Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

I hope you're wrong cuz it would be embarrassing for a female to know more about my body than i do, the explanation i always heard about uncirc (which i am) is that the foreskin is full of sensitive nerve endings hence the heightened sensation vs being circ. i always believed it cuz even with minimal effort my least enjoyable orgasm is still like

Ah, but here's where it gets interesting! Of course that particular type/function of skin has a lot of nerve endings, and pleasurable they are. But foreskin size varies with everybody (even after circ, as I understand it there's generally foreskin left), so I think it's probably similar to variations in dick size in that respect.


Particularly since most docs don't remove the whole thing so most guys in the usa prolly have foreskin, just not all of it. Most of the men I've seen do, anyway. I know there's changes with density and nerve endings by head size, for instance. Roughly speaking, the smaller your dick head is the more condensed are the nerve endings and the more pleasure you're likely to get. Not a hard and fast rule by any means, however. I don't see a lot of men going on about how much pleasurable a smaller dick is, though, and I think that has to do socially with the 'bigger is better' meme. Of, well, everything.

So, while the head and foreskin (however much is there) can be pleasurable I don't think it can quite be reduced to the usa's 'having more of something always makes it feel better'. Pretty sure most of sex is in the brain, anyway.

 

[Telstra]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

I saw a lot of cut penises, some looks good some looks horrible because of infection perhaps ?
But no, circumcision was not the reason to kill himself.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Besides, if it helps with the embarrassment the 'female' category was always a contentious bastard of a fit, anatomy included. I've probably also studied genitalia longer than you have.

Note I didn't say that foreskin doesn't make a difference in sensation (good and bad), it's just not an either always good vs bad thing like it's usually posited.

 

[SaskGuy]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Are you cut or uncut? I'm cut and I don't remember the operation at all, and I'm also well endowed.

I'm cut, but I really wish I wasn't. The only reason why anyone supports circumcision is because it's the cultural norm... and just because it's a cultural norm, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. It's mainly a religious thing, specifically to reduce sensation anyway... so why is it still prevalent?

Everyone would be up in arms if someone wanted their daughter to have a clitoridectomy, so why is it OK for boys to get mutilated?

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Everyone would be up in arms if someone wanted their daughter to have a clitoridectomy,

Snipped for relevancy, pun fully intended. If you're gonna go making that claim you could do a spot of research before inserting your foot down your throat. Usually pays off in the long run. In that direction, sorry to inform you it's been happening for, oh, decades and decades now. The irony is you either haven't heard of it (or just dismissed it) because it doesn't jot neatly with some favored anti circ rhetoric. And I say rhetoric because there's no fact to it.

I mean, last I checked most people were perfectly fine doing purely cosmetic surgery on infants for that perfect genitalia ideal - and they do a hell of a lot more than losing a bit of foreskin.

If you'd like to see how fine people actually are with unmodified genitalia you should peruse some of JUB's earlier threads when the topic comes up.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

-It's just, people make the whole anti-circumcision-before-choice thing look bad with shoddy concepts of current events. And probably history, if that's the grasp of current events that contains people with different genitalia than you. And there goes the gravitas that people try to foster to get the topic taken as considerately and seriously as it should be. You shot it in the kneecap. Congratulations.

I really hope no one is wedded to that particular bit of false hyperbole as a talking point cuz it's a stickler when you discuss things with people who can look shit up.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Out of purely intellectual curiosity, however, how many of you against circumcision before personal consent are also against urethral lengthening so you piss out of the tip instead of somewhere along/underneath the shaft? Cuz that's a fairly common procedure with no benefit but aesthetics and I've yet to see many people argue against.

 

[SaskGuy]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Out of purely intellectual curiosity, however, how many of you against circumcision before personal consent are also against urethral lengthening so you piss out of the tip instead of somewhere along/underneath the shaft? Cuz that's a fairly common procedure with no benefit but aesthetics and I've yet to see many people argue against.

That's hardly the same thing. Try again.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Out of purely intellectual curiosity, however, how many of you against circumcision before personal consent are also against urethral lengthening so you piss out of the tip instead of somewhere along/underneath the shaft? Cuz that's a fairly common procedure with no benefit but aesthetics and I've yet to see many people argue against.

The procedure you site of one of consent just as circumcision should be.
I am no fanatic about banning infant circ., but I do think that it is ironic that some feel as though evolution has failed and we must modify the penis of infants.
It it's (the foreskin) not supposed to be there, it won't be there.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

That's hardly the same thing. Try again.

On the contrary, it's exactly the same thing according to both your own linear thought processes (as shown here, anyway) and the reasons given by medical professionals for the procedure. It's a procedure done for aesthetic reasons. While I don't generally knock psychology the idea that automatically carving people so they look more like, well, you, isn't a good thing because the infant/kid in question didn't request, ask or understand the procedures.

