Ominous sign: World sets record ocean temperature

[TheTalkingAsshole]

Does anyone know what it's called when we have ice sheets at the north and south poles? It's the technical definition of an ice age. Yes, we are in an ice age. I have no doubt that the climate is changing. It always does. Over the billions of years the Earth has seen many periods of glaciation and melting. Amazingly, without fossil fuels or other man made substances.

So there may be one ocean measurement that shows the ocean temperatures above normal in a particular area. Are there other potential causes? Did the research look into that? Are they trying to cherry pick data to advance their agenda? And if this indicates an increase in global ocean temperatures, is there indisputable proof that it's directly caused by humans? I'm skeptical.

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

I didn't say the mere existence of ice. I said ice sheets....covering the north and south poles. Which is the case now. Plus there's massive glaciation in parts of the northern hemisphere...and all of Greenland.

And taking small time periods and extrapolating that as it relates to a planet that is over 4 billion years old is like me saying that the planet is cooling becuase I'm cold right now. Nevermind that I have the air conditioning running in my giant SUV...and it's 73 degrees outside...in the summer.

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

You assume that I read your post. Okay, I agree that there are cycles. But you're making it seem like exact science. So what specific date is the next cycle supposed to start? End? What will the weather be like in Danville IL on Sept 22, 2013? Or just where I am in three days? My point (yes, I have one) is that you can't take a snapshot (even 100 years is a snapshot in the earth's history) and extrapolate that out ad infinitum. And again, why hard proof is that of a direct correlation between any change in climate and man made causes?

 

[wastingmymind]

Some people would find problems with my post, but when certain geological conditions/properties are above or below "normal" or as recorded previously, I get worried. I don't know why this doesn't worry you.

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

Some people would find problems with my post, but when certain geological conditions/properties are above or below "normal" or as recorded previously, I get worried. I don't know why this doesn't worry you.

Ok, I'll bite. Using your reasoning I should be very worried about this...The average daily precipitation in Minneapolis where I am is .08 inches per day. But on Wednesday it rained 2.03 inches...or 25 times the average!!! Help!!! I'm going to drown!!!

Very good points.

If you look at the chart, the heating trends last a specific period of time. This past heating trend which started 20,000 years ago has lasted as long as the other heating trends. I believe this means we should have been and should be seeing a cooling trend. When I say trends, I am speