Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[Nomenclature]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Yes, but the NOCIRC advocates are hardly unbiased. This is half their problem - they come across as rabid lunatics and are difficult to take seriously.

Yeah, i've unbiasedly spoken to people from both sides of that argument. Guys from like, CIRCLIST have a cut dick fetish, so they go out and get cut because it turns them on to be circumcised. Guys from the NOCIRC movement are literally driven insane by the fact that they're circumcised; They get really angry and emotional about it, and i've spoken to a couple of dudes who even had a breakdown and were in therapy simply because "part of me was taken away", and they feel like they'll "never be a whole person".


Both sides are kinda weird, i'll admit it. . .but at least the CIRCLIST dudes have high self-esteem, a positive image on their sexuality and they aren't spending every day or their lives resenting their parents. Good for them!

 

[BigBriCirc9]

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A male should have the right to decide for himself to be circumcised or not to be. A parent should provide and protect, no make sexual decisions for their children other than providing some sex ed and guardasil to avoid genital warts that lead to cancers.
All other English speaking countries including Canada have essentially ended this medically useless practice. Dr.s are out to sell services $3-400 for 10 min. work if good work if you can get it. Let your son decide for himself once he's adult enough to know what his dick is for, at least age 16. Fewer and fewer insurance companies are paying for this and the single payer health insurance in GB, Australia, NZ and Canada no loger cover this big of victorian take on sex that genitals are inherently dirty and disgusting and that masturbation and frequent sex are immoral and unhealthfu.

 

[J-23]

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http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/...ughter-she-injected-with-anti-wrinkle-potion/

Funny how this mother lost custody of her child for performing cosmetic procedures on her daughter, but it's perfectly okay for millions of parents to literally mutilate their sons in the name of vanity. Hmm.

 

[Lefty]

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J-23

That post was worse than apples and oranges

more akin to dusting and sand blasting.

Get the WHOLE story first next time.

BTW, her cow mother has recanted her publicity

seeking moronic flailing for attention.

 

[giftart]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Ultimately, this is what it comes down to for me. Just let the person make their own call later in life.

All of the crap about infections just smacks of laziness.

25 years abd counting, still no infection, yes they should let the person decide. It is there for a reason or it wont be there at all.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

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Funny how this mother lost custody of her child for performing cosmetic procedures on her daughter, but it's perfectly okay for millions of parents to literally mutilate their sons in the name of vanity. Hmm.

The problem is that circumcision isn't being done just for the sake of vanity. It also cuts down on infection in the early years as well as just after puberty. It also cuts down on the risk of STD's. Yeah, there is the minor chance of infection right off the bat, but the overall medical benefits are still there....

Also, in non-European countries, the argument is usually phrased in religious overtones; it's seen as traditionally a hallmark of the so-called Book Religions, making it seen as undesirable. In Europe, you have the religious angle is stressed, but you also have that in some cases getting circumcized was at one point a death sentence (you know, that whole Nazi concentration camp thing where the easiest way to tell someone was Jewish was having him drop his trousers), so it wasn't exactly argued against when the procedure was argued against. It's also a Muslim thing, and Europe is not exactly Muslim friendly right now, giving it another black eye.

So, once you get past the religious overtones, there are some sound medical, non-cosmetic reasons to get a circumcision. At least as we understand medicine this year ;-) ....

RG

 

[Shookone88]

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This is a law that is useless. It has no purpose.

Why the fuck waste time on this?

Isn't California on the verge of bankruptcy? Instead, they have some old christian who misses his foreskin and resents his parents.

There should be laws about having stupid, useless laws that have no bearing on real life.

Do you realize that being circumcised means you lose the majority of your pleasure receptors, something you will never get to experience in your life?

 

[Aguy666]

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The problem is that circumcision isn't being done just for the sake of vanity. It also cuts down on infection in the early years as well as just after puberty. It also cuts down on the risk of STD's. Yeah, there is the minor chance of infection right off the bat, but the overall medical benefits are still there....

Also, in non-European countries, the argument is usually phrased in religious overtones; it's seen as traditionally a hallmark of the so-called Book Religions, making it seen as undesirable. In Europe, you have the religious angle is stressed, but you also have that in some cases getting circumcized was at one point a death sentence (you know, that whole Nazi concentration camp thing where the easiest way to tell someone was Jewish was having him drop his trousers), so it wasn't exactly argued against when the procedure was argued against. It's also a Muslim thing, and Europe is not exactly Muslim friendly right now, giving it another black eye.

So, once you get past the religious overtones, there are some sound medical, non-cosmetic reasons to get a circumcision. At least as we understand medicine this year ;-) ....

RG

not exactly... for every study that says it reduces infection, another one comes out saying that it doesn't. I mean, STD rates in europe are the same as in America, despite the differences in cut/uncut rates. Read my post on the previous paaaage

 

[navidzurender]

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Do you realize that being circumcised means you lose the majority of your pleasure receptors, something you will never get to experience in your life?