So surgery is fine so long as it's normalizing to your eyes. In fact, it apparently doesn't even count since I suspect in another, oh, month or so the same topic will have reared its head (Ha) and you'll repeat the same wildly inaccurate battle cry that you did here. Gotta say, usually hypocrites squirm more.

Howsabout you sputter a few more, we can clear those up as well. Again, keep in mind it takes about fifteen seconds to look shit up for whomever else is reading and would like a quick contrast and compare of what actually occurs verse what spills from your digital fingers.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

The procedure you site of one of consent just as circumcision should be.
I am no fanatic about banning infant circ., but I do think that it is ironic that some feel as though evolution has failed and we must modify the penis of infants.
It it's (the foreskin) not supposed to be there, it won't be there.

Generally, yes. But when infant circ comes up it brings a whole host of other largely unneeded (and possibly unwanted) genital surgical procedures with it. A particular part of the anti circumcision demographic are perfectly willing to continue yelling "Lookit me, lookit me, I'm 'monstrous'!" while pretending genital surgery is only on them and that all other surgery issues with infants/kids happens in far off, obviously barbaric countries. But when content that doesn't pertain to their own, personal dick (as opposed to someone else's dick) needs to be passed around suddenly there's not enough room in the boat to give a damn. "It's not like that at all!" they cry.

That particular anti circ 'retort' group arrived to the discussion decades late, a discussion that included everybody and didn't focus solely on their dicks at the expense of others - so these days they just tend to piss people off.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

If he didn't realize until 14, how did he miss sex ed, health class and biology? I'm sure lots of people miss lots of information but .....still. That's quite the breadth of info to ignore four years running. Sounds more like he was in a nasty spot mentally and his circumcision is just what his brain focused on. As for the anti-circ literature contribution - probably. However, half of that I'd like to throw in the trash myself from inflammatory language. There's a (well, to me) weird idea in our society that to be a victim of something makes you pitiable, ect, and to have been a victim insinuates, at the very least, to have no will of ones own. Both false. I've been under the assumption that 'woe the fuck is me, when performed correctly it's exactly like losing the whole shebang' drips from some of the anti-circ lit because circumcision is one of the only things the writers have actually experienced. Most things seem large when there's nothing to compare it to. They could also stand to look beyond their own nose when they write on it, some of the things I've seen it compared to...eugh.

There are parts of the country where every guy is circumcised, so there's nothing to compare to -- and it isn't mentioned in sex ed class or biology because it's assumed to be normal. I didn't catch where this guy grew up, if it was mentioned, so I have to presume he grew up in one of those places.

As for the victim part, in my experience it's really easy for someone with low-level untreated depression to latch on to some thing that tells him he's a victim and link all the depression and any mental suffering to it. I've seen it happen as a way of avoiding the real issues, of believing that everything is simple, of blaming instead of recognizing there's mental and emotional work to be done and getting to it -- in short, it exports the issue from something one needs to work on. The trouble is that this approach doesn't work and only makes things worse in the long run because it actually multiplies feelings of powerlessness -- from which, if one is suffering enough, suicide comes to appear a logical step because it both ends the suffering and is an act of taking charge.

I don't know if it would have helped, but it would have been nice if someone explained to him that guys have cut and uncut penises, and there is nothing wrong with either. You should not be ashamed if you're cut, you should not be ashamed if you're uncut. As some have said, his issues go deeper than circumcision.

It probably would have, if that intervention had come early enough, because it would have made it possible to separate his deeper issues from the circumcision matter.

What? Are you worried that we may be happy without your permission, ethics, or values? How valiant. Wouldn't you also be forced to admit that being uncut, you don't know what cut men feel during sex without reading about how some researcher claims we feel? How can you be so sure your satisfaction is superior to the cut man's satisfaction?

My mother smoke and drank while pregnant with me. I'm not pissed about that either.

My father supposedly saw me after I was born and decided he wasn't staying around to be a father. I don't have any interest in caring about what or why he felt so, or even if Mother told the truth about it. Unchangeable. It was a given in the proof.

I wasn't allowed to take Latin in school because my mother thought it was useless. In hindsight, I would have loved it. Sure, I can take it now, but I can't get back the usefulness of it when I was completing school. Regrets? Not really.

It's never too late to have an unhappy childhood. If your mission is to make men question their contentment over something that is irreversible, knock yourself out. Beyond educating the public about the choice and the positions on it, I don't share your view that it is abuse and most of the country doesn't. You seem like you're howling in the wind because society isn't phased by your crusade.

For there to be some fundamental shift, adult men must share the belief that they are somehow suffering from Dickitis, but there is simply no evidence that circumcised men are unhappy fuckers. Your outrage and certainty that they should be is basically the veganification of male sex, and not that many people are buying it. Everyone is still a steak eater, and unapologetically so.

Yes!

