Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[ThreeCrows]

Re: End Routine Infant Circumcision

I won't watch the video either, not to be disrespectful, but I just wouldn't want to watch it knowing what it is. I'm uncut and I was raised in the US.

This part:

It protects against HIV and other diseases

is probably misinformation that youngnihilist is just repeating. Which is why I would like to see a citation or source that actually backs his point up.

This part:

it looks and feels better

is purely subjective. I don't know about the looks part, but the the "feels" part? Guys who are not circumcised have greater sensitivity, so I am guessing "it" feels better.

This, from Sorekness:

the boys will feel out of place in the lockerroom

Was never an issue for me. So good on you Sorekness and your sister.

 

[arpeggi]

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It's ingrained in our culture, one of which fathers typically want their sons to be just like them, or an extension of themselves.
Apparently my father said "No son of my is going to be circumcised!", as he was not. I'm sure cut fathers feel the same way; arbitrary or not.

My sister's firstborn came in June. Shortly before his birth, she called me asking about circumcision because I am the only man she's known to be circumcised. I actually had issues with my foreskin until adulthood, when I educated myself and fixed the problem.
I told her that having foreskin isn't all that different, he just needs to be educated on how to take care of it as he grows.
She and her bf basically got him cut because it was one less thing to worry about. They didn't want to deal with something that would require them to have awkward discussions about penises. I said I would always be willing to talk to him about it, but they had him cut anyway. I didn't protest anymore about it, it's their kid. But to me their decision was about laziness and an unwillingness to be knowledgeable about a child's health, and to teach them about it as they grow: also called parenting.
They also replied, "Well he won't remember it anyway", a perfectly logical reason to put a child through intense pain.

Don't expect legislation though. It isn't happening. The medical community needs to end the practice of circumcision. Most physicians won't do it on adult men unless medically necessary. It should be the same for infants.

 

[hyperion]

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Hi all,
A large study was conducted in Africa in regards to female to male transmission of HIV. It was shown that circumcised men have a lower chance of getting HIV from heterosexual, vaginal contact. Circumcision does not affect male to female transmission, nor does it affect male-to-male transmission. However, it seems as though the results were misinterpreted by the media (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=circumcision-penis-microbiome-hiv-infection).
About 13 years ago, a controverted atricle was published in the Lancet (Lancet. 1997 Mar 1;349(9052):599-603. Effect of neonatal circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. Taddio A, Katz J, Ilersich AL, Koren G.). Boys are affected by this procedure and do remember the pain according to this article.
Cheers

 

[bankside]

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It's ingrained in our culture, one of which fathers typically want their sons to be just like them, or an extension of themselves.
Apparently my father said "No son of my is going to be circumcised!", as he was not. I'm sure cut fathers feel the same way; arbitrary or not.

My sister's firstborn came in June. Shortly before his birth, she called me asking about circumcision because I am the only man she's known to be circumcised. I actually had issues with my foreskin until adulthood, when I educated myself and fixed the problem.
I told her that having foreskin isn't all that different, he just needs to be educated on how to take care of it as he grows.
She and her bf basically got him cut because it was one less thing to worry about. They didn't want to deal with something that would require them to have awkward discussions about penises. I said I would always be willing to talk to him about it, but they had him cut anyway. I didn't protest anymore about it, it's their kid. But to me their decision was about laziness and an unwillingness to be knowledgeable about a child's health, and to teach them about it as they grow: also called parenting.
They also replied, "Well he won't remember it anyway", a perfectly logical reason to put a child through intense pain.

Don't expect legislation though. It isn't happening. The medical community needs to end the practice of circumcision. Most physicians won't do it on adult men unless medically necessary. It should be the same for infants.

Yeah well you point out the problem. Awkward discussion? What a poor reason.

"Mommy, Daddy, where do babies come from?"
"Oh sweetie, that's awkward to explain, but you don't have to worry about that. Can you say "eunuch?"

