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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Circumcision made the Baby Jesus cry.
Circumcision made the Baby Jesus cry.
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Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Basically you're pro-circumcision because you're pro-Palestine and pro-Arab who get their dicks cut too. I see the connection.
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
This is just a reflection of a growing disinterest in continuing this practice around the world. This is especially true in North America where preforming this procedure on infants and children is quickly falling out of style.
Of course it is. I don't have a problem with circumcision as a procedure in and of itself. My personal qualm arises when it is forced on others without their ability to give consent, as it would with any other cosmetic procedure.
To be clear, in North America circumcision is considered an elective procedure by the government. That is why it is not covered by healthcare or insurance.
Foreskin it is a natural healthy and biologically necessary, functional part of the body. The “fetish” exists largely in North America, among men who do not have one and were never given a choice about having theirs removed. I personally feel that there is a direct correlation in that.
I have no issue with an adult that wishes to have their foreskin removed, for any variety of reason. That is their choice.
The same cannot be said for a child or infant.
To put is simply; I believe the only person who should decide if a penis gets circumcised is the owner.
This is just a reflection of a growing disinterest in continuing this practice around the world. This is especially true in North America where preforming this procedure on infants and children is quickly falling out of style.
Of course it is. I don't have a problem with circumcision as a procedure in and of itself. My personal qualm arises when it is forced on others without their ability to give consent, as it would with any other cosmetic procedure.
To be clear, in North America circumcision is considered an elective procedure by the government. That is why it is not covered by healthcare or insurance.
Foreskin it is a natural healthy and biologically necessary, functional part of the body. The “fetish” exists largely in North America, among men who do not have one and were never given a choice about having theirs removed. I personally feel that there is a direct correlation in that.
I have no issue with an adult that wishes to have their foreskin removed, for any variety of reason. That is their choice.
The same cannot be said for a child or infant.
To put is simply; I believe the only person who should decide if a penis gets circumcised is the owner.
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
I don't hate circumcision for an informed adult who chooses it for his own penis. I hate it for me because it wasn't my choice, and if I had had the choice, I would have kept my penis the way it was when I was born. I hate that a part of my body is missing, and I hate that I don't have all the functions the foreskin provides. And it hurts more that it doesn't even have any meaning. No cultural value. It's not a rite. It's not for religion. It was something my parents thought very little about as if they were choosing between two brands of soda. Yet, it's very important to me. And I know that even though this didn't affect their thinking, the lineage of automatic circumcision in US hospitals can be traced to very sick attitudes about sexuality and trying to deny people sexual pleasure.
It's funny that these days you have to argue to the establishemnt that the foreskin provides sexual pleasure, as if that is a fact that must be proven to grant people their right to a foreskin, yet it was the medical establishment that was for circumcision in the 1800s precisely because they said the foreskin provided sexual pleasure and would lead to masturbation which would lead to epilepsy, hysteria, moral decay, bedwetting, dim vision, nerves, weakness, and every other ailment under the sun.
If I ever stroke my penis without lube for very long, it hurts. It's pure friction with thin, sensitive skin. So, in some ways I think to those founders of medicalized circumcision, your mission was accomplished. Although, it doesn't stop me from masturbating--but I can't look at my penis once without thinking about what was done to it. How can you look at a scar and not think why is that scar there. Or why the head is dry. Or why the veins abruptly stop and are curled up. Or why scrotal skin is forced to become shaft skin. Sex for me is not that enjoyable. I've heard of studies that say that men who are circumcised are more likely to engage in anal sex precisely because they get less pleasure from the penis.
It's kind of a strange thing. Such a flip decision made so long aga in a procedure that didn't take that long. What is the phrase? Wrinkle, ripple, or rip in time? I don't know, but you know that thing where one small decision carries such weight for a long time. That's what I hate most about circumcision. It could have so easily been different. I could so easily have had so much more of my penis left. But I don't. And like most things people don't like, it's irreversible (yes I know of shaft stretching), but replacing my foreskin or getting it back--that cannot happen.
