Old McCain Losing It on Illegals

[SoulSearcher]

To think that this dinosaur would have mavericked his way to Prezi dency. Riling on O'Riley's pigfest, when asked about the possibility of racial profiling in Arizona arising out of state laws regarding undocumented immigrants, his answer:

I hope -- I would be very sorry that if some of that happens. And I regret it, but I also regret the -- really, it's not just the murder of Robert Krantz. It's the people whose homes and property are being violated. It's the drive-by that -- the drivers of cars with illegals in it that are intentionally causing accidents on the freeway. Look, our border is not secured. Our citizens are not safe.

There was one who got into Yale with less than mediocre grades because of daddy, and then we have this maverick with average grades and short arms still yapping around like an old tards that he is. But it also shows how angry the immigration issue makes some people. Its possibly the bad economic times, America has a tradition of scapegoating immigrants and minorities when the economy goes down.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/20/john-mccains-strange-clai_n_544559.html

 

[kallipolis]

To think that this dinosaur would have mavericked his way to Prezi dency. Riling on O'Riley's pigfest, when asked about the possibility of racial profiling in Arizona arising out of state laws regarding undocumented immigrants, his answer:



There was one who got into Yale with less than mediocre grades because of daddy, and then we have this maverick with average grades and short arms still yapping around like an old tards that he is. But it also shows how angry the immigration issue makes some people. Its possibly the bad economic times, America has a tradition of scapegoating immigrants and minorities when the economy goes down.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/20/john-mccains-strange-clai_n_544559.html

Tribalism is a reminder that the original indigenous people of North America did not issue green cards to the newly arrived immigrants. Thankfully the car had yet to be invented. The contemporary English driver is renowned for their murderously, anti social driving habits.

But John McCain was addressing more recent illegal immigration. Perhaps John should learn the Spanish language.

 

[White Eagle]

Your post of how angry immigration issue makes some people, I found this that says the immigration issue may split GOP and tea baggers. Yea if it does.
This article states how McCain championed a bill that would make illegals citizens and pissed off a lot of the base.
I hope they get into the immigration and split the GOP so much they can't recover.
But it states the Dems need to be careful too.


http://www.alternet.org/story/146522/how_immigration_reform_could_split_the_right

Mother Jones By Suzy Khimm

How Immigration Reform Could Split the Right
If Democrats tackle the issue, they could provoke Tea Party-GOP warfare.
April 20, 2010 |

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid recently declared that Democrats would take up immigration reform "this year," defying the conventional wisdom that the issue is too perilous for the party to push during an election year. But maybe it's Republicans who should be nervous—because a high-octane immigration fight could drive a wedge between the Republican Party and the Tea Party right.

"It becomes a very explosive argument when you talk about legitimizing immigrants," says retired GOP Rep. Tom Davis, the former chair of the National Republican Campaign Committee. "From a Republican point of view, there is a dilemma."

The Republican Party got badly burned when Congress last considered immigration reform in 2006 and 2007. Some GOP legislators, including Sen. John McCain, championed a bipartisan bill that would have provided a path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants. But this proposition outraged the conservative base, who decried it as an "amnesty" for law-breakers. The right-wingers won the day—their attacks torpedoed the legislation. But this victory came at a cost. George W. Bush had worked hard to woo Latino voters, hoping to bring them into the GOP fold. In the 2008 presidential election, however, Latinos flocked to vote for Obama. Such fights "underscored their divisions—between their rural and conservative blue-collar supporters and their more business-oriented and pro-trade segments of the party," says Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg. And the party has yet to recover from the fallout. "Republicans ought to be embracing them instead of chasing them away," says Davis, referring to immigrants. "It hasn't. It’s gone from bad to worse in some ways."

 

[Mariatenebre]

First of all I have no problem with anyone's race. HOWEVER if you come to this country you should as any citizen would come legally.

 

[SoulSearcher]

First of all I have no problem with anyone's race. HOWEVER if you come to this country you should as any citizen would come legally.

I'll be sure to keep your wishes in mind next time lol

 

[jackoroe]

McCain is in trouble and he knows it. He supported amnesty for illegal immigrants and it's time he pays the price!

We have a right to maintain the sovereignty of this nation. All are welcomed to join us. Just don't climb through the bathroom window at 0300 hrs.

