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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Your position is sheer fantasy.
Your position is sheer fantasy.
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Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
If only I had a dime for every time this was said on the Internet, I could just buy out JUB.
If only I had a dime for every time this was said on the Internet, I could just buy out JUB.
Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Common misconceptions based on cultural hysteria often swim against the tide of science.
Common misconceptions based on cultural hysteria often swim against the tide of science.
bankside
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
There is no "tide of science" in favour of your policy choice that parents should perform this procedure on children unable to consent. Nor does respect for the dignity of a child's person count as "hysteria" any more than any other development of human rights over the last century.
There is no "tide of science" in favour of your policy choice that parents should perform this procedure on children unable to consent. Nor does respect for the dignity of a child's person count as "hysteria" any more than any other development of human rights over the last century.
Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
You mean none that you are willing to recognize.
You mean none that you are willing to recognize.
bankside
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Well a tide of hot air is hardly worth recognising. This is pointless. You've made up your mind, and eventually legislation will turn against you, and in favour of children's bodily integrity. It is like women getting the vote, mixed marriage, and then same-sex marriage. It is only a matter of time.
There will never be anything to stop an adult from doing what he wants to his own penis. Circumcise it. Put a prince albert in it. Tattoo a dolphin on it or a stick of celery or whatever floats your boat. But the boys will be left to make up their own minds, and the world will be a better - and healthier - place for it.
Well a tide of hot air is hardly worth recognising. This is pointless. You've made up your mind, and eventually legislation will turn against you, and in favour of children's bodily integrity. It is like women getting the vote, mixed marriage, and then same-sex marriage. It is only a matter of time.
There will never be anything to stop an adult from doing what he wants to his own penis. Circumcise it. Put a prince albert in it. Tattoo a dolphin on it or a stick of celery or whatever floats your boat. But the boys will be left to make up their own minds, and the world will be a better - and healthier - place for it.
Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Not likely. The issue will follow the science, not hysteria. No committee hearing that invites medical professionals will find against circumcision, because they aren't themselves. One judge in San Francisco has already ruled against a circumcision ban. The weight of evidence, a parent's right to make well informed medical decisions outweighs the latest anti-circumcision fad.
Who speaks of hot air?
Not likely. The issue will follow the science, not hysteria. No committee hearing that invites medical professionals will find against circumcision, because they aren't themselves. One judge in San Francisco has already ruled against a circumcision ban. The weight of evidence, a parent's right to make well informed medical decisions outweighs the latest anti-circumcision fad.
Who speaks of hot air?
Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Should have quoted hylas first.
Should have quoted hylas first.
bankside
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Alnitak, it is interesting to watch the development of science on these issues over the last 25 years. The tide was running in just one direction until the mounting evidence suggesting routine circumcision was worthless began to have unavoidable policy implications. I would point out that the tide of evidence in favour of delisting homosexuality as a mental illness was also met with a last minute flurry of studies by reactionary researchers and doctors promising "reparative therapy" and a cure. Your position is nothing we haven't seen before in the development of human rights for gays, and the outcome will be the same. I'll leave you to swim wherever the tide takes you at this point, and you can contemplate how a hundred years of human rights advances are "hot air."
Alnitak, it is interesting to watch the development of science on these issues over the last 25 years. The tide was running in just one direction until the mounting evidence suggesting routine circumcision was worthless began to have unavoidable policy implications. I would point out that the tide of evidence in favour of delisting homosexuality as a mental illness was also met with a last minute flurry of studies by reactionary researchers and doctors promising "reparative therapy" and a cure. Your position is nothing we haven't seen before in the development of human rights for gays, and the outcome will be the same. I'll leave you to swim wherever the tide takes you at this point, and you can contemplate how a hundred years of human rights advances are "hot air."
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Alright, fair enough. But now I'm wondering what STIs and other issues that circumcision prevents that wouldn't also be prevented by using proper protection and sanitation?