I don't hate circumcision for an informed adult who chooses it for his own penis. I hate it for me because it wasn't my choice, and if I had had the choice, I would have kept my penis the way it was when I was born. I hate that a part of my body is missing, and I hate that I don't have all the functions the foreskin provides. And it hurts more that it doesn't even have any meaning. No cultural value. It's not a rite. It's not for religion. It was something my parents thought very little about as if they were choosing between two brands of soda. Yet, it's very important to me. And I know that even though this didn't affect their thinking, the lineage of automatic circumcision in US hospitals can be traced to very sick attitudes about sexuality and trying to deny people sexual pleasure.
It's funny that these days you have to argue to the establishemnt that the foreskin provides sexual pleasure, as if that is a fact that must be proven to grant people their right to a foreskin, yet it was the medical establishment that was for circumcision in the 1800s precisely because they said the foreskin provided sexual pleasure and would lead to masturbation which would lead to epilepsy, hysteria, moral decay, bedwetting, dim vision, nerves, weakness, and every other ailment under the sun.
If I ever stroke my penis without lube for very long, it hurts. It's pure friction with thin, sensitive skin. So, in some ways I think to those founders of medicalized circumcision, your mission was accomplished. Although, it doesn't stop me from masturbating--but I can't look at my penis once without thinking about what was done to it. How can you look at a scar and not think why is that scar there. Or why the head is dry. Or why the veins abruptly stop and are curled up. Or why scrotal skin is forced to become shaft skin. Sex for me is not that enjoyable. I've heard of studies that say that men who are circumcised are more likely to engage in anal sex precisely because they get less pleasure from the penis.
It's kind of a strange thing. Such a flip decision made so long aga in a procedure that didn't take that long. What is the phrase? Wrinkle, ripple, or rip in time? I don't know, but you know that thing where one small decision carries such weight for a long time. That's what I hate most about circumcision. It could have so easily been different. I could so easily have had so much more of my penis left. But I don't. And like most things people don't like, it's irreversible (yes I know of shaft stretching), but replacing my foreskin or getting it back--that cannot happen.
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
I have no problems with circumcision. I do, however, have problems with mutilating infant boys without their consent.
I have no problems with circumcision. I do, however, have problems with mutilating infant boys without their consent.
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Harvey Kellogg wrote: "A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering anaesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment."
This gets me SO hot, I dunno why!
Harvey Kellogg wrote: "A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering anaesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment."
This gets me SO hot, I dunno why!
racer2438
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Because I was not asked and or given a choice in the matter. Someone decided for me to take something from me cus they thought it would be better. So I don't really hate it, it just we all should have a voice in the decision.
( I realize we were babies and could not, but wait til a bit older then ask me)
Because I was not asked and or given a choice in the matter. Someone decided for me to take something from me cus they thought it would be better. So I don't really hate it, it just we all should have a voice in the decision.
( I realize we were babies and could not, but wait til a bit older then ask me)
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
I didn't realize until I joined this site that some gay men appear to have extremely strong opinions on circumcision. And while I have no problem with people being against it when performed on infants, I do not agree with the way so many of them go about it. Whilst raging against it they insult every mutilat... erm, circumcised guy out there.
It's rude and uncalled for to insult people, even if indirectly, because of something they had no control over.
So to answer your question. I also don't think it should be done without consent. But I do hate people that insist on acting like children when the topic comes up.
Afterthought: I also think the opposite sides claims about cleanliness to be BS as well. C'mon, showering is very easy.
I didn't realize until I joined this site that some gay men appear to have extremely strong opinions on circumcision. And while I have no problem with people being against it when performed on infants, I do not agree with the way so many of them go about it. Whilst raging against it they insult every mutilat... erm, circumcised guy out there.
