Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[star-warrior]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

When our boy was born, we weren't asked if we'd liked him circumcised or not. It was never an issue, at least here in the UK.

However, we were told that the foreskin isn't separated from the glans so we weren't allowed to retract it for cleaning, just normal surface cleaning was fine.

So, when I hear about baby circumcisions, I fear about the damage caused if the person wielding the cutting tool is not competant.

 

[SoulSearcher]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

SoulSearcher, my reply was a response to something Jasun had said.

But now that you mention it: you're puzzling me, SoulSearcher. Aren't you Jewish? As sure as there was any requirement for Jewish people, certainly circumcision is first and foremost?

I prefer that posters only talk about my ideas, rather than about me, but since you brought it up, my post should tell you how sincere I am with my assertion, I was mutilated by my Orthodox Jewish parents, but I strongly believe it is an injustice to the boy. I don't like to mix religion with human rights issues, or justice in general, one can't argue or reason with the former, I mean why would God create the penis, and then demand that it be mutilated for a covenant? I can understand the sentiments of my religious parents, but I think it is urgent that we question everything that we are handed down, including genital mutilation and women's place in family/religious life, etc.

 

[Lukeee]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

I think it is silly. It seems like an unnecessary risk. If the doctor isn't good or they slip the baby could be scarred for life. In rich countries it probably isn't much of a risk because they have good doctors but in poor countries where there aren't any rules on who can do it, anything could happen.

What I want to know is how does the doctor know how much skin to take off? Do they just grab a knife and cut? What if the slip and cut the penis open? Babies bits are small, it must be quite difficult to operate on them. How much do they make per circumcision?

 

[milboy]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

Lukee, they charge anywhere between $150-$350+ for an infant circumcision...and doctors these days earn their income by how many procedures they do. The more procedures they do, the more money they earn...no wonder some hospitals push for this procedure! But that's not it! Not only do hospitals profit once off a circumcision, they profit again by selling the foreskins to these bio-tech companies so they can grow skin grafts from healthy foreskin tissue.

 

[milboy]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

A pierced ear "adds" to the lobe. The earing can be removed.
A circumcision "takes away" from the penis. The foreskin can never be re-attached.

Some of you guys say nothing is wrong with routine infant circumcision, but I believe it should never ever even be an option! Why even have to decide? A foreskin is not a birth defect. Leave it alone. It's his penis!

 

[milboy]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

Well I'm glad your still on the fence, should you have a son, about whether or not you will circumcise him. He's got a 50% chance of getting to keep his foreskin. And if you do get him cut, I hope the doctor doesn't mess it up. And to think that you would have him cut so his dick would look asthietically pleasing makes no sense.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

I'm undecided about circumcision. I think it should just remain up to the baby's parents. I was circumcised as a baby and I'm glad that I was, because I had and have no awareness of the incident and I certainly wouldn't want to go through having circumcison surgery now. The best time to for a circumcision is when the male is a newborn, because although it'll be awfully painful, he won't remember a lick of it all or won't even know what's going on.

My mom once told me that when I was a newborn she told the doctor yes she wanted me circumcised, and the doctor said it makes no real difference whether a male has his foreskin or not, and she said but it's ugly lol.

There is no pain now that infant pain killers are used.

They're not used all the time. My aunt had her baby circumcised and there were no painkillers used, as awful as that sounds. And the painkillers don't eliminate the pain completely, but it does help a lot.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

some of us think cut dicks are gross

lmao who?

 

[milboy]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

yep dumb ignorant Americans "I think it's ugly slice it off!" har har har. The the best time for a circumcision is um....when a male makes his own damn decision on whether he wants one or not. Yeh, how about that?

And no I didn't specifically call your mother dumb Sequence...but you gotta admit, thay wasn't a good enough reason (but it's ugly lol) for it to happen, was it? No.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

yep dumb ignorant Americans "I think it's ugly slice it off!" har har har. The the best time for a circumcision is um....when a male makes his own damn decision on whether he wants one or not. Yeh, how about that?

And no I didn't specifically call your mother dumb Sequence...but you gotta admit, thay wasn't a good enough reason (but it's ugly lol) for it to happen, was it? No.

Um what other reason is there? Again, it doesn't make that much difference in developed nations whether a boy is circumcised or not, so any reason for or against is fine. Appearance is a fine reason for, and it's the most common reason for. That it isn't a good enough reason for you is your own issue.

The best time is when he's a newborn regarding the extent of the pain, healing, convenience, and memory regarding knowing it ever even happened.

And no I didn't specifically call your mother dumb Sequence.

Well that's good, because that would have been rude and disrespectful.

 

[milboy]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

lmao who?

There are some cut dicks that look beautiful, especially when the head of the penis is smooth, NOT cracked and chapped looking like the surface of a dried out oasis in the middle of the Saharah desert. I've seen ugly cut cocks; from zig zagged circ scars (what the hell was the doctor thinking?) to skin tags, to even skin bridges, and there was even a cut cock whose head was so dried out and chapped that it felt like I was sucking on sandpaper, poor dude...his cock suffered after having his fused foreskin forcibly ripped off by the doctor. Yucky yucky. And by the way, most erect uncut cocks look like a few of the yummy smooth headed erect cut cocks.

 

[freefall]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

...I don't like to mix religion with human rights issues, or justice in general, one can't argue or reason with the former, I mean why would God create the penis, and then demand that it be mutilated for a covenant? I can understand the sentiments of my religious parents, but I think it is urgent that we question everything that we are handed down, including genital mutilation and women's place in family/religious life, etc.