Alright, fair enough. But now I'm wondering what STIs and other issues that circumcision prevents that wouldn't also be prevented by using proper protection and sanitation?
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Spot on, but its all about money. The reason circumcision is so popular on the war against HIV/AIDS and other STDs is that its cheap and quick to do, while not pissing of the cultures with condoms or forcing them to face the issues of actually improving the living standards of those at high risk of HIV and the costs that come with that. Its not so much a scientific case (although it is backed up by meta-data) as it is an economics debate.
Spot on, but its all about money. The reason circumcision is so popular on the war against HIV/AIDS and other STDs is that its cheap and quick to do, while not pissing of the cultures with condoms or forcing them to face the issues of actually improving the living standards of those at high risk of HIV and the costs that come with that. Its not so much a scientific case (although it is backed up by meta-data) as it is an economics debate.
Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
It is claimed that the cutting is not very painful for infants. Perhaps the skin of the head thinkens quickly for them as they are growing fast. But clearly, for adults, getting periodic hard-ons would be painful.
It is claimed that the cutting is not very painful for infants. Perhaps the skin of the head thinkens quickly for them as they are growing fast. But clearly, for adults, getting periodic hard-ons would be painful.
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
Actually, no.
The clitoris is the equivalent of the penis. The prepuce (which covers the clitoris) is the equivalent of the foreskin. The labia are the equivalent of the scrotum.
The procedure is called infibulation. In countries that perform the procedure on young females, the clitoris is removed (which would be the equivalent of removing the penis). In some cases, the labia are removed and fused together and a small hole is created to allow blood to drain when the girl has her period.
A circumcision is not the same as infibulation.
Actually, no.
The clitoris is the equivalent of the penis. The prepuce (which covers the clitoris) is the equivalent of the foreskin. The labia are the equivalent of the scrotum.
The procedure is called infibulation. In countries that perform the procedure on young females, the clitoris is removed (which would be the equivalent of removing the penis). In some cases, the labia are removed and fused together and a small hole is created to allow blood to drain when the girl has her period.
A circumcision is not the same as infibulation.
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Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks
This is something I've been trying to get across to rabid intactavists. Female "Circumcision" is literally like someone chopping off a man's penis completely. They can keep yelling shit like "reduced sexual pleasure" with circumcision, but with female circumcision, with the clit gone, it's literally ZERO sexual pleasure.
People can say that male circumcision is mutilation all they want, but compared to the long-term effects you got to admit that male circumcision is the proverbial "lesser of two evils" here.
This is something I've been trying to get across to rabid intactavists. Female "Circumcision" is literally like someone chopping off a man's penis completely. They can keep yelling shit like "reduced sexual pleasure" with circumcision, but with female circumcision, with the clit gone, it's literally ZERO sexual pleasure.
People can say that male circumcision is mutilation all they want, but compared to the long-term effects you got to admit that male circumcision is the proverbial "lesser of two evils" here.
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
each to their own, but I like uncut.....like myself I guess....of course I don't know what I'd think if I was cut...living in the midwest the vast majority of guys in their late teens and up are cut, with a few exceptions like myself being 27. The trend I've noticed is it's slowly becoming more common to forego circumcision. When I was in high school and my friends and myself fooled around I only had one friend that was uncut like me....but most cut friends said uncut looked funny, once we did fool around they came around and thought it was neat...go figure
each to their own, but I like uncut.....like myself I guess....of course I don't know what I'd think if I was cut...living in the midwest the vast majority of guys in their late teens and up are cut, with a few exceptions like myself being 27. The trend I've noticed is it's slowly becoming more common to forego circumcision. When I was in high school and my friends and myself fooled around I only had one friend that was uncut like me....but most cut friends said uncut looked funny, once we did fool around they came around and thought it was neat...go figure
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but would a question of "is circumcision dying" even really apply to much other than the U.S. for JUB discussion purposes? It's my understanding that nearly all European countries haven't traditionally or routinely done circumcision, although (IIRC) the rates in NZ and Australia were a bit higher than in Europe generally, though still low compared to the U.S.