 

[grantt]

This issue is going to be trouble for Obama no matter what. McCain is doing what his constuents want for a change. The illegal problem is manifested by violence, crime and drugs. The majority of Americans are going to not feel so generous to grant too many rights, if any, at this time. And let it be clear.....it's the illegality that makes this a problem to begin with.

 

[SuperPsyze]

What documentation are we talking about here anyway? Many US Citizens and Legal Immigrants don't have Drivers Licenses. Illegal immigrants can easily get Drivers Licenses from the states neighboring Arizona as well. Are we all expected to carry around birth certificates and social security cards?

 

[swerve]

McCain is in trouble and he knows it. He supported amnesty for illegal immigrants and it's time he pays the price!

We have a right to maintain the sovereignty of this nation. All are welcomed to join us. Just don't climb through the bathroom window at 0300 hrs.

I'm not a huge fan of McCain -- but I SUPPORT amnesty for those that are here and want to stay...

We have had LARGE U.S. Corporations gobble up small town America after Reagan de-regulated finance (in which companies could LEVERAGE the debt ONTO the company they were buying -- remember the "greed is good" movie?) -- they then ACTIVELY RECRUITED hispanics to illegally cross the border and replace the much higher paid American work force...

They would even advertise in Mexico offering FREE APARTMENTS and GUARANTEED jobs for those that could make it in...

THEY ARE THE GUILTY ONES...

NOT our fellow human beings that were just trying to make a better life for themselves -- or trying to help their families out financially...

So now -- HERE WE ARE...

The BANKS have COLLAPSED...

Corporations have become "TOO BIG TO FAIL"

and for SOME BIZARRE reason -- SOME American politicians are trying to use a minority group as a SCAPE GOAT...

WE -- as GAY AMERICANS (another minority) -- should be OUTRAGED!!!

jmo...

Sorry about the rant...

 

[01solara]

I'll be sure to keep your wishes in mind next time lol

Why not keep the law in mind. In fact why not hold illegals accountable and send them back to their home countries until they do things the right way.

 

[bankside]

To think that this dinosaur would have mavericked his way to Prezi dency. Riling on O'Riley's pigfest, when asked about the possibility of racial profiling in Arizona arising out of state laws regarding undocumented immigrants, his answer:



There was one who got into Yale with less than mediocre grades because of daddy, and then we have this maverick with average grades and short arms still yapping around like an old tards that he is. But it also shows how angry the immigration issue makes some people. Its possibly the bad economic times, America has a tradition of scapegoating immigrants and minorities when the economy goes down.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/20/john-mccains-strange-clai_n_544559.html

Immigrants? Or illegal aliens? Why would enforcing the law be a bad idea just because the economy went for crap last year?

 

[bankside]

I'm glad law-breakers are in the minority, but that does not make them a "minority group" that I should owe some allegiance to as though we have a common cause.

I'm interested in a few good laws, fully enforced.

 

[swerve]

^are you suggesting that the POWER STRUCTURE that INDUCED them to break the law shouldn't be whats challenged???

And if we made immigration laws a little EASIER for people -- I'm sure that we wouldn't have such a HUGE problem of "illegals"...

We're ALL humans REGARDLESS of our invisible borders...

 

[Centexfarmer]

This issue is going to be trouble for Obama no matter what.

HELLO!

Obama could make a statement that he's about to cross the street, and the Republicans in both houses would line up on a party line vote and say he shouldn't do it.

McCain is doing what his constituents want for a change.

Got to love those "Mavericks" out there in Arizona!

The illegal problem is manifested by violence, crime and drugs.

Urm...not exactly.

The "illegal" problem has been around for decades.

The Government of Mexico's cracking down on drug trafficking (which is what the U.S. Policy, at least dating back to Reagan, has been encouraging them to do), and some of the apparent successes of the Mexican Government's efforts in that regard have been met with some "blow back."

NOW we're going to blame the Mexicans AND "illegals" for the violence, crime and drugs???

Sounds like McCain is coming up for a reelection.

The majority of Americans are going to not feel so generous to grant too many rights, if any, at this time.

Nor should they!

The Mexican Consulate General has pretty much been up every State Attorney General's ass in regard to extraditing "illegal" Mexican Nationals that kill cops, kids, and generally disobey State, Local, and Federal Laws especially if there's a chance that they might get the Death Penalty for doing so.

