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Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.
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Laufey
The Mother of Loki
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
I think the US is the only country in the world where majority of males have been circumcised because of non-religious culture. (correct me if I'm wrong)
I've heard this is slowly changing which I think is a good thing.
Jews and Muslims is another story... I don't see it changing there anytime soon.
I think the US is the only country in the world where majority of males have been circumcised because of non-religious culture. (correct me if I'm wrong)
I've heard this is slowly changing which I think is a good thing.
Jews and Muslims is another story... I don't see it changing there anytime soon.
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
It's just as well, as it's competely indefensible.
Lex
It's just as well, as it's competely indefensible.
Lex
JohnnyAnger
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
I guess for nearly all of us outside of the US it has pretty much never lived, outside of the Jewish and Muslim communities.
I guess for nearly all of us outside of the US it has pretty much never lived, outside of the Jewish and Muslim communities.
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refujiunderground
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
yes and hopefully it does. it's basically genital mutilation.
yes and hopefully it does. it's basically genital mutilation.
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
No it is not genital mutilation, not if done by a compentent health care provider and I would guess that 95 +% of all who are circumcised are happy with it, would not change if they could. Multiple studies in Africa suggest that circumcised men have up to a 76% decrease in HIV infections compared to uncut men.
Circumcision also lowers the occurance of the HPV virus. Penile cancer, though it is rare, favors the uncut penis, in one study of 89 penis cancer cases, 98 % were uncut. Source http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/
Put your prejudice aside and think about the science and reality of it, a 76% decrease in you chance of getting any infection is tremendous. Think of the lives saved, decrease in suffering and deaths, quality of life. All of these benefits from a simple operation that takes about 4 minutes. And the claim of decreased sensitivity, sex is not as good, etc, is just plain false. I have never heard a circumcised guy say he didn't like sex or got nothing out of it. The large families in the Jewish and Muslum communities suggest they must injoy it greatly.
No it is not genital mutilation, not if done by a compentent health care provider and I would guess that 95 +% of all who are circumcised are happy with it, would not change if they could. Multiple studies in Africa suggest that circumcised men have up to a 76% decrease in HIV infections compared to uncut men.
Circumcision also lowers the occurance of the HPV virus. Penile cancer, though it is rare, favors the uncut penis, in one study of 89 penis cancer cases, 98 % were uncut. Source http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/
Put your prejudice aside and think about the science and reality of it, a 76% decrease in you chance of getting any infection is tremendous. Think of the lives saved, decrease in suffering and deaths, quality of life. All of these benefits from a simple operation that takes about 4 minutes. And the claim of decreased sensitivity, sex is not as good, etc, is just plain false. I have never heard a circumcised guy say he didn't like sex or got nothing out of it. The large families in the Jewish and Muslum communities suggest they must injoy it greatly.
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refujiunderground
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
i look at it like this. people have been spanking their kids around for centuries and it has kept a lot of people on the straight path. doesn't mean that it's right now is it? i'm uncut and i make sure i wash my foreskin back. don't see what's wrong with naturally having something that you are born with. if it was so unhealthy, you wouldn't have foreskin to begin with. losing it is NOT necessary in order to survive so you telling me that is in itself hilarious.
and yes, it is genital mutiliation because you're basically cutting off something that naturally is on your dick. what makes that different from cutting off the top of someone's finger or someone's toe off. it's not like the foreskin is a fingernail. you DO feel pain when you cut it off as there are nerveendings and bloodvessels in it.
i look at it like this. people have been spanking their kids around for centuries and it has kept a lot of people on the straight path. doesn't mean that it's right now is it? i'm uncut and i make sure i wash my foreskin back. don't see what's wrong with naturally having something that you are born with. if it was so unhealthy, you wouldn't have foreskin to begin with. losing it is NOT necessary in order to survive so you telling me that is in itself hilarious.
and yes, it is genital mutiliation because you're basically cutting off something that naturally is on your dick. what makes that different from cutting off the top of someone's finger or someone's toe off. it's not like the foreskin is a fingernail. you DO feel pain when you cut it off as there are nerveendings and bloodvessels in it.
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
I'd dispute "art".
I'd dispute "art".
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
Then by all accounts, piercings, tattoos and stretchers are all body mutilation too. Why not pick on them? Personally I don't care if a guy is cut or not, just keep yourself clean.
Then by all accounts, piercings, tattoos and stretchers are all body mutilation too. Why not pick on them? Personally I don't care if a guy is cut or not, just keep yourself clean.
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
Well, I did see one once that, in the right lighting with your eyes scrunched, looked kind of like a convex Mount Rushmore.
The Presidents looked like they were talking when he jerked off. Made it sort of a little theatrical affair. Very artsy.
Well, I did see one once that, in the right lighting with your eyes scrunched, looked kind of like a convex Mount Rushmore.
The Presidents looked like they were talking when he jerked off. Made it sort of a little theatrical affair. Very artsy.
justaguy
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
Ok ... the poll is interesting so far.
Under 30's - 1 cut, 9 uncut.
Over 30's - 21 cut, 2 uncut.
Ok ... the poll is interesting so far.