I would think a poll of JUB members wouldn't tell us much unless it excluded everyone from a country that never had routine heavy circumcision, and I know a lot of folks here are from European countries, the UK in particular, where it wasn't common to begin with.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but would a question of "is circumcision dying" even really apply to much other than the U.S. for JUB discussion purposes? It's my understanding that nearly all European countries haven't traditionally or routinely done circumcision, although (IIRC) the rates in NZ and Australia were a bit higher than in Europe generally, though still low compared to the U.S.
I would think a poll of JUB members wouldn't tell us much unless it excluded everyone from a country that never had routine heavy circumcision, and I know a lot of folks here are from European countries, the UK in particular, where it wasn't common to begin with.
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
First thank you for this post, I love a good penis argument!
That being said, perhaps mutilation is a harsh word, we could try "unnecessary alteration".
In most cases, removal of the foreskin in not needed, a penis functions fine with one.
All of the scare tactics that are used in defense are odd, if it prevents hiv, then why did we have an outbreak in the '80's in the U.S.?, most guys are cut.
Let's face it, some guys don't like the way an uncut dick looks when soft, so they want guys to be cut. Also money is made from doing this, in a for profit medical system we have what might be a conflict of interests when it comes to an infant keeping what he was born with.
I have heard an outcry for years about a woman having the right to choose because it's her body, is it time for guy to have the same right? Leave the penis alone, let a man make the choice about his penis when he is of age.
Now some will say that it hurts to much when done as an adult, I was about 30, it was not that bad. I like the look of a cut cock, but, it's a matter of principle.
First thank you for this post, I love a good penis argument!
That being said, perhaps mutilation is a harsh word, we could try "unnecessary alteration".
In most cases, removal of the foreskin in not needed, a penis functions fine with one.
All of the scare tactics that are used in defense are odd, if it prevents hiv, then why did we have an outbreak in the '80's in the U.S.?, most guys are cut.
Let's face it, some guys don't like the way an uncut dick looks when soft, so they want guys to be cut. Also money is made from doing this, in a for profit medical system we have what might be a conflict of interests when it comes to an infant keeping what he was born with.
I have heard an outcry for years about a woman having the right to choose because it's her body, is it time for guy to have the same right? Leave the penis alone, let a man make the choice about his penis when he is of age.
Now some will say that it hurts to much when done as an adult, I was about 30, it was not that bad. I like the look of a cut cock, but, it's a matter of principle.
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Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
The 'art' of circumcision? Now there's a can of worms just begging to be opened.
Me, I think that the sooner this 'art' dies off the better.
As for the spread of diseases, in so called civilised Countries we have condoms/sheaths/Durex, so what's stopping the men from taking responsibility themselves against the spread of std's?
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The 'art' of circumcision? Now there's a can of worms just begging to be opened.
Me, I think that the sooner this 'art' dies off the better.
As for the spread of diseases, in so called civilised Countries we have condoms/sheaths/Durex, so what's stopping the men from taking responsibility themselves against the spread of std's?
LINK to UK Indepenent
Re: Is the art of circumcision dying?
I was cut few days after my birth it was of course common to cut away take away the best part of cock my foreskin. I had no voice in the issue. When was in junior high school and as we changed to PE uniforms there were few lads who were uncut. Funny others made fun of there dicks. To me it was so natural to see ones compete cock. To this day wish had a complete cock. I adore guys who uncut and in to Docking.
I was cut few days after my birth it was of course common to cut away take away the best part of cock my foreskin. I had no voice in the issue. When was in junior high school and as we changed to PE uniforms there were few lads who were uncut. Funny others made fun of there dicks. To me it was so natural to see ones compete cock. To this day wish had a complete cock. I adore guys who uncut and in to Docking.