Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[sixthson]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

Uncut dicks naturally produce "smegma" to lubricate the head of the penis under the skin. That, combined with sweat and trickles of urine or semen that get stuck under the skin, start to stink badly. Lint can also get caught around the foreskin, so I can defenitely understand why someone would want the prodedure for hygenic reasons.

Butts smell, underarms smell, mouths smell, belly buttons smell, feet smell, ears smell. Only dicks are surgically altered to prevent smelling. The rest just get washed.

 

[belamyi]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

Of course, we recognize that costs don't only speak to finances.

I have to say that it is a relief to read the sensible contributions of MoltenRock, Corny, Bankside, Hooded Rat et al. Sometimes it just does my head in to read the absolute tripe that gets vomited all over the net.

And what is this strange argument that says when you have your own kids, you can choose whether to unnecessarily cut them or not, too? WTF? Is this obtuseness or confusion about the fundamentals of the anti-circumcision argument? I wonder if the same people also advocate parental abuse in any other presentation. I mean, generally, circumcision is carried out because 'dad' has a circumcised penis, not because there are health benefits to a child with an obviously malformed foreskin. So the argument employed is that we should have the right to abuse/inflict pain/damage a child's sexual organ because his grandparents did the same to their child/his father...

That's right, and as long as they are American, Christian, and remove their sons' foreskin and not their daughters' clitoris, the same argument used for the latter case in Islamic Africa stands perfectly reasonable and consistent in their case.

 

[pigface]

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[Rex]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

I'm gonna close out this thread by saying that circumcision is never gonna go away, so deal with it. I'm not sure if everyone who's so against it are people who are bitter at their parents for circumcising them, or what the issue is. Be happy with what you have and if you don't like being uncircumcised, you have options. If you like it, great! Go out and get yours dicks sucked.

At the end of the day, these are just my opinions. You can all go out and do whatever the FUCK you want to do.

 

[rareboy]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

I doubt if you are the one who is going to close out this thread, but interesting thought.

 

[frankfrank]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

My parents made that "irreversible decision" for me when I was a baby...

I don't have an issue with it, and I don't think that I miss the foreskin that isn't there. I also think that more guys prefer "cut" guys sexually (though I also don't think the difference is all that big), and possibly that "helped" with sex partners in the past when I was playing around.

I am neutral on the subject but as you point out nature does make some mistakes in design


Maybe as humans evolve the foreskin would go the way of the wisdom teeth?

I assume that the foreskin was designed to protect from insect bites, brushing against trees, etc. When humans were hunters and gatherers, they were at the mercy of nature.

But even if I was uncut, I still don't think that I'd want to piss into the Amazon River and have one of those strange little fish swim up my piss stream and lodge in my penis, LOL. Is that true, or an urban legend?

I'm not sure why the foreskin would devolve away, because I can't think of any natural selection which prefers it not to be there, and when a guy is cut it doesn't change his DNA.

The "hygiene" thing is the most idiotic argument ever.

The differences in hygiene are very real. Skank can happen with anybody, but usually when I found somebody with a skanky dick, it was an uncut one. It makes sense that having an area that seldom (if ever) entirely dries out, some things we'd rather not think about can build up down there.

 

[bankside]

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The differences in hygiene are very real. Skank can happen with anybody, but usually when I found somebody with a skanky dick, it was an uncut one. It makes sense that having an area that seldom (if ever) entirely dries out, some things we'd rather not think about can build up down there.

I think the differences in hygiene are deceptive. Do you prefer someone who washes his penis, cut or not? Or do you prefer someone who only appears to wash his penis because most of the smegma rubs off on the fabric of his boxers?

 

[Rex]

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I think the differences in hygiene are deceptive. Do you prefer someone who washes his penis, cut or not? Or do you prefer someone who only appears to wash his penis because most of the smegma rubs off on the fabric of his boxers?