As a psychiatrist I saw briefly pointed out, if only eighty percent of our lives is beyond our control, we are lucky indeed. The thing is to accept that most of what happens is outside our control, take control of what we can, and be content. Fixating on things outside our control is never healthy.

 

[J-23]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Let's get real: Parents who force cosmetic surgery on their child's genitals so that they'll find them more sexually appealing are sickos.

There's a reason that -- outside of uneducated, underdeveloped, rural areas of the United States -- circumcision is only practiced in third world nations.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

There's a reason that -- outside of uneducated, underdeveloped, rural areas of the United States -- circumcision is only practiced in third world nations.

Circumcision isn't on its lonesome and the automatic aesthetic/health reasons when it's (usually) done fit into a larger pattern that doesn't hinge on uneducated, underdeveloped rural areas. As the major medical centers that're located in cities with diverse populations and educational demographics will attest.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Let's get real: Parents who force cosmetic surgery on their child's genitals so that they'll find them more sexually appealing are sickos.

That's also incorrect. Regarding circumcision outside of actual medical necessity it's usually done for either/both religious reasons and to make the kid appear like their peers - considering other surgical modifications that happen routinely and those modifications are largely, usually only done to make them resemble their peers. Says so on almost every "What to do when" medical paper I've seen. Possible psychological issues are listed. If the hospitals changed who/how they worked on people and sent out "Bodies can vary often enough, no really" information instead of surgery dates then there prolly wouldn't be quite so many of those psychological issues docs say they're trying to avoid.

And by 'that's also incorrect' I also mean "Guess what, confused adults probably didn't expect mental images of their sprog dieing old and alone directly after birthing because their own reaction translates to how they'd view others' reactions to their kid in their community". Which doesn't quite sink to the level of "Trump said he'd date his daughter' sicko.

 

[refujiunderground]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Out of purely intellectual curiosity, however, how many of you against circumcision before personal consent are also against urethral lengthening so you piss out of the tip instead of somewhere along/underneath the shaft? Cuz that's a fairly common procedure with no benefit but aesthetics and I've yet to see many people argue against.

No offense and don't take this the wrong way but you were not born with a penis so you are not speaking from experience. In other words, you don't understand so it is weird for you to tell someone what it's like for them and their penis. You wouldn't want someone to tell you what your experience is like as a Transgendered male so you really should respect where someone is coming from when they say they felt that their junk was played with against their will. I can empathize with that guy.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

No offense and don't take this the wrong way but you were not born with a penis so you are not speaking from experience. In other words, you don't understand so it is weird for you to tell someone what it's like for them and their penis.

What you quoted wasn't me pointing out what it's like for someone else's penis. I repeated some generic biology knowledge that was most likely made by people with genitalia like your own. Here's something else; Fun fact - I'm as large as one of my partners. And she does have a penis. I suggest retaking a biology class if you want to understand the nuances of what I typed when comparing dicks, clits and everything in between - and the sensation possibilities therein.

And yes, I was born with it so far as I can tell. Not that that's any of your business. But if you'd like to pretend you're the only one who can get an erection and use that to go on and imagine that only your particular penis counts, hey, have fun with that. I ain't buyin' it tho.

 

[refujiunderground]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

What you quoted wasn't me pointing out what it's like for someone else's penis. Here's something else; Fun fact - I'm as large as one of my partners. And she does have a penis. I suggest retaking a biology class if you want to understand the nuances of what I typed when comparing dicks, clits and everything in between - and the sensation possibilities therein.

You're not getting my point.

The point is that the guy who killed himself felt that he had been violated because his parents did something to his private parts that he felt was done against his knowledge and consent as a baby. Sort of like molestation.

It's his dick. He has the right to feel whatever way he wants about it.

I think it's fucked up how male circumsicion is accepted but female circumcision is considered fucked up. It's the same principle. Boys shouldn't have their junk played with.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

You're not getting my point.

The point is that the guy who killed himself felt that he had been violated because his parents did something to his private parts that he felt was done against his knowledge and consent as a baby. Sort of like molestation.

It's his dick. He has the right to feel whatever way he wants about it.

I think it's fucked up how male circumsicion is accepted but female circumcision is considered fucked up. It's the same principle. Boys shouldn't have their junk played with.

If you're going to quote me could you reply to something that was actually typed? Cuz so far that hasn't occurred yet. And female circumcision is alive and well in the usa, it just isn't called that and everyone's perfectly fucking peachy with it, at least going by how often they ignore it exists when it's pointed out.

As I've already explained at least once.

That you're doing now, ironically enough.

 

[Draven]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

What a fucking stupid reason to kill oneself. I've known rape/incest survivors who have expressed more zeal for life and would never end theirs because of missing foreskin or clitoris. Pathetic.


EDIT: Also I am fucking-sick and tired of suicide being the international go-to solution for gay people, it's 2016 there are resources and helplines available and yet these...arrg I can't!!!!