Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[peeonme]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Thats right, any sort of intrusive procedure that changes part of the body for non-medical reasons should be not be done. So lets ban piercing, tattooing and putting those discs in your ear lobes right away!

What an adult chooses to do with their body is just that, a matter of choice.
In a "for profit" medical system it is just another way to make money, let the man decide if he wants to get cut, tattooed, pierced or change his gender. They have my blessings, to each their own, but for all of the talk we hear about a woman's right to choose about her own body I don't think it's a leap to let a boy grow into a man as nature has designed him and then let him choose.

 

[SaskGuy]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

The mutilation rate was only at about 30% in Canada at the time I was born... unfortunately, I'm one of the 30%. I would love to be intact, but I guess you can't change these things. Hey, at least the scar from when they chopped off part of my penis against my will, without any anesthetic whatsoever, when I was an infant isn't very visible. I'm also glad my penis still works after such a barbaric, brutal practice. There are some horrifically botched circumcisions out there.
It's a shame that we live in a society where this sort of thing is still socially acceptable, and it's too bad people don't feel as strongly against male genital mutilation as they do about female genital mutilation.
What would happen if anyone started speaking out in favour of female circumcision? Just think about that.

 

[Stardreamer]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

What an adult chooses to do with their body is just that, a matter of choice.
In a "for profit" medical system it is just another way to make money, let the man decide if he wants to get cut, tattooed, pierced or change his gender. They have my blessings, to each their own, but for all of the talk we hear about a woman's right to choose about her own body I don't think it's a leap to let a boy grow into a man as nature has designed him and then let him choose.

The rights, moralities and responsibilities of guardians concerning medical decisions of their children is certainly an important aspect of this debate but it was not the point I was responding to.

 

[star-warrior]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Just curious as to what the medical history is behind this practice in the United States. Boys over in Europe and Asia sure aren't "cut".

Rubbish. My dad was circumcised, and he's from the far east born in the 1920's.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

The rights, moralities and responsibilities of guardians concerning medical decisions of their children is certainly an important aspect of this debate but it was not the point I was responding to.

"It should be all too obvious that if there is no immediate need for a surgery (that's what it is) then you don't do it."
The subject of my post was about the unnecessary circumcision of baby boys, not ear rings tats etc.
Why would a medical decision be called for if their is no medical problem?

I find it odd how so many who believe in evolution think that nature has goofed up and left something that shouldn't be there, we are saying that males are born "flawed", but we can fix them. Pretty egotistical, IMO.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

"It should be all too obvious that if there is no immediate need for a surgery (that's what it is) then you don't do it."
The subject of my post was about the unnecessary circumcision of baby boys, not ear rings tats etc.
Why would a medical decision be called for if their is no medical problem?

I find it odd how so many who believe in evolution think that nature has goofed up and left something that shouldn't be there, we are saying that males are born "flawed", but we can fix them. Pretty egotistical, IMO.

Would that include facelifts and liposuction and such? There'd be lots of Hollywood doctors (and their nurses) who would be suddenly out of work if such surgeries were to stop.

 

[xboxfan34]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Intactivists are some of the most manipulative dickheads on the fucking internet. They will literally misconstrue anything you say and throw it back in your face. I mean, I don't feel bad that I'm circumcised, in fact I don't really care. My penis works, it feels good when I rub it and it'll probably feel good when I put it in my future boyfriend's or husband's asshole.

An intactivist will literally fucking tell me "No, you're just hiding the fact that you desperately want a foreskin." and will literally say it over and over again no matter what you say in an attempt to get you to "confess" that you want a foreskin and that you want your parents to die because they circumcised you as a baby. They're literally like the kid we all hated in high school who deliberately acts annoying just to get a rise out of you.

 

[figjam]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Just curious as to what the medical history is behind this practice in the United States. Boys over in Europe and Asia sure aren't "cut".

I had a "circumcision related injury" today. I went on a long 5 mile run, forgot my compression briefs. I usually wear boxer shorts, except when I exercise, to prevent chafing.

Well, to use an old racist Native American medicine man metaphor: "Sharpened tip on the spear inflicts much pain". Now I'm not fully cut, and grateful for what foreskin I do have. IE it goes about 2/3rds down the head, maybe 7/8ths if its really cold. Still enough to leave the tip exposed, ie if the doctors hadn't mutilated my cock 30 years ago, I wouldn't be posting this nonsense.

So what is the reason all the boys in the US are circumcised before leaving the hospital? Why do we have a variation in the practice, ie I have most of my foreskin, yet some boys have absolutely none. Their cocks are horribly scarred by this practice, and any sort of intimate contact with their penis requires lube, otherwise its chafe/irritation city.

You haven't experienced cock until you've had an uncut cock - nough said.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Would that include facelifts and liposuction and such? There'd be lots of Hollywood doctors (and their nurses) who would be suddenly out of work if such surgeries were to stop.

Let me be clear, I am against facelifts, liposuction and unnecessary circumcision of baby boys, it would be wrong to give a baby boy a face lift, IMO.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Let me be clear, I am against facelifts, liposuction and unnecessary circumcision of baby boys, it would be wrong to give a baby boy a face lift, IMO.