There's enough hypocrisy to go around for all of the parties sitting at the table in the this debate.

And let it be clear.....it's the illegality that makes this a problem to begin with.

Not to mention the "political points" that can be scored with any one party base on this issue!

It's pathetic!

And Arizona Senator John "I never considered myself a Maverick" McCain is all over it!

 

[JB3]

HELLO!

Obama could make a statement that he's about to cross the street, and the Republicans in both houses would line up on a party line vote and say he shouldn't do it.

It wouldn't be just the Republicans. Any solution Obama would propose wouldn't go far enough for either side, just like with what Bush proposed.

 

[Centexfarmer]

It wouldn't be just the Republicans. Any solution Obama would propose wouldn't go far enough for either side, just like with what Bush proposed.

Care to elaborate?

 

[grantt]

It wouldn't be just the Republicans. Any solution Obama would propose wouldn't go far enough for either side, just like with what Bush proposed.

The thing is that Obama will not secure the border first. That is was most americans want. That is first before doing anything else. It must be done and now. Does not matter that this has gone on for decades.......that does not make it right. what is right is to have a secure border and to do it now.

 

[bankside]

if [STRIKE]stealing[/STRIKE] taking anything under $100 wasnt illegal then we would have less thieves





swerve, i do agree with you though about cracking down on businesses using illegal labor

Don't be silly. Those are "undocumented purchases."

^are you suggesting that the POWER STRUCTURE that INDUCED them to break the law shouldn't be whats challenged???

And if we made immigration laws a little EASIER for people -- I'm sure that we wouldn't have such a HUGE problem of "illegals"...

We're ALL humans REGARDLESS of our invisible borders...

No, I'm not suggesting anything about ridiculous notions of power structures. The United States has legal procedures for immigrating. No one who is not born a citizen has a right to be there, but if you follow the legal procedures then you can. If you don't follow the legal procedures, then why should you be there?

That is ridiculous to say people were "induced" to break the law just because they were unwilling to make the effort to use legal procedures. Again, no one has a right to citizenship in a foreign country; you have to ask to get in. The states should be no exception.

 

[Centexfarmer]

The thing is that Obama will not secure the border first. That is was most americans want. That is first before doing anything else. It must be done and now. Does not matter that this has gone on for decades.......that does not make it right. what is right is to have a secure border and to do it now.

Oh Contraire!

Not only does "right" not have a voice in this, it's about to be drowned out by politics, political manauvering, and going against the Tea Baggers in their opposition against Federal Spending, while upending their desire to secure our borders.

It's usually easier to hate on the "illegals" while ignoring the fact that doing something about it costs resources.

From the Fort Worth Startle Gram:

Border senators seek to regain prosecution-initiative funds

Here's to having cake (right) and eating it too.

Hypocrites.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is one of those places where no one is going to do anything, because criminals have the PTBs by the balls.

That is to say, invaders of the country have enough friends here who will vote against politicians upholding the law that no politician who belongs to the ubiquitous "Re-Elect Us!" party is going to do more than exercise his or her jaw -- if that.


However, make me dictator for a day just on this issue, and here's what we do:

1. All corporations which encouraged illegals to come here will have 50% of their stock seized, to be taken primarily from the major stockholders, on a sliding scale.

2. All companies which knowingly employed illegals once they were here, but did not encourage them, will have 1/4 of their stock seized, as per above.

3. All illegals currently in the country will be given two options:
A. a. learn English,
b. study and learn the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, with emphasis on the Bill of Rights,
c. pay $5,000 + $1,000/yr. or 10% of annual income while here (whichever is greater); no-interest, 25-year loans will be offered, OR
B. punishment at hard labor, for life or until A is chosen.

4. Revenues from 2 above will be divided between providing materials to any locals who wish to volunteer their time and labor to build a border fence and providing basic resources to legal immigrants who are still struggling

5. All unused slots for any nationality will be immediately made available for 'established' illegals, retroactive to 1976 (in honor of the BiCentennial), bye year of arrival

6. Immigration law will be modified to allow legal residency to any immigrant able to pay the U.S. government the going rate for a coyote to get someone here or $5000, whichever is lesser.

7. Immigration law will be modified to provide a 50% increase in immigration per year, with the increase assigned to those who can show sustained economic hardship in their home countries.



At least, that's the way I feel about it right now.