The hygienic reasons are very real, even though most people in this thread tried to blow them off as BS. Fact of the matter is, an uncut guy is more prone to having a dirty dick and needs to spend extra time and effort with cleaning and maintaining cleanliness.


I'm uncut and I'm telling you, having an uncut dick means you need to make sure you are freshly showered before sex. Otherwise, the smell is there. The smell is a huge turn off. I don't mind being uncut but it defenitely seems like it'd be a hell of a lot easier being cut. I'm not sure if it's better or worse because I've never been both, but all these anti circumcision people are really ridiculous.

 

[belamyi]

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I'm gonna close out this thread by saying that circumcision is never gonna go away, so deal with it.

Neither will war, sickness, corruption, hunger, injustice and what not. What a wise observation the one you just made there.

I'm not sure if everyone who's so against it are people who are bitter at their parents for circumcising them, or what the issue is.

The issue is people purporting to be reasonable while in fact jusy complying with anything imposed to their lazy minds by the force of habit, and thereby leaving the door open to whatever apparently reasonable practice and justification for it on whatever minor or vital topic.
This topic deals with dickheads, but mostly the hairy ones.

Be happy with what you have and if you don't like being uncircumcised, you have options. If you like it, great! Go out and get yours dicks sucked.

At the end of the day, these are just my opinions. You can all go out and do whatever the FUCK you want to do.

Yeas, we always have plenty of options, including those who harm us one way or another. So I ultimately agree with you: let everybody get screwed their own way.

 

[belamyi]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

The hygienic reasons are very real, even though most people in this thread tried to blow them off as BS. Fact of the matter is, an uncut guy is more prone to having a dirty dick and needs to spend extra time and effort with cleaning and maintaining cleanliness.

If at all, you mean like a couple of seconds of extra rubbing?

I'm uncut and I'm telling you, having an uncut dick means you need to make sure you are freshly showered before sex. Otherwise, the smell is there. The smell is a huge turn off. I don't mind being uncut but it defenitely seems like it'd be a hell of a lot easier being cut. I'm not sure if it's better or worse because I've never been both, but all these anti circumcision people are really ridiculous.

Maybe some guys have in their foreskin area the secretion problems other have in their scalps and are naturally smellier, or they are merely slobs, but when you are so anal about trimming the male genital zone, you somehow seem to imply that men were created with an imperfection in their schlongs... in that case, I would understand why YHVH had to issue an update dealing with anti-abomination patches for dickheads and why the Torah makes such a big issue out of it.

Seriously, I think the smell problems you are referring to can be due to poor hygiene after peeing: I'm often amazed by the number of guys who confess they don't care about the drops left in the meatus. I can never be like the guys whom I hear arrive to the closet next door in a public restroom, discharge and leave right away: I need to pull my meat back and forth until I am sure that no drops are left at the tip of the urethra. Maybe I am screwing something by doing that, or maybe it's precisely the right thing to do, but at least I don't have smelling problems down there.

 

[MoltenRock III]

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The only times I've ever had a smell issue is when I was getting over my accident, and had been on powerful antibiotics for 7 weeks solid, thus upsetting my natural bacteria balance in my gut. If your dick stinks it's because your diet is fucked up or you don't know how to maintain your dick.

The glans of an uncut cock is just like your mouth / lips; where outer skin becomes internal skin. Brushing your teeth 2 or 3 times daily, plus using mouthwash as needed in order to maintain freshness doesn't have millions lining up for surgically cutting holes in infants cheeks does it? Millions of infants / teens / adults aren't lining up to have their sweat (endocrine) glands removed from their armpits or groin area either, yet both smell bad too if unwashed.

 

[yummylongsword]

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The only times I've ever had a smell issue is when I was getting over my accident, and had been on powerful antibiotics for 7 weeks solid, thus upsetting my natural bacteria balance in my gut. If your dick stinks it's because your diet is fucked up or you don't know how to maintain your dick.

