Obese Dykes

[Ram]

I have seen a couple of fat lesbians. Must be all the pussy they are eating.

I don't find the OP post to be offensive. I think he was trying to draw out a serious problem in another group. We lost focus on the obesity part and started concentrating on the "you can't say that" part.

Being politically correct wouldn't stop the fat lesbian bitches from clutching their large oversized bosoms, dropping their last Ihatemanwichs on the lipstick lesbians furiously munching away their vags, groaning out in the most manly bull-like way for medical intervention as their puny hearts burst under the stress of accumulated horse-like fat.

The Indian population here are grossly out of shaped and most of them are obese -- it's true and it is crippling my community. I can take offense at the "generalization" or I can admit obesity kills and my community suffering and something needs to be done.

It's not about body image. Nobody here is attacking shapely men or women. Stick thin is beautiful or not, it's not the topic here. It's about the fat in your body. I know "fat" people who are in better health than most of us but that I believe they are a minority.

Being politically correct makes you think you can't say that because that's wrong when you know it's should mean nothing.

 

[pai mei]

The use of words? Well I posted earlier about the use of pejoratives. Too fucking thin skinned and sensitive is my opinion. Doesn't that go way back to childhood...sticks and stones? That is not to say a child who is being harassed by everyone in sight, everyone in his or her day to day life and being harassed by calling him 'faggot' or her 'dyke' is acceptable. It is not acceptable in any way. I seriously doubt MR is running around calling young girls 'dykes' to feel superior to them.

no, i see your point about being too thin-skinned, but i really have an issue (i know lol, that sounds so uptight) when people talk behind others' back using language that they wouldn't use right in front of them, or even if they would use it in front of them, if it would offend them.

when i hear a group of straight boys talking about the 'faggots,' like, i can't say that i'm officially "offended," but it doesn't feel very good hearing stuff like that, and on a certain level it does hurt. when u know the person, a lot more goes, but when it's just strangers talking amongst themselves about another person, or group of people, i dunno, i think they should speak normally, and not speak in a disrespectful manner.

i've been a "straight boy" before, so i've played the part with the rest of the guys, making racist jokes, gay jokes, etc. using the n word, etc. not that i'm racist, but i did it to fit in i guess. now that i'm more mature and infinitely more confident in who i am, i've left it all behind, because it is hurtful in my opinion, and even though none of my friends are genuinely homophobic, being called a faggot still doesn't feel very good.

so i just always put myself in their position with my experiences. if a gay girl was reading along and a bunch of guys were calling lesbians a bunch of butch dykes, i doubt it'd make her feel good. but that's just how i view it, so i'm not a fan of talking like that anymore.

.... not that i can't be nasty lol... but i try not to be

 

[MoltenRock III]

I have suggested alcohol abuse as a possible risk factor. Does anybody know if lesbians are at higher risk of alcoholism than their straight sisters? JayHawk's article only discussed gay males.

As per Jayhawk's posted article gay men have higher incidences of alcohol usage, which if we assume lesbians are the same (doubtful, but maybe) why would gay men using alcohol average 50% less obesity rates vs. lesbians that are 50% higher than their str8 peers? If alcohol were the underlying reason, it would be logical that both groups would then have higher incidences of weight gain from alcohol use, but that is not the case.

 

[pai mei]

As per Jayhawk's posted article gay men have higher incidences of alcohol usage, which if we assume lesbians are the same (doubtful, but maybe) why would gay men using alcohol average 50% less obesity rates vs. lesbians that are 50% higher than their str8 peers? If alcohol were the underlying reason, it would be logical that both groups would then have higher incidences of weight gain from alcohol use, but that is not the case.

not necessarily. alcohol use can stem from a number of areas. the club twink that drinks every weekend but is still concerned about his appearance and staying slim, could be just 1 demographic where alcohol use is up, but not the individual's overall weight.

im not saying that that's why, only pointing out that alcohol use really is dependent on a number of other factors as well.

 

[MoltenRock III]

MoltenRock, I read that article, and reached a somewhat different conclusion.

However, true alcoholism follows a different pattern. According to the article, true alcoholism rates stay the same, across the board.

Ah, I see! So you weren't talking about alcohol use, but rather abuse (ie... alcoholism). Thus, it could seem to be either a large or partial cause. Hmmm.... interesting.