It's rude and uncalled for to insult people, even if indirectly, because of something they had no control over. So to answer your question. I also don't think it should be done without consent. But I do hate people that insist on acting like children when the topic comes up.
Afterthought: I also think the opposite sides claims about cleanliness to be BS as well. C'mon, showering is very easy.
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Personally, I'm circumcised and I'm more than glad that I am. A circumcised penis looks better in my opinion, and although uncircumcised isn't a total dealbreaker for me, I strongly prefer a man I'm with to be circumcised. I don't consider it "mutilation" as some tasteless people like to call it. I consider it an improvement. I was circumcised as an infant and I strongly feel that my parents made the right choice.
Personally, I'm circumcised and I'm more than glad that I am. A circumcised penis looks better in my opinion, and although uncircumcised isn't a total dealbreaker for me, I strongly prefer a man I'm with to be circumcised. I don't consider it "mutilation" as some tasteless people like to call it. I consider it an improvement. I was circumcised as an infant and I strongly feel that my parents made the right choice.
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i think the score is now 2 "sliced" -- 1 "chop" and 1 1/2 --the dreaded "mutilated" ---- not bad for 23 posts... Might not need the popcorn afterall.
Yes, I'm cut, Yes, I'm angry about it, Yes, I wish they had left me the fuck alone -- especially since it wasn't "necessary" - I"m neither Jewish nor Muslim -- so wtf?
It's time for America to catch up to the rest of the world -- and stop this nonsense. It may be "falling out of favor" - but it's taking way too long - especially since the AMA finally made a statement about it -and that was back in 1998-99 wasn't it?
and Lucky -- if you grew up with a turtleneck sweater, you'd love that too, to be sure.
i think the score is now 2 "sliced" -- 1 "chop" and 1 1/2 --the dreaded "mutilated" ---- not bad for 23 posts... Might not need the popcorn afterall.
Yes, I'm cut, Yes, I'm angry about it, Yes, I wish they had left me the fuck alone -- especially since it wasn't "necessary" - I"m neither Jewish nor Muslim -- so wtf?
It's time for America to catch up to the rest of the world -- and stop this nonsense. It may be "falling out of favor" - but it's taking way too long - especially since the AMA finally made a statement about it -and that was back in 1998-99 wasn't it?
and Lucky -- if you grew up with a turtleneck sweater, you'd love that too, to be sure.
Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Well I made a mistake for opening this issue. It always comes down to this: parents are ignorant and are butchers. The words are always the same: mutilation, chopping, needling, cutting off an arm.
This worship of the foreskin is a fetish.
All this is hateful and sick. I guess that can't be helped.
Two persons said they were glad to be circumcised. So am I.
My sons slept through the 10 minutes. There was no screaming then or afterward. I held them both.
I respect those who leave the prepuce intact. I envy that. They aren't pushed around. I wish circumcision could have the same right. The bottom line is we are hated. I don't like that. Since I am a pacifist and bisexual, I know there are a lot of people who hate that also.
Well I made a mistake for opening this issue. It always comes down to this: parents are ignorant and are butchers. The words are always the same: mutilation, chopping, needling, cutting off an arm.
This worship of the foreskin is a fetish.
All this is hateful and sick. I guess that can't be helped.
Two persons said they were glad to be circumcised. So am I.
My sons slept through the 10 minutes. There was no screaming then or afterward. I held them both.
I respect those who leave the prepuce intact. I envy that. They aren't pushed around. I wish circumcision could have the same right. The bottom line is we are hated. I don't like that. Since I am a pacifist and bisexual, I know there are a lot of people who hate that also.
BINOWGAYLATER
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
This worship of the foreskin is a fetish.
All this is hateful and sick. I guess that can't be helped.
okay - now you're pushing the wrong buttons buddy-boy !
people who have opinions about pro-foreskin are not necesssary in fetish mode -- they simply have an opinion different from yours.
hateful and sick?? really? -- acccording to YOU !
again -- who exactly is it that cut guys who wish they weren't Hate? their parents, all uncut guys, all other cut guys? who? tell us !
there's nothing sick about wanting something back that was taken from you.. especially since you didn't know until many years later that things might been different.
you're the one that opened this can of worms - now don't be turning it into a box of snakes !
cuz you're the one that's gonna get bitten !