Sadly, you can't. The issues of circumcisions comes along directly from the religious or cultural customes (such as Muslims, Jewish, some parts of African tribes) that a circumcision ought to be performed on a boy (some even to a girl, though this has been prohibited). More or less, it's like a criterion in order to be a part of the clan. And sadly, this is also the main reason circumcision restriction (I like this term better) hasn't been going smoothly.

To be precise, this circumcision problem is not an issue where someone can just shout out whether it's true or false, because the action of circumcision is not precisely both of them. The fundamental basis lies on the ethical issues; for some it's ethical and thus is non-problematic (since prepusium---the skin flap---has not much use), whereas for others it's unethical and should not be performed unless the child's consent is present.

I think it is silly. It seems like an unnecessary risk. If the doctor isn't good or they slip the baby could be scarred for life. In rich countries it probably isn't much of a risk because they have good doctors but in poor countries where there aren't any rules on who can do it, anything could happen.

What I want to know is how does the doctor know how much skin to take off? Do they just grab a knife and cut? What if the slip and cut the penis open? Babies bits are small, it must be quite difficult to operate on them. How much do they make per circumcision?

Doctors perform a minor surgery for circumcision. The action is under local anaesthesia so the child doesn't feel a thing DURING the operation. They first loosen the skin, then after the skin flap is retractable, they cut the skin in circular with scissors, leaving just enough skin to stitch. On poor countries, it is usually performed in occasions; like many people carry their own child to be circumcised. On this circumstance, it is free because it is a part of free medications for the ones who can't afford medications. I don't really know about traditionally performed circumcisions, but they carry higher risks than the ones done by experts.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

There are some cut dicks that look beautiful, especially when the head of the penis is smooth, NOT cracked and chapped looking like the surface of a dried out oasis in the middle of the Saharah desert. I've seen ugly cut cocks; from zig zagged circ scars (what the hell was the doctor thinking?) to skin tags, to even skin bridges, and there was even a cut cock whose head was so dried out and chapped that it felt like I was sucking on sandpaper, poor dude...his cock suffered after having his fused foreskin forcibly ripped off by the doctor. Yucky yucky. And by the way, most erect uncut cocks look like a few of the yummy smooth headed erect cut cocks.

Eh, I'm not interested in putting down or lifting up either kind of dick. I really don't care either way.

But I've never seen any dick heads that looked cracked or dried out or chapped whether the dick was cut or not. Dunno what kinda dicks you're looking at.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Re: Petition to AAP RE: Infant Male Circumcision

Not long ago a Professor was arrested and sent to prison for repeatedly molesting his adopted infant son. He, a well-educated man, tried to use the excuse that the child was too young to remember any of it, too, and I suppose there was some truth to his ‘defense’. And, too, unlike your circumcision, fortunately, the molester left no physical scars to remind the child - what had happened to him – several times a day - every day for the rest of his life. Still, I believe, the molester should be behind bars.

That's a little different than circumcision, but I see your point. It's funny that you wanted to take a stab at my circumcision, lmao.

 

[Seasoned]

A contradiction? Being anti circumcision and pro body modification

Please help me understand what I see as a contradiction. How is it possible to be adamently opposed to circumcision and yet do all other types of body modification, such as hair removal, tats, piercings and the like? Seriously, I'm confused. If it's not ok to modify the penis, why is it ok to then turn around and modify other body parts?

 

[Kennylingus]

Re: A contradiction? Being anti circumcision and pro body modification

Because everyone has to take a stand sometime in life and this is MINE.

 

[SilverWolf]

Re: A contradiction? Being anti circumcision and pro body modification

I think its because people view circumcision as a mutilation rather than modification. Tattoos, piercings could be considered a work of art in that your modifying your body to make it beautiful but chopping off your foreskin is nothing but mutilation in their eyes. However I wonder what tattoos piercings and other body modifications will look like when you get older and you don't age well...

Personally, I just see circumcision as convenient with its own appeal. It doesn't affect a person's ability to enjoy sex.

 

[Elwood]

Re: A contradiction? Being anti circumcision and pro body modification

Well my take on it is , circumcisions are usually done at a very young age (a few days old) and is usually not the choice of the person getting circumcised, but the choice of their parents. I am circumcised not by my own choice but by that of my parents, I did not have my boys circumcised as I really did not feel it was necessary, now if they choose to get a piercing or tattoo that will be their choice once they are old enough to make that decision.

 

[BrownBoi89]

Re: A contradiction? Being anti circumcision and pro body modification

Well my take on it is , circumcisions are usually done at a very young age (a few days old) and is usually not the choice of the person getting circumcised, but the choice of their parents. I am circumcised not by my own choice but buy that of my parents, I did not have my boys circumcised as I really did not feel it was necessary, now if they choose to get a piercing or tattoo that will be their choice once they are old enough to make that decision.

I agree with what Elwood wrote. I was actually going to come in and write something very similar myself. But you summed it up pretty nicely.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Re: A contradiction? Being anti circumcision and pro body modification

Please help me understand what I see as a contradiction. How is it possible to be adamently opposed to circumcision and yet do all other types of body modification, such as hair removal, tats, piercings and the like? Seriously, I'm confused. If it's not ok to modify the penis, why is it ok to then turn around and modify other body parts?

My parents didn't pick out my tattoos or have my body pierced when I was an infant who couldn't speak for myself.

That's why.

It's my body. I'll decide how it should be modified, not my parents and not some doctor.