 

[MoltenRock III]

not necessarily. alcohol use can stem from a number of areas. the club twink that drinks every weekend but is still concerned about his appearance and staying slim, could be just 1 demographic where alcohol use is up, but not the individual's overall weight.

To me twink is equal to dyke. Tomato / tomatoe. Why you find insult with dyke while freely using twink and other words seems weird to me. More importantly, to the heart of the matter, you yourself posted you prefer thin guys.

gotta say, skinny guys.

i mean, IDEALLY skinny guys with definition but then again i liked muscled guys too, just not excessively huge. then i find it gets unattractive.

You don't find it a problem when we are talking about obese and morbidly obese people? That's not ok. I can pull the statistics showing the death rate and disease rate increases by having a BMI of 35 or 40 or more. It's a huge chasm of difference.

Remember moderately obese (BMI=35) for someone 6'1" is 265 lbs. with morbid obesity starting at all weights above 305 lbs. While people may say they think body image doesn't matter, it does. We're not talking about needing to lose 10 or 20 lbs. That's considered "overweight" by doctors. We are talking about obesity and morbid obesity.

BMI calculator: http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/av.htm

 

[ShavedBare87]

^ I agree with you, btw, MoltenRock, that some of the JUBbers might be overreacting.

We're not talking about hating heavy-set people here, or anything about body image...

...we're talking about a serious medical issue, folks.

Then why isn't it in Health and Wellbeing? Just sayin....

 

[ShavedBare87]

What we don't need, is for you to engage in name calling of another member. Agree or not, he gets to speak his mind same as you do.

His thread isn't the problem. Your response to it is.

I do apologize for the name calling. It was childish of me and I'm more mature than that. I had a pretty rough day yesterday and was pretty smashed last night/this morning. I guess his post kind of pushed me over the edge and I overreacted.

Next time I'll think before putting my fingers to the keyboard.

 

[pai mei]

To me twink is equal to dyke. Tomato / tomatoe. Why you find insult with dyke while freely using twink and other words seems weird to me. More importantly, to the heart of the matter, you yourself posted you prefer thin guys.

how exactly is twink offensive?! yeah there's some connotations with dumb that tend to go along with it, but fuck, there are connotations that go along with the word "blonde." is that offensive too?

You don't find it a problem when we are talking about obese and morbidly obese people? That's not ok. I can pull the statistics showing the death rate and disease rate increases by having a BMI of 35 or 40 or more. It's a huge chasm of difference.

Remember moderately obese (BMI=35) for someone 6'1" is 265 lbs. with morbid obesity starting at all weights above 305 lbs. While people may say they think body image doesn't matter, it does. We're not talking about needing to lose 10 or 20 lbs. That's considered "overweight" by doctors. We are talking about obesity and morbid obesity.

BMI calculator: http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/av.htm

what are you even talking about!? you're crazy. this response seems to have nothing to do with anything. "You don't find it a problem when we are talking about obese and morbidly obese people?" what?

 

[MoltenRock III]

how exactly is twink offensive?! yeah there's some connotations with dumb that tend to go along with it, but fuck, there are connotations that go along with the word "blonde." is that offensive too?

That's the point; neither is offensive to me or many people. Not twink. Not dyke. But, if one does find dyke offensive, twink would be equally offensive by the same measure.

what are you even talking about!? you're crazy. what?

I'm talking about the actual topic of this thread; obesity amongst dykes / lesbians. I'm not sure why you're so lost, that I'd be discussing the main point of the thread. Or don't you have anything to say on the topic?

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Well, as I said, I certainly know a number of the overweight Rosie O'Donnell lesbians, so the fact that you don't know any may have something to say about you possibly not including these women in your circle of friends.

Well we know different people, apparently. How you managed to make that into me not choosing to have "fat" friends, I'll never know(and futhermore, this simply isn't true) - but that just shows how capable you are of trying to debase what I said.

In short, it's laughable that someone that's supposed to be capable of coherent debate can say something so stupid.

I certainly have a few thin male homo friends who seem to go out of their way to not include any of our fatter friends in their circle.

Well that says something about you and the company you keep. If any of my (for instance) black friends would refuse to hang out with me and my hispanic friends, I wouldn't have those black friends. But that's me.

But you have shown how open your mind is by refusing to even read the link.

Interesting.

No more interesting than you thinking I refuse to have "fat" lesbians - or anyone, for that matter - as friends.

 

[pai mei]

That's the point; neither is offensive to me or many people. Not twink. Not dyke. But, if one does find dyke offensive, twink would be equally offensive by the same measure.





