Obese Dykes

[rareboy]

I don't think the thread topic was shallow.

It is more or less about other people's perceptions of lesbians.

I would say that until Ellen and Portia and few others graced the stage and undid many of the stereotypes that a lot of people had about lesbians, that most people probably only had an image of a mannish, heavy set woman with a bad haircut wearing sensible shoes and working as a mechanic or as a matron in a women's prison.

It is no different than the image that many people used to have of homo men being lisping, effeminate queens.

And the results of the study cited are interesting.


And by the way, for everyone who is upset at the term Dyke, haven't most of you seen Dykes on Bikes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dykes_on_Bikes

 

[quasar]

^ Well put.

 

[jackoroe]

I'm not the one throwing around words like "Dyke" and "Trykes" (whatever the hell that means). Further more, I'm not the one being a prick and alienating users on JUB. Because that's what the world needs most right? Alienation of "different" people? A person posting in a gay community forum should know better than that. I would hope so anyway.

But I'm totally the bad guy here. Yeah, my fault everyone, for calling this asshole out on his bullshit post. Sorry for my "baseless comments". My bad!

What we don't need, is for you to engage in name calling of another member. Agree or not, he gets to speak his mind same as you do.

His thread isn't the problem. Your response to it is.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Molten, you strike me as someone way too intelligent to start such a shallow thread....

"Every lid has a pot" you know.

Let's hope that every "obese dyke" finds their soul mate, and someone to love and cherish them in this bullshit-filled world of ours.

After all, if we don't have each other, WTF makes life worth living ?

I'm quite certain your 29-inch Abercrombie and fitch ass can agree with that.

You're missing the point. We are talking about obesity and morbid obesity, both medical diagnosis. Since you brought my size up in order for me to be considered moderately obese with a BMI of 35 would mean I would need to gain over 80+ lbs!. Sorry, but at 6'1" weighing over 265 is not being proud of my body or accepting it. For me to be morbidly obese with a BMI over 40 I would have to weigh over 305 lbs!

This is what we are talking about. As I said lesbians are 50% more likely to be obese than their straight counterparts. Gay men are 50% less likely to be obese than our straight counterparts. As Jayhawk so kindly put up, the obesity rate in America which looks just like any other contagion outbreak, and thus why it's called an obesity epidemic is for the lower obesity rate overall. Lesbians are much higher than that!

 

[Rubber Rat]

My str8 buddies all say that, but only about lipstick lesbians, quite the endangered species it seems outside in the 3D vs. porn world.

When I lived in Los Angeles for college, I knew many lipstick lesbians (I guess due to living in a large city). There's a good number of Lipsticks here in Nashville....but also lots of big/butch gals too.

 

[eyeoftheshark]

I knew a lesbian couple in high school!The macho one was fat the more <<girly>>was skinny lol ^^

 

[HoodedRat]

Almost all the lezzies I know are quite slim ... but I know quite a few fat fags.

 

[eyeoftheshark]

Lesbians are fat cause they dont get wild in bed,they just lay there

 

[MoltenRock III]

The study measures prevalence of obesity and the correlation with exercise in lesbian/bisexual women. Thus I wouldn't purely say that most lesbians are fat. On the other hand, women who rarely exercise are fat, that I agree.

And IMO, your OP is overall a generalisation and stereotypical.

No, you didn't read the link very well. What that study proved was that lesbians didn't have higher BMIs because they worked out and had more muscle weight. What the study did conclude was that lesbians were both more likely to be obese and by higher lbs than str8 women. What the study didn't conclude was why this was a fact.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Lesbians are fat cause they dont get wild in bed,they just lay there

Exactly the sort of stupid shit I was expecting to read when I opened this thread.

*ahem*

NONE of the lesbians I know are fat, or get fat in relationships.

I know quite a few chunky gay men.

So goes the stereotype.

Not reading your damn link about it, useless information.

 

[eyeoftheshark]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOQh3evqsI[/ame]

 

[rareboy]

Exactly the sort of stupid shit I was expecting to read when I opened this thread.

*ahem*

NONE of the lesbians I know are fat, or get fat in relationships.

I know quite a few chunky gay men.

So goes the stereotype.

Not reading your damn link about it, useless information.