Under 30's - 1 cut, 9 uncut.
Over 30's - 21 cut, 2 uncut.
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
Cutting off perfectly healthy tissue is by definition Mutilation, so the genital mutilation label is completely accurate.
Most of the so called studies of the medical benefits are very flawed. The way you make it out most of Europe should be filled with guys with HIV/ AIDS. The reality is that the nation that has the most circumcised men (America) also has the highest rate of HIV and AIDS, Europe is much lower. If Circumcision had any effect shouldn't it be the other way around? If anything it suggests that circumcision contributes to the chance of getting HIV. As for cancer it is one of the rarest forms and not a good reason to chop off the foreskin, just in case there's a problem. Breast cancer is far more prevalent but we don't remove girls breasts at birth, do we?
85% of men in the world have not been mutilated. They are all perfectly healthy, their quality of life isn't suffering. They have the body they were born with and all the sexual function and nerve endings intact. How you can claim that there is no difference in sensation after the removal of 20'000 specialised sexual nerve endings, is beyond me. Not to mention the layers of dead cells that build up on the Glans over decades, it's hardly a coincidence that the US also has the highest rate of erectile dysfunction in older age.
There doesn't seem to be much benefit to circumcision to me, unless medically nessessary it is nothing more than a mutilation and violation of human rights.
Cutting off perfectly healthy tissue is by definition Mutilation, so the genital mutilation label is completely accurate.
Most of the so called studies of the medical benefits are very flawed. The way you make it out most of Europe should be filled with guys with HIV/ AIDS. The reality is that the nation that has the most circumcised men (America) also has the highest rate of HIV and AIDS, Europe is much lower. If Circumcision had any effect shouldn't it be the other way around? If anything it suggests that circumcision contributes to the chance of getting HIV. As for cancer it is one of the rarest forms and not a good reason to chop off the foreskin, just in case there's a problem. Breast cancer is far more prevalent but we don't remove girls breasts at birth, do we?
85% of men in the world have not been mutilated. They are all perfectly healthy, their quality of life isn't suffering. They have the body they were born with and all the sexual function and nerve endings intact. How you can claim that there is no difference in sensation after the removal of 20'000 specialised sexual nerve endings, is beyond me. Not to mention the layers of dead cells that build up on the Glans over decades, it's hardly a coincidence that the US also has the highest rate of erectile dysfunction in older age.
There doesn't seem to be much benefit to circumcision to me, unless medically nessessary it is nothing more than a mutilation and violation of human rights.
Laufey
The Mother of Loki
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
The foreskin isn't just extra skin it has purposes.
It has nerve endings, it protects the head, it rubs the head during masturbation/sex and it keeps it moisturized.
The skin on the head becomes more dry and harder when there isn't foreskin. This makes it less sensitive. The head also keeps rubbing against things (mostly clothing) which also makes it less sensitive. Nobody claims that cut men don't enjoy sex but men who have had it done in adulthood have reported that they become less sensitive.
If adults want to choose to get circumcised as a protection from HIV then that's fine by me. But it's something you should be able to decide for yourself when you are old enough. Some doctors have suggested this to be done in places where a large part of the population is infected of HIV and people either don't want to use condoms or can't afford them. It simply isn't bad enough in the western world to justify the practice being routine on infant boys.
The foreskin isn't just extra skin it has purposes.
It has nerve endings, it protects the head, it rubs the head during masturbation/sex and it keeps it moisturized.
The skin on the head becomes more dry and harder when there isn't foreskin. This makes it less sensitive. The head also keeps rubbing against things (mostly clothing) which also makes it less sensitive. Nobody claims that cut men don't enjoy sex but men who have had it done in adulthood have reported that they become less sensitive.
If adults want to choose to get circumcised as a protection from HIV then that's fine by me. But it's something you should be able to decide for yourself when you are old enough. Some doctors have suggested this to be done in places where a large part of the population is infected of HIV and people either don't want to use condoms or can't afford them. It simply isn't bad enough in the western world to justify the practice being routine on infant boys.
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refujiunderground
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
i agree. the thing about it all is that people make conscious decisions to get them. with circumcision, someone's decides for someone else to not have foreskin on their dick. that's the problem. it should be a choice left up to the person that owns the dick. i'm happy with my foreskin and i'll be damned if i have to cut it off.
i agree. the thing about it all is that people make conscious decisions to get them. with circumcision, someone's decides for someone else to not have foreskin on their dick. that's the problem. it should be a choice left up to the person that owns the dick. i'm happy with my foreskin and i'll be damned if i have to cut it off.
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
Besides, I'll bet that the grown man who feels scorned by his circumsized penis probably has lots of other issues he's probably trying to pin on his parents as well. Us parents get blamed for everything when a young person stumbles.
As parents it's our job to make health decisions for our children all the time. Kinda goes with the territory. Until a true medical professional can prove that the foreskin provides some actual purpose other than perceived heightened sexual pleasure, the agruement is pointless.
Besides, I'll bet that the grown man who feels scorned by his circumsized penis probably has lots of other issues he's probably trying to pin on his parents as well. Us parents get blamed for everything when a young person stumbles.