I'm talking about the actual topic of this thread; obesity amongst dykes / lesbians. I'm not sure why you're so lost, that I'd be discussing the main point of the thread. Or don't you have anything to say on the topic?

yeah but i never had a problem with u discussing obesity, you don't have to reply to me about that. if a study says that the percentage is significantly higher, than it's worthy of discussion, or at the very least the validity of the study is worthy of discussion.



as for twinks.... good god man... that's a compliment! anyone that thinks otherwise is obviously jealous lol

 

[MoltenRock III]

yeah but i never had a problem with u discussing obesity, you don't have to reply to me about that. if a study says that the percentage is significantly higher, than it's worthy of discussion, or at the very least the validity of the study is worthy D

So the 4 studies I cited stating such a fact you haven't bothered to comment on. Do you have any input on the topic or no?

 

[pai mei]

So the 4 studies I cited stating such a fact you haven't bothered to comment on. Do you have any input on the topic or no?

my 1st post in this thread was #66 out of a current 86. i replied to what i wished to reply to, which was something raised by others. this is an open forum, if something comes up in the course of a thread, i have the right to comment on that specific issue that arises if that is what i want to do.


since you seem to want me to offer my opinion on the original topic, i'll give a couple thoughts. the findings are interesting, however, it'd be prudent to see nationwide statistics and not localized stats from, say, Mass.

assuming those stats hold true (more or less anyways) across america, it is worthy of taking a closer look as to why. particularly in the obese department, where health risks become significantly larger. one of the articles suggested that perhaps men were more predisposed towards aesthetics than women were, and thus freed from male-relationships women would sortof 'let themselves go' more often than otherwise.

it seems to be logical, however, it's simply a hypothesis. likely there are more than a singular factor imo, because the increased percentages of obesity were significantly large.

i mean, i'd only be speculating, but it could be a million different factors, from our social/media/political culture of how a woman is supposed to act and what they're supposed to care about, to perhaps a wider-spread susceptibility to depression in the american lesbian community.

 

[GamerBear]

(I do, however, know many morbidly obese gay men who seem to revel in their roles as if the health risks vanish as soon as you label yourself a "bear" and dive into the subculture)

By gay standards morbid obesity starts when you're 200+lbs.

 

[MoltenRock III]

By gay standards morbid obesity starts when you're 200+lbs.

Morbid obesity is a medical definition of a BMI in excess of 40 and not contingent on ones sexuality, and the definition used by the studies.

 

[GamerBear]

Morbid obesity is a medical definition of a BMI in excess of 40 and not contingent on ones sexuality, and the definition used by the studies.

Seems some JUB members describe themselves as morbidly obese or overweight when posting about their bodies. I didn't say it had anything to do with sexuality.

Gay standards meaning what's hot and what's not.

So an example would be Robert is over 200lbs so their body is considered obese by most gay men.

 

[JayHawk]

^^ But that is your personal definition. I do not know how tall Robert is but at 200 pounds it is likely the weight will not kill him.

However aside from morbid obesity it might help to remember the rules.... Rule number one Cardio.... Zombies lead a very active lifestyle and you should too...

 

[GamerBear]

^^ But that is your personal definition. I do not know how tall Robert is but at 200 pounds it is likely the weight will not kill him.

However aside from morbid obesity it might help to remember the rules.... Rule number one Cardio.... Zombies lead a very active lifestyle and you should too...

Yes but as soon Robert shows pictures of his body it won't matter how tall he is.

 

[JayHawk]

No what I am saying is that your right to many gay men no six pack and your fat and undesirable.. however that is not all. Bear and chub chasers exist for a reason.

If the people you attract with your body isn't who you desire then change your body...in a healthy way.

I recently hit 40... how dead does that make me in the gay community? Know what I could give a shit less... for as many "NO your too old"'s I get "hell yes get over here" Somebody likes ya or likes Robert or likes any other gay man in here... you just may need to keep looking hard enough to find him.

Losing weight after a lifetime or after a lifestyle of being overweight is hell on earth. I know because I have helped dozens of men who desired to stay in the Navy but weren't making the physical standard. 90% of the issue isn't working out in those cases... it was a lack of basic knowledge on nutrition and how to feed your body.

Change in diet and changed lives.

Seriously if instead of pure clean oil you put sewage water and sludge in your car's engine then how long would it run?

So how are we different?