According to medicine, it is still being investigated and is considered invalid statement

 

[Lefty]

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Do you realize that being circumcised means you lose the majority of your pleasure receptors, something you will never get to experience in your life?

And other than hearsay, conjecture and a desire to keep a stupid thread

rolling, what do you submit as evidence?

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

The problem is that circumcision isn't being done just for the sake of vanity. It also cuts down on infection in the early years as well as just after puberty. It also cuts down on the risk of STD's. Yeah, there is the minor chance of infection right off the bat, but the overall medical benefits are still there....

Also, in non-European countries, the argument is usually phrased in religious overtones; it's seen as traditionally a hallmark of the so-called Book Religions, making it seen as undesirable. In Europe, you have the religious angle is stressed, but you also have that in some cases getting circumcized was at one point a death sentence (you know, that whole Nazi concentration camp thing where the easiest way to tell someone was Jewish was having him drop his trousers), so it wasn't exactly argued against when the procedure was argued against. It's also a Muslim thing, and Europe is not exactly Muslim friendly right now, giving it another black eye.

So, once you get past the religious overtones, there are some sound medical, non-cosmetic reasons to get a circumcision. At least as we understand medicine this year ;-) ....

RG

People shouldn't have to get circumcised to avoid offending jews and muslims. Circ was NEVER routine in MOST of Europe outside of the UK. Just because Europe doesn't circumcise doesn't mean they should be flamed for it and forever associated with antisemitism. The US isn't too Muslim friendly either, if you heard some of the things I've heard then you'd be shocked.

Gee I didn't know that condoms were useless! Apparently the fact that 1 in 5 gay men have hiv can be totally erased by the next generation if all American men get circumcised...

Just fuck it, cut guys you don't have to wear condoms anymore you're fuckin' invincible. You should all avoid uncut men. OF course, this isn't my mentality. But it's other people's who think that circ completely protects them. You only have a ''slight'' chance of infection, while uncut guy have nearly a 100% chance.

Of course! Hiv will ALWAYS be driven down by circumcision. People think circumcision is going to completely protect them now, good work! As this article states!
http://allafrica.com/stories/201105050159.html

Whatever though, I don't care anymore. Intact penises lead to infections and behavior doesn't, because circumcision is an idea from God Almighty, because only one in a million cut guys get STIs in their lifetime.

Yeah go get the cut so you can be more promiscuous...you won't get sick!

 

[Zabotugi]

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If this was true, the word smegma would simply not exist in the modern lexicon.

-d-

Smegma is not a reason to get circumcised. I don't even get smegma!

 

[EwanSF]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Indeed, that is a fucking moronic argument. Clean your dick ya clatty bastard.

 

[Muzzy91]

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Why not inform people before asking the parents for it ? A leaflet should be enough to inform them that it is no longer necessary from a medical stand point and that it may interfer with the sexual sensation of their child. Informed parents could make their decisions having most of the facts.
A law to just disallow parental choice seems harsh to me.

I think that this is one of the best posts in this entire thread.

All the people who are complaining about being cut as a baby and not having the choice yourself are blowing things way out of proportion in my opinion. Has not having foreskin really played that much of a role in your life?

Was I cut as a baby? Yes

Am I okay that my parents decided to have it done? Yes

Has not having foreskin been a major factor in determining the outcome of my entire life? No

Up until the age of 18, parents make a plethora of choices for their child that they believe are in the child's best interests. If the parents decide that circumsion is in the best interest of their son, then I think they should be able to have it done.

 

[jonduer]

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Well I guess I opened Pandora's box with a response to a new's article. I made two mistakes. 1. There is NO exemption for religious reasons which raises antisemitism and the mark of circumcision going back into the Middle Ages in Europe and England. That is the underlying reason for not circumcising in Europe with the addion of religious reasons in Latin America and other reasons in Asia here and there.
2. The anticirc people have brought up all their illogical reasons ad nauseum. Their reasons boil down to the fetish of worshipping the prepuce thus making this a "religious reason." Hence the hysteria and the nonsense of the San Francisco ballot.

Anhone knows that it takes a human child to mature into adolescence. And as psychologists know adolesence extends into the thirties for some humans. Parents are needed. When they neglect the child, the adult can have all kinds of physical and psychoological problems.

I said that parents have the right to leave their child's foreskin alone. They also have the right to have him circumcised. I respect either. Either is not important.

But what is really childish to say only leave the foreskin alone.
And do what I say. Like a child who will not give up a toy because he wants to.

I happen to like circumcision for all kinds of reasons. My familiy likes it. Most of our culture likes it. But it doesn't matter really. i guess you and I are really fools, like flying the American flag, or t bothering doing an apendectomy, or eating brocoli, or staying under the sun too long, or walking on thin ice, or at 16 driving the car 80 miles an hour to impress your girlfriend.

 

[Nomenclature]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Smegma is not a reason to get circumcised. I don't even get smegma!

Fun Fact: The vagina produces up to 30 times more smegma than the male foreskin does. Is hygiene is the deciding factor, then why aren't we removing the clitoral hood and/or labia in baby girls?