Well, as I said, I certainly know a number of the overweight Rosie O'Donnell lesbians, so the fact that you don't know any may have something to say about you possibly not including these women in your circle of friends.

I certainly have a few thin male homo friends who seem to go out of their way to not include any of our fatter friends in their circle.

But you have shown how open your mind is by refusing to even read the link.

Interesting.

 

[EJMichaels]

I thought about replying with the statistical and sociological analysis, but several of you did that well.

Then, I thought about a feminist approach, and again, several good points have been made.

So, in the fine JUB tradition, I'll reply with images. These are two buttons I used to wear:

(and, for the record, my BMI is about 18)

 

[freefall]

No, you didn't read the link very well. What that study proved was that lesbians didn't have higher BMIs because they worked out and had more muscle weight. What the study did conclude was that lesbians were both more likely to be obese and by higher lbs than str8 women. What the study didn't conclude was why this was a fact.

I read it, on the other hand, and analysed it thoroughly, and unfortunately, you missed several point. The study focuses on the relations of the obesity, so obesity is directly linked to level of fitness here. The fact is, roughly 54,7% of the sample do not exercise regularly. And the total percentage of BMI > 25 is 53,6%. Coincidence? I don't think so.

And even if frequency of exercise do not correlate with BMI, at least, several predictors of obesity are significantly associated with exercise (P < 0,001).

Specifically, classification as being overweight (adj. OR = 0.61, CI: 0.43–0.84) or obese (adj. OR = 0.51, CI: 0.34–0.77) was associated with a lower probability of reporting frequent exercise...Finally, perceiving oneself to be a lot heavier, but not a little heavier, than desired a compared to being a comfortable weight or too thin was also associated with a lower odds of reporting frequent exercise (adj. OR = 0.64, CI: 0.41–0.99).

Unfortunately, cause and effect cannot be concluded from the study, because the study is a cross-sectional study; the study focused on the data acquired at one time, thus the association between the cause and effect cannot be determined since the timeline is likely to be unknown (chicken-egg question). This is again why the study did not conclude the premise you brought here.

Thus, even though >50% lesbians are obese, I wouldn't just to conclusions that lesbians are majorly obese and the vice versa, especially after the study also pinpointed the limitations, that several important factors are not thoroughly researched (first paragraph of the discussion section), and the possible effects of volunteer bias.

 

[derelictdarrel]

I'm not the one throwing around words like "Dyke" and "Trykes" (whatever the hell that means). Further more, I'm not the one being a prick and alienating users on JUB. Because that's what the world needs most right? Alienation of "different" people? A person posting in a gay community forum should know better than that. I would hope so anyway.

But I'm totally the bad guy here. Yeah, my fault everyone, for calling this asshole out on his bullshit post. Sorry for my "baseless comments". My bad!

You're not a 'bad-guy', it's very human of you to step forward to question/justify something.

So, do you want everyone to be held to the same standard? I much rather deal with my differences pointed out front and center than masked over and unaddressed. I don't know under any other conditions a person can better themselfes or give them a chance to justify themselfes.

The things you point out about are a ongoing and necessary entity.

Without this, you would have no pride parades.

 

[MoltenRock III]

My partner just woke up (he's all cute stumbling around, jet lagged in the extreme from flying in earlier today.... But I digress...) who is in the healthcare field, and I explained my findings on this. He said very matter-of-factly, "it's from lesbian bed death and replacing food for sex". I guess it really could be quite that easy to explain and accurately extrapolate. Is it the causative reason? Interesting, none the less.

 

[pai mei]

yeah i dont use the word 'dyke,' even if a lesbian is fine with it. i just dont want to use that word. just the same as i dont use the word faggot, even if there's a gay guy im with who is using it.

as for generalizing, who knows, maybe the study is accurate and there is a higher percentage of lesbians who are overweight when compared to the percentage of overweight straight girls. statistics being identical would be the REAL scary part. there's always going to be variations, if the variations are significant, then we have to look at why that might be. (there's very likely many different contributing factors, as there always are)


i found the original post a bit offensive, or rude, or whatever you want to call it, but i dont like this notion that we're all a bunch of judgmental, obsessed-with-appearace gay guys just because we're not attracted to people who are overweight. personally, i'm not attracted to people who are overweight, not that certain people can't wear it well, or can't still look 'attractive,' i'm just not sexually attracted to that.... at all.. but then i'm also more generally not attracted to big guys, aka guys with big frames, tall, etc, so maybe that has something to do with that. anyways, i'm not going to apologize for not liking overweight guys, and i dont think anyone should have to either. (that wasnt directed at anyone specifically, i just wanted to rant a little )

 

[asu1117]

I don't think the thread topic was shallow.

