Re: Benefits of circumcision outweigh risks, U.S. pediatrics group says
The only damage inflicted by circumcision the the cruel remarks by the vocal minority of uncut dicks who need to inflict emotional damage on others. That is the only thing learned by these circumcision threads. That and the fact that the only ones concerned with the status of a penis is gay men. Why is that? Straight men and women don't care so much, why is the status of my dick so important to gay guys?
I highly disagree with your response.
1. First of all, let's not forget for the longest time and for today still it was and is TOTALLY culturally acceptable to completely trash an uncut man. Comedians like Chelsea Handler and Lisa Lampinelli talk about it, hell, there was a whole Seinfeld episode about it. The media continuously trashes uncut men and it's socially acceptable because the majority is cut. You don't go to other countries and see them trashing circumcised men do you? It's so ingrained in our culture that people don't even notice it. And of course there's the perception that every uncut man is a slut walking around with every STD known to man, and he's actively looking to infect people with his diseases. It's completely understanding how some uncut guys can get frustrated.
2. Secondly, women do care a lot about the subject. It's so ingrained in our culture that most people don't even question it anymore. But a lot of people who are anti-circ are women, if not the slight majority. Go over to a mothering forum and you will see a lot of threads about circumcision. The idea that only gay men talk about this is just a lack of exposure on your part. A few anti-circ organizations are headed by mothers, some that circ'd their children and regret and so on. I would say that there are more women vocal about it than even gay men. There are women where rather a man is cut or not is a deal breaker ( I know women on both sides), perhaps you have the fortune of never meeting such a woman. Yet now people are even accusing them of being fetishest, which is really absurd.
3. Straight men don't talk about this much because they don't care about dicks, and since most men are circumcised most women don't get the chance to compare, so they go off what everyone tells them. They also think circumcision is natural and the norm. Those that do are possibly conditioned by the media to reject it due to weird looks and off smells which any clean man doesn't have and old wives tales about how their 5th cousin's ex boyfriend's father in law almost died of phimosis, therefore may be more inclined to reject it. Which is why when I see a woman enter a circ debate, who is anti-circ, the circ'd men are completely amazed and find it comical, with name calling resulting in a woman being called, "stupid bitch" and lines like,"You don't have a penis so shut up''. Things they never say to the pro-circ woman or a woman that prefers circ'd penis because it validates their confidence in their own penis. I have friends where the wife decided not to circ and didn't change their mind and their circ'd husband threw a fit! It isn't a big deal to them unless it comes up, and since it's been coming up alot lately more people are talking about it.
4. I also find it interesting how medical organizations in different countries have completely different opinions on this matter. I was just reading that some dutch medical organization did NOT recommend and cited a complication rate of something like 5% or something. It is NOT a risk free operation. And I find it interesting that different organizations list different complication rates. I think this just proves that this whole debate is almost completely cultural. Foreskin, can be really pleasurable which is a benefit in itself, but a penis can function without it. But that doesn't mean chop it off.
5. I will say that I highly disagree with the term mutilation. It still works just without foreskin, but a little differently. HOWEVER, the debate is why remove the foreskin when there are other ways to disease prevention? HPV is super prevalent in the gay community, you'll probably end up getting it eventually. Also, we have vaccines now, that people can consent to when they are older. We have condoms to help prevent HIV transmission. UTIs are rare even in uncut men, and are easily curable with anti-biotics. Phimosis can be helped with steroid creams, and self stretching. Yes, I am aware that there are times when circumcision is necessary. But then it is a necessity. There is a lot of ignorance in this country regarding proper care of the foreskin in infancy and childhood, where actual doctors do things like tell the parent to retract when you are just supposed to leave it alone and wipe like a finger. Retracting too early causes trauma to the foreskin which CAN actually help lead to phimosis.
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Lucky7, with all due respect, if you feel good about your penis, why do you feel the need to validate it on here? Because I feel this is more about you than the neo-natal circ debate. We get that you are happy because your penis has automatic health benefits (supposedly) and you find it nice (DO YOU WANT A CONGRATULATIONS OR SOMETHING?), but believe it or not, lots of people, other than gay men (lots of mothers for example) still think circumcision is cruel. Lots of people keep hush about it because contrary to what people think about ''evil intactivists'', when somebody says they are not circ'ing their child people start giving statements that are somewhat micro-aggressive that are unintentionally insinuating that the child will grow up to hate the mother, he will feel different, he will get infections, blah blah blah. Basically saying the mother is stupid, but in a more nice way. I sat and watched as a friend of mine got torn apart ON FACEBOOK by her family for not circ'ing her son. She didn't even bring it up either, they did by making a storm out of a post of frustration. Unfortunately, anti-circ people come in a more aggressive way, which they need to work at.