 

[jonduer]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Well I guess I opened Pandora's box with a response to a new's article. I made two mistakes. 1. There is NO exemption for religious reasons which raises antisemitism and the mark of circumcision going back into the Middle Ages in Europe and England. That is the underlying reason for not circumcising in Europe with the addition of religious reasons in Latin America and other reasons in Asia here and there.

2. The anticirc people have brought up all their illogical reasons ad nauseum. Their reasons boil down to the fetish of worshipping the prepuce thus making this a "religious reason." Hence the hysteria and the nonsense of the San Francisco ballot.

Anyone knows that it takes a human child to mature into adolesence. And as psychologists know adolesence extends into the thirties for some humans. Parents are needed. When they neglect the child, the adult can have all kinds of physical and psychological problems.

I said that parents have the right to leave their child's foreskin alone. They also have the right to have him circumcised. I respect either. Either is not important.

But what is really childish is to say only leave the foreskin alone.
And do what I say. Like a child who will not give up a toy because he wants to.

I happen to like circumcision for all kinds of reasons. My familiy likes it. Most of our culture likes it. But it doesn't matter really. I guess you and I are really fools, like flying the American flag, or bothering doing an apendectomy, or eating brocoli, or staying under the sun too long, or walking on thin ice, or at 16 driving the car 80 miles an hour to impress your girlfriend.

I apologize for some of wrong spelling. There are others. I wrote this late at night.

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Well I guess I opened Pandora's box with a response to a new's article. I made two mistakes. 1. There is NO exemption for religious reasons which raises antisemitism and the mark of circumcision going back into the Middle Ages in Europe and England. That is the underlying reason for not circumcising in Europe with the addion of religious reasons in Latin America and other reasons in Asia here and there.
2. The anticirc people have brought up all their illogical reasons ad nauseum. Their reasons boil down to the fetish of worshipping the prepuce thus making this a "religious reason." Hence the hysteria and the nonsense of the San Francisco ballot.

Anhone knows that it takes a human child to mature into adolescence. And as psychologists know adolesence extends into the thirties for some humans. Parents are needed. When they neglect the child, the adult can have all kinds of physical and psychoological problems.

I said that parents have the right to leave their child's foreskin alone. They also have the right to have him circumcised. I respect either. Either is not important.

But what is really childish to say only leave the foreskin alone.
And do what I say. Like a child who will not give up a toy because he wants to.

I happen to like circumcision for all kinds of reasons. My familiy likes it. Most of our culture likes it. But it doesn't matter really. i guess you and I are really fools, like flying the American flag, or t bothering doing an apendectomy, or eating brocoli, or staying under the sun too long, or walking on thin ice, or at 16 driving the car 80 miles an hour to impress your girlfriend.

If any other poster besides you posted this I think your opening post would seem more innocent. We all know you like circumcision but you bring it up OVER AND OVER again and it's quite obvious what your point is. I don't agree with the ban either, and I actually haven't even talked about this in real life away from online. I'm just saying that I've never had problems keeping my dick clean, while certain people on here that don't even have a foreskin are sitting here talking about how hard it is. (I was a REALLY dirty teen and I never got an infection). Behaviors lead to STDs not what type of dick you have. If that were not the case then we would have a much higher STD rate wouldn't we? Wouldn't you feel more comfortable knowing that your partner uses condoms, rather than bareback all the time thinking circ will protect him? All I'm saying. I know that sometimes men HAVE to get cut, but it usually doesn't happen, and it happens unnecessarily in this country (sometimes a circ is not needed) alot compared to other countries that don't circ as much. That's the main problem I have with some pro-circs, they think their dick is nearly invincible. High risk sex behaviors have consequences, but your dick can't get an std from your hand. All this ''circ protects you from xxx disease" stuff is giving people a false sense of security. Men already don't use condoms enough and now this? Especially among gay men, this is an idea that is not needed.

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Fun Fact: The vagina produces up to 30 times more smegma than the male foreskin does. Is hygiene is the deciding factor, then why aren't we removing the clitoral hood and/or labia in baby girls?

Because that's ''female genital mutialtion''. They wouldn't even allow a ritual pinprick for girls years back. The clitoral hood is pretty much like the foreskin, but people find the idea of removing that from an infant girl as barbaric. (which they should)

I don't know enough about the female genitalia to say if there would be any benefit to it. (I've read claims that there are benefits) But I've never really used that as a comparison since it's already banned. On a side note though, I have seen some people say that they wouldn't have a problem with female circ if that's the cultures belief and that's what the parents think is good for their child.

 

[blackbeltninja]

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Smegma is not a reason to get circumcised. I don't even get smegma!

Indeed, that is a fucking moronic argument. Clean your dick ya clatty bastard.

Whoa. Easy, tiger!

I'm just offering this as evidence that hygiene CAN SOMETIMES be an issue for uncircumcised guys. As far as you guys are arguing, you'd swear the uncuts were simply pissing out Chanel No. 5 all day.

-d-