Also, there is evidence that HIV transmission can be reduced. But there is also evidence that doing appendectomies on newborns reduces the incidence of appendicitis. Removing their gall bladders reduces gall stones. Amputating their hands reduces carpal tunnel syndrome. Yaaaay!!! Healthy baby!

Here's an example of someone who didn't get AIDS because he was circumcised as an infant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

 

[thermodynamics]

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I think we're culturally moving in that direction, slowly. But it's definitely going to take some time. It will never happen legislatively--that's a non-starter because of practicing Jews.

I think the hardest to convince will be young heterosexual women--the sexual partners of young heterosexual men. I remember reading about the debates in the student newspaper when I was in college.

 

[HornyHenry]

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6 decades too late for me.
Being a victim of this hateful act, my sex life gets worse every year, especially after I hit 50. My other half, who was spared this assault and battery and is a decade older than me, can still get off in a mere five minutes or less.
It is truly a crime that this nastiest form of mayhem, sexual battery on a child, most heinous of child abuse, is actually legal. May the quack that butchered me rot in hell! What next, cutting off a boy's outer ears? I've told some who crab about female circumcision to keep it to themselves until the crime against us males is properly addressed.

 

[paatreides]

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Not wanting to teach a son how to care for an intact foreskin won't solve anything. That father should know he will have to be teaching his son how to care for a circumsized penis. Because it certainly does need to be cared for. HornyHenry is a prime example of that.

If you have been cut - at birth or because it was medically necessary (and it can be, you know (ever hear of phimosis, paraphimosis, among other serious issues?) - there is no reason to lose sensitivity of the glans. Here's what happens: The skin of the glans is like any other skin; it can become dry and calloused from constant contact with the material of your underwear (or pants if you're the commando-type).

The solution, according to Men's Health magazine and my own physician, is so simple. Pat-dry the glans after your shower each day. Work in 5 or 6 drops of pure Vitamin E oil, which is available in pharmacies and grocery stores everywhere. Be sure to spread the oil over the entire head and the skin of the shaft to include the circ scar. Within a few weeks you will notice the skin getting softer and more pliable. Do it religiously every day without fail; within a month you will begin to notice a distinct difference in sensitivity.

Once you've experienced the heightened sensations, you'll never miss a day of application.

 

[blackbeltninja]

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Circumcision protects against HIV and other diseases? Could you please cite your source for this info?

There was an almighty WHO study conducted in Africa which was published some years ago.

Exactly. Circumcision doesn't protect against HIV or other STD's. Condoms are 99.9% effective. Not whoring around, and just being in a monogous relationship where both partners are HIV neg & steering clear of needle sharing/drug use pretty much guarantees you an HIV free life.

Unfortunately, this is not true in the 3rd world ie the bulk of the planet's population. It can be an anarchic and barbaric society, where tribal customs rule over education and some idiotic witchdoctor saying something stupid like "condoms allow the devil to steal your soul" holds significantly more sway than the last 30 years of published research.

Your stats don't apply in the real world. Sorry.

-d-

 

[bankside]

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There was an almighty WHO study conducted in Africa which was published some years ago.



Unfortunately, this is not true in the 3rd world ie the bulk of the planet's population. It can be an anarchic and barbaric society, where tribal customs rule over education and some idiotic witchdoctor saying something stupid like "condoms allow the devil to steal your soul" holds significantly more sway than the last 30 years of published research.

Your stats don't apply in the real world. Sorry.

-d-

I was not aware that you considered the Vatican a 3rd world country....

 

[doctorsun]

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I don't think there's any reason to be militant about it. I'm circumcised. I prefer guys who are circumcised (not that an uncut dick doesn't have its merits...). I think people using words like "barbaric" and "evil" is just as much resorting to fear-mongering propaganda as the people who all but say that circumcision cures AIDS. There are benefits to both options. It's not right to outlaw it.

 

[paatreides]

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There are benefits to both options. It's not right to outlaw it.

Amen to that, Doc.

 

[blackbeltninja]

Re: End Routine Infant Circumcision

I was not aware that you considered the Vatican a 3rd world country....

Have you been there? Everything's really old and falling apart... can't they afford new things?