The glans of an uncut cock is just like your mouth / lips; where outer skin becomes internal skin. Brushing your teeth 2 or 3 times daily, plus using mouthwash as needed in order to maintain freshness doesn't have millions lining up for surgically cutting holes in infants cheeks does it? Millions of infants / teens / adults aren't lining up to have their sweat (endocrine) glands removed from their armpits or groin area either, yet both smell bad too if unwashed.

This is true, although some people have legitimate problems with their foreskin that will not allow them to keep their penis properly cleaned. The foreskin, for whatever reason, very often has complications, far more than complications than are likely to develop around your mouth for example.

Regardless, if a better smell were the only benefit, I would not support infant circumcision (or at least the choice to have it). However, there are many other benefits associated with circumcision. It toughens the skin at the head of the penis, reducing the chance of physical injury. It reduces the risk of penile cancer. It reduces the risk of urinary tract infections and hygiene-related medical issues. It reduces the chance of many, many STI's including HIV/AIDS (and no, I'm not saying cut guys can go bareback all over the place, I'm just saying it reduces the chance by up to 66%).

The only drawbacks are the cosmetic problem and the widely unverified sexual drawbacks that are easily counter-argued with benefits. It seems pretty clear that objectively, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. Of course you could opt out of having the procedure for your own child for whatever reason you chose, but arguing to ban it for others seems overbearing.

Also, I guarantee most circumcisions don't run at $23,000. They go for much cheaper at birth.

 

[Rex]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

If at all, you mean like a couple of seconds of extra rubbing?


Maybe some guys have in their foreskin area the secretion problems other have in their scalps and are naturally smellier, or they are merely slobs, but when you are so anal about trimming the male genital zone, you somehow seem to imply that men were created with an imperfection in their schlongs... in that case, I would understand why YHVH had to issue an update dealing with anti-abomination patches for dickheads and why the Torah makes such a big issue out of it.

Seriously, I think the smell problems you are referring to can be due to poor hygiene after peeing: I'm often amazed by the number of guys who confess they don't care about the drops left in the meatus. I can never be like the guys whom I hear arrive to the closet next door in a public restroom, discharge and leave right away: I need to pull my meat back and forth until I am sure that no drops are left at the tip of the urethra. Maybe I am screwing something by doing that, or maybe it's precisely the right thing to do, but at least I don't have smelling problems down there.

Are you cut or uncut? Sounds like you ARE circumcised, otherwise you'd know the difference.

I already explained, the human male body produces a natural lubricant called smegma under the foreskin to keep it from drying up, and in order to prevent the smell, an uncut guy has to do routine maintenence to keep it clean. If you aren't freshly showered, it's going to smell. Even if you are very clean, it will produce an odor within a few hours.

The urine thing you're describing contributes to the odor, but it isn't the sole reason.

 

[belamyi]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

Are you cut or uncut? Sounds like you ARE circumcised, otherwise you'd know the difference.

I already explained, the human male body produces a natural lubricant called smegma under the foreskin to keep it from drying up, and in order to prevent the smell, an uncut guy has to do routine maintenence to keep it clean. If you aren't freshly showered, it's going to smell. Even if you are very clean, it will produce an odor within a few hours.

The urine thing you're describing contributes to the odor, but it isn't the sole reason.

I'm Catalan, why the hell should I be circumcised? And how would that relate to what I've written above??
Odor. If you exist at all you are bound to emit some sort of odor, even freshly showered and under the scent of whatever product you showered with: we all ooze/emit/exude smell, fragrance, stench... whatever. That's not the problem we were considering, but rather excess or/and bad smell, right?

 

[belamyi]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

This is true, although some people have legitimate problems with their foreskin that will not allow them to keep their penis properly cleaned. The foreskin, for whatever reason, very often has complications, far more than complications than are likely to develop around your mouth for example.