It is more or less about other people's perceptions of lesbians.

I would say that until Ellen and Portia and few others graced the stage and undid many of the stereotypes that a lot of people had about lesbians, that most people probably only had an image of a mannish, heavy set woman with a bad haircut wearing sensible shoes and working as a mechanic or as a matron in a women's prison.

It is no different than the image that many people used to have of homo men being lisping, effeminate queens.

And the results of the study cited are interesting.


And by the way, for everyone who is upset at the term Dyke, haven't most of you seen Dykes on Bikes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dykes_on_Bikes

Speak for yourself, I've never had that perception of lesbians. And to be honest, I didn't know anyone else did until I opened this thread last night. Of course, I've seen plenty of hostility towards lesbians on here before. It's something I don't quite understand, why our community must alienate others we should be working with. This thread is almost as bad towards lesbians as the bi-bashing threads we get every few months or so are. Childish.



And I'd say people are upset by the use of dyke because it's pretty similar to faggot.

 

[rareboy]

^ Settle down.

I wasn't speaking for myself.

There's no hostility to lesbians on this forum. At least no more than you would find among lesbians toward male homos. And it does exist.

The point was; it isn't a shallow thread.

It was a member relaying an observation by an acquaintance. And in the observation, when examined, was more than a morsel of truth. Which makes the information interesting.

And Dyke isn't by any means the equivalent of faggot.

A number of my lesbian friends have no problem calling one another or themselves dykes. I don't see that happening among the male homos with the word Fag or Faggot.

 

[JayHawk]

Jay, I don't know about this one.

<ponders for a moment>

I am convinced that, in the case of Americans, obesity is caused by something in our food supply, probably overprocessing with cheap additives.

I remember that when I grew up in the 60s and 70s, obesity was relatively rare, but our food was real food, viz, yellow chickens and fresh food grown in the garden, and so on.

Nowadays, chickens are pumped so full of growth hormones that they're white, and all of the rest of our food is full of additives that are hard to pronounce.

If this hypothesis is true, it may not be all their fault that they're obese.

I agree. Our food chain is the fault. However once informed you can then change but it takes effort.

Excellent Gif.... although what it displays is very sad.

i found the original post a bit offensive, or rude, or whatever you want to call it, but i dont like this notion that we're all a bunch of judgmental, obsessed-with-appearace gay guys just because we're not attracted to people who are overweight. personally, i'm not attracted to people who are overweight, not that certain people can't wear it well, or can't still look 'attractive,' i'm just not sexually attracted to that.... at all.. but then i'm also more generally not attracted to big guys, aka guys with big frames, tall, etc, so maybe that has something to do with that. anyways, i'm not going to apologize for not liking overweight guys, and i dont think anyone should have to either. (that wasnt directed at anyone specifically, i just wanted to rant a little )

See and I think this is missing the point. Yes in the gay male world often times guys will not find other guys attractive who have stocky or large bodies. However in many places folks do find that attractive. Just really depends on the crowd.

The OP isn't directed at lesbians who have body fat in the 20 to 30 % range because that is normal for a women. For a man somewhere between 15 to 25 is normal.

The discussion is about "Morbidly Obese" .... break that down for a second.... essentially so fat you are killing yourself. That is the same as smoking or sniffing glue... it is bad for you. It is becoming an epidemic in America for a variety of reasons. This focuses on a subset of our community but is still representative of a overall problem.

The use of words? Well I posted earlier about the use of pejoratives. Too fucking thin skinned and sensitive is my opinion. Doesn't that go way back to childhood...sticks and stones? That is not to say a child who is being harassed by everyone in sight, everyone in his or her day to day life and being harassed by calling him 'faggot' or her 'dyke' is acceptable. It is not acceptable in any way. I seriously doubt MR is running around calling young girls 'dykes' to feel superior to them.