-d-

 

[jasoncrew03]

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I'm glad I got circumcised as a baby. I would have gone through with it anyway and this way I don't have to remember the pain. If I were to have gotten it done as a teen, the horrific images of it all bleeding and cut up because the skin had not healed yet or the after pain of it would probably make me vomit every time I touched my own dick or someone else's.

 

[bankside]

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I'm glad I got circumcised as a baby. I would have gone through with it anyway and this way I don't have to remember the pain. If I were to have gotten it done as a teen, the horrific images of it all bleeding and cut up because the skin had not healed yet or the after pain of it would probably make me vomit every time I touched my own dick or someone else's.

And yet I should not have been given a routine circumcision along with other boys like you, just so you would not have to think of the consequences or make the decision for yourself.

I'm not militant about adults doing it, though I admit to finding it odd unless there are serious medical reasons why. But I am militant about it being done to children. It's bad parenting, and abusive is not too strong a word.

 

[doctorsun]

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I don't get why people always get so upset about this issue.

I really don't give it a thought to get my skin back. Nor do I miss it. And I don't hate my parents or the doctor for doing it.

I'm happy being circumcised. Nobody needs to speak for me.

Exactly. I don't appreciate the people saying that I was mutilated and traumatized. My penis works just fine and I don't remember a second of my circumcision, so I think I came through it unscathed.

 

[birddog7]

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I thinks it's barbaric. I don't like that my parents, and the doctors did it to me without my consent. It should be a personal choice made after the guy is old enough to decide for himself. Not the choice of others for dubious reasons.

I don't even want to watch the video. I just ate, and don't want to have to clean up the puke.

 

[JonHCA]

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I have no problem with, nor any recollection of, being circumcised. However, I can understand why some people would be upset over it. I don't think it merits a full-on campaign against circumcision, though.

 

[StationToStation]

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the US, it's the parents choice.

why not rant about the forced circumcision in the arab world??? there it's religious law. . .

 

[BINOWGAYLATER]

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threads like this go along pretty well until someone uses the word 'mutilated" -

the hoodie boys luv their stuff - the "clean" cut boys - go ewwww when they see intact ones.......
it's often an us-against-them scenario - yet - we are all men? or mostly? last time I checked....

Mario Lopez was recently on his show (before their GIRL baby was born) stomping his feet - (not literally) about my baby BOY is not getting cut - no way - no how -- and my male dog is not getting neutered either !!
his wife said she didn't like "it' practically insulting his uncut manhood - and said - It's one less thing to worry about ! what's to worry about?- just leave the kid the way he was born -- the religious "exceptions" can do their own thing -
i read that arouond 1998 the AMA finally declared there is no medical reason for infant circumcision (to continue as a general practice) -
but to me - it equates to "extra charges" on the hospital bill - and nothing more !! and uninformed MOTHERS who don't understand what they are agreeing to -- in terms of potential "damage" to the male "image" the kid will develop later
Maybe he'll be fine with it - as many are -- maybe he won't -- but by then -it's too late --

There were I believe 3 uncirc dicks in my Navy division of 47 young men -- granted that was a long time ago - but the three guys were all from the 'south". Virginia, Kentucky, Alamaba. coincidence? or were they born at home on the kitchen table? maybe --- those babies have a better shot at staying whole !!
i think the Navy ones were the beginning of my "interest" in their diffrerences.
Only recently - my Aunt told me that even as a baby - I spent a lot of time "holding my pee pee - and i have very early memories of trying to push the head back 'inside" -- as a turtle retracts its head - but generally unsuccessful as there was not enuff skin to hide it !!

I think the doctors need to find another way to pad the birthing bills --and leave the little peckers alone.

 

[Apollo]

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Stopping getting into peoples business like so many gay men ask of straight people. It is at the parents discretion, and I don't have a problem with it. Find a real issue to care about for God's sake. Like how gay people seem to people in a blood battle to keep our rights in this fucking country. Why do to you care about a babies penis so much? This shit won't even make the news, cause it is STUPID!