Regardless, if a better smell were the only benefit, I would not support infant circumcision (or at least the choice to have it). However, there are many other benefits associated with circumcision. It toughens the skin at the head of the penis, reducing the chance of physical injury. It reduces the risk of penile cancer. It reduces the risk of urinary tract infections and hygiene-related medical issues. It reduces the chance of many, many STI's including HIV/AIDS (and no, I'm not saying cut guys can go bareback all over the place, I'm just saying it reduces the chance by up to 66%).

The only drawbacks are the cosmetic problem and the widely unverified sexual drawbacks that are easily counter-argued with benefits. It seems pretty clear that objectively, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.

Right, put it all the other way round and it will make just as much sense

 

[yummylongsword]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

Right, put it all the other way round and it will make the same sense

...what? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know what "makes sense" if it hit you in the face.

 

[belamyi]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

...what? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know what "makes sense" if it hit you in the face.

Yeah, you have been beaten by it and you still don't know what it was and how it hit you

 

[yummylongsword]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

Yeah, you have been beaten by it and you still don't know what it was and how it hit you

No but really, if you want to actually explain why I was wrong, I would honestly like that. Otherwise we'll just keep making sarcastic remarks and rolling our eyes.

 

[belamyi]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

It might be an unnecessary operation but I'm sure glad my parents had me circumcised. Not a fan of the foreskin!! In fact i'ts a total deal breaker for me!! Lucky for me most american men are circumcised.

What are you, are foreskin nazi WASP supremacist?

 

[belamyi]

Re: The High Cost of Circumcision

This is true, although some people have legitimate problems with their foreskin that will not allow them to keep their penis properly cleaned. The foreskin, for whatever reason, very often has complications, far more than complications than are likely to develop around your mouth for example.

Regardless, if a better smell were the only benefit, I would not support infant circumcision (or at least the choice to have it). However, there are many other benefits associated with circumcision. It toughens the skin at the head of the penis, reducing the chance of physical injury. It reduces the risk of penile cancer. It reduces the risk of urinary tract infections and hygiene-related medical issues. It reduces the chance of many, many STI's including HIV/AIDS (and no, I'm not saying cut guys can go bareback all over the place, I'm just saying it reduces the chance by up to 66%).

The only drawbacks are the cosmetic problem and the widely unverified sexual drawbacks that are easily counter-argued with benefits. It seems pretty clear that objectively, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. Of course you could opt out of having the procedure for your own child for whatever reason you chose, but arguing to ban it for others seems overbearing.

Also, I guarantee most circumcisions don't run at $23,000. They go for much cheaper at birth.

No but really, if you want to actually explain why I was wrong, I would honestly like that. Otherwise we'll just keep making sarcastic remarks and rolling our eyes.

It toughens the skin at the head of the penis, reducing the chance of physical injury.
It reduces the risk of penile cancer.
It reduces the risk of urinary tract infections and hygiene-related medical issues.
It reduces the chance of many, many STI's including HIV/AIDS (and no, I'm not saying cut guys can go bareback all over the place, I'm just saying it reduces the chance by up to 66%).

The only drawbacks are the cosmetic problem and the widely unverified sexual drawbacks that are easily counter-argued with benefits. It seems pretty clear that objectively, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.

You just throw those statements out of the blue, expecting everybody to consider them accurate just like that, without any further development, as a set of commandments justifying circumcision, and then you happily shift the burden of proof to those who point to you that you simply haven't actually proved anything... except the fact that, as far as circumcision goes, you are a sound pseudo-scientific believer.
Removing the foreskin toughens the skin that is left, so you remove a protection to gain a new one, which only "makes sense" as long as the hardened skin is more resistant... one wonders to what. Your glans becomes hardened and more unsensitive as it gets rubbed frequently through the years. I wonder what sort of "injuries" you refer to, because they would either be too soft or to hard to make any difference on the degree of injury you would finally get.
As for the others, well, whether you took them from real studies or not, it's too easy to make up figures, or take up figures from legitimate research and make them pass for supporting whatever you want them to stand for.