This worship of the foreskin is a fetish.
All this is hateful and sick. I guess that can't be helped.
okay - now you're pushing the wrong buttons buddy-boy !
people who have opinions about pro-foreskin are not necesssary in fetish mode -- they simply have an opinion different from yours.
hateful and sick?? really? -- acccording to YOU !
again -- who exactly is it that cut guys who wish they weren't Hate? their parents, all uncut guys, all other cut guys? who? tell us !
there's nothing sick about wanting something back that was taken from you.. especially since you didn't know until many years later that things might been different.
you're the one that opened this can of worms - now don't be turning it into a box of snakes !
cuz you're the one that's gonna get bitten !
BINOWGAYLATER
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
I strongly disagee - i think it's the mothers who want everything neat - and certainly not wanting to deal with something they know nothing about - if their hubby is already cut ..
Mario Lopez and his girl - a good example - he's intact-- she said if it's a boy it's getting cut - cuz she doesn't want her sons willie to look like his !!! He says ABSOLUTELY NOT -- good thing they had A GURL !! HUH?
I strongly disagee - i think it's the mothers who want everything neat - and certainly not wanting to deal with something they know nothing about - if their hubby is already cut ..
Mario Lopez and his girl - a good example - he's intact-- she said if it's a boy it's getting cut - cuz she doesn't want her sons willie to look like his !!! He says ABSOLUTELY NOT -- good thing they had A GURL !! HUH?
Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Circumsion . So in the 70s when my mother was going through nurse's training , was quite traumatized and came home afterwards and apologized to me like mad because ( then , newborns , I don't know if this is still the method or how common it was then ) she saw her first circumcision , and being newborns they did not use anaesthetic and the baby would scream and turn purple .
Joke : two guys talking about circumcision . Guy # 1 says his brother who was not circumcized went swimming in the Gulf of Mexico and got a grain of sand embedded in his foreskin and four months later it turned all gangrenous and he had to go to emergency to get circumcised . Guy # 2 say that's really a coincidence because his brother who was not circumcised went swimming in the Gulf of Mexico and got a grain of sand embedded in his foreskin and four months later it turned into a pearl .
Circumsion . So in the 70s when my mother was going through nurse's training , was quite traumatized and came home afterwards and apologized to me like mad because ( then , newborns , I don't know if this is still the method or how common it was then ) she saw her first circumcision , and being newborns they did not use anaesthetic and the baby would scream and turn purple .
Joke : two guys talking about circumcision . Guy # 1 says his brother who was not circumcized went swimming in the Gulf of Mexico and got a grain of sand embedded in his foreskin and four months later it turned all gangrenous and he had to go to emergency to get circumcised . Guy # 2 say that's really a coincidence because his brother who was not circumcised went swimming in the Gulf of Mexico and got a grain of sand embedded in his foreskin and four months later it turned into a pearl .
Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
I don't have any problem with circumcision. I didn't suffer any trauma from being circumcised and I'm not mourning over my lost foreskin. I like and accept guys whether they are cut or uncut. I don't discriminate now, nor will I ever discriminate against a man based on his foreskin status.
I don't have any problem with circumcision. I didn't suffer any trauma from being circumcised and I'm not mourning over my lost foreskin. I like and accept guys whether they are cut or uncut. I don't discriminate now, nor will I ever discriminate against a man based on his foreskin status.
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Re: Why do you hate circumcision?
Who has shown you hate?
I respect those who leave the prepuce intact. I envy that. They aren't pushed around. I wish circumcision could have the same right. The bottom line is we are hated. I don't like that. Since I am a pacifist and bisexual, I know there are a lot of people who hate that also.
Who has shown you hate?