle-up", where the poor pay more and otherwise get penalized just for being poor, where the super-wealthy suck up unearned income, gaining more in a year without lifting a hand than an ordinary person could earn in a lifetime.

They talk about returning to the beliefs of the Founders. Well, here's one for them: take the Coast Guard and other protection services away from all ports, and let the rich pay for those things out of their own pockets. That's how forts and harbor patrols were run in colonial days: those with the money to provide such things paid for them, not the government. And they understood that doing so was beneficial to them, because it increased commerce by making it safer for all the others who used the harbor but couldn't afford to help build a fort.

Today's wealthy want everyone but them to pay, and the Tea Party supports them by favoring legislation which would shift ever more of the tax burden to the bottom of the economic ladder. They favor programs which would benefit me by nothing at all, but benefit George Soros by many millions a year.

The problem at hand is getting rid of the national debt. The record of the Tea Party in Congress is that they don't care about the debt, just about their simplistic ideological fixation.

And that's why my illustration: They're like little kids doing almost unrecognizable fingerpaintings of a house and proudly announcing they've made a home to live in -- their ideas are two-dimensional and sloppy, when something substantive and in three dimensions is needed.

I used to think a Congress full of lawyers was the worst possible thing -- but the Tea Party Republicans have shown that idea wrong.
 
Every time he references Reagan, to me it gives off the appearance that he's praising Reagan. The GOP also lifted the ceiling under other administrations. Why single out Reagan?

It would have been better to mention the debt ceiling being raised under Bush. Some of the politicians that allowed Bush's debt to accumulate are indeed still politicians including Boehner.



Warren Buffet met with Obama in the Oval Office last week. Why not put a name to his story about corporate greed? The second richest man in America, Buffet, routinely recounts the fact that he pays less in taxes than his secretary. Buffet also talks about how this screws the economy. Why doesn't Obama use this story instead? We all pay taxes. We don't all own jets.

He's trying to reach Republicans. That's what a community organizer does.

He should ask Buffet to come make the pitch himself.
 
Really? You think spending 2 1/2 months arguing over the debt limit which Congress themselves passed via the budget, while knowing full well it would breach the debt ceiling, is too little time? A procedure which has only taken minutes, days, or a week at most in the past 15 years to get done. Sorry, but that's Republicans fault! Full stop.

Congress never bothered to so much as promulgate a budget last year, never mind passing one. Had they actually bothered to do so, they would have ensured adequate funding to pay for it, including raising the debt ceiling.

I seem to recall the democrats running Congress last year, right?
 
He's trying to reach Republicans. That's what a community organizer does.

He should ask Buffet to come make the pitch himself.

Buffet should quit whining and write a check to the IRS if it bothers him so much. Bet they'd take it, too!..|
 
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