You have not seen some of these ugly ass babies out there. They needs the face lift so they parents don't confuse they face with they butt.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

You have not seen some of these ugly ass babies out there. They needs the face lift so they parents don't confuse they face with they butt.

Have heard of several cases where the parents put the nappy on the wrong end, then stuck the pacifier in the other, tsk, tsk.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Have heard of several cases where the parents put the nappy on the wrong end, then stuck the pacifier in the other, tsk, tsk.

You do realize that's basically how dildos were first created.

 

[BillyT]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

This is from the US Dept. of Health

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/malecircumcision/

Male Circumcision in the United States
In national probability samples of adults surveyed during 1999–2004, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) found that 79% of men reported being circumcised, including 88% of non-Hispanic white men, 73% of non-Hispanic black men, 42% of Mexican American men, and 50% of men of other races/ ethnicities.57 It is important to note that reported circumcision status may be subject to misclassification. In a study of adolescents¸ only 69% of circumcised and 65% of uncircumcised young men correctly identified their circumcision status as verified by physical exam.58
According to the National Hospital Discharge Survey (NHDS), 65% of newborns were circumcised in 1999, and the overall proportion of newborns circumcised was stable from 1979 through 1999. In 2007, the NHDS found that 55% of male infants were circumcised.59 Notably, the proportion of black newborns circumcised increased during this reporting period (58% to 64%); the proportion of white newborns circumcised remained stable (66%). In addition, the proportion of newborns in the Midwest who were circumcised increased during the 20-year period—from 74% in 1979 to 81% in 1999—while the proportion of infants born in the West who were circumcised decreased from 64% in 1979 to 37% in 1999. In another survey, the National Inpatient Sample (NIS), circumcision rates increased from 48% during 1988–1991 to 61% during 1997–2000 but declined to 56% in 2008. Circumcision was more common among newborns who were born to families of higher socioeconomic status, born in the Northeast or Midwest, and who were black.60
In 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) changed from a neutral stance on circumcision to a position that the data then available were insufficient to recommend routine neonatal male circumcision. The Academy also stated, “It is legitimate for the parents to take into account cultural, religious, and ethnic traditions, in addition to medical factors, when making this choice.”61 This position was reaffirmed by the Academy in 2005. AAP is currently reviewing and amending their policy in light of new data. Medicaid does not reimburse the costs of neonatal male circumcision in all states, which poses a barrier to male circumcision for individuals without private insurance. In a recent study conducted in 37 states in which the NIS is conducted, hospitals in states where Medicaid covers routine male circumcision had 24% higher circumcision rates than hospitals in states without such coverage.62

 

[Stardreamer]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

"It should be all too obvious that if there is no immediate need for a surgery (that's what it is) then you don't do it."
The subject of my post was about the unnecessary circumcision of baby boys, not ear rings tats etc.
Why would a medical decision be called for if their is no medical problem?

I find it odd how so many who believe in evolution think that nature has goofed up and left something that shouldn't be there, we are saying that males are born "flawed", but we can fix them. Pretty egotistical, IMO.

Yea I'm surprised we have wisdom teeth, tonsils and an appendix too.

But back when the practice started and at its height quite a few people thought it did have a medical or least health purpose and many still do.

 

[Kabluey]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Can only imagine how this debate works out in Australia, seems to be a 50/50 split there.

 

[medic1]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Yea I'm surprised we have wisdom teeth, tonsils and an appendix too.

But back when the practice started and at its height quite a few people thought it did have a medical or least health purpose and many still do.

We used to sell cadavers back in the day to doctors, never made it right.............

 

[LeicsDom]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

I mean, I don't feel bad that I'm circumcised, in fact I don't really care. My penis works, it feels good when I rub it and it'll probably feel good when I put it in my future boyfriend's or husband's asshole.

But the issue is that you have never had the choice.
You may not feel bad about being cut but you have nothing to compare it with

 

[LeicsDom]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

But back when the practice started and at its height quite a few people thought it did have a medical or least health purpose and many still do.

Yes but things have changed since medieval times, we have medical expertise and improved health

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

I don't really know why it had not come to me before, but I had not bothered to take in the money hospitals make from doing them in the states. I just googled average prices and it seems they range from $100-800 - at the lower range not that expensive, but a decent bit of money for a quick and easy procedure. I'm guessing that is why us lot with universal health care think it's weird.

Still all moral and aesthetic arguments are a bit silly - I do think it is strange that parents want to cut off part of their new born sons, but I think they are probably put under an amount of pressure to conform and make hospitals a decent amount of money every day.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Why do we think its a good idea to circumcise men in this country??? United States BTW

Yea I'm surprised we have wisdom teeth, tonsils and an appendix too.

But back when the practice started and at its height quite a few people thought it did have a medical or least health purpose and many still do.

Of course, you do realize that as a matter of course we leave wisdom teeth, tonsils and the appendix alone unless there is a problem,
then a doctor deals with it.
I have never hear of tonsils and the appendix being surgically removed from a new born because "they don't need it".

Eventually if science id right about evolution the items we speak of will change or disappear, it's a slow process.

Also at one time blood letting was on the cutting edge of things (pun intended) once it was found to do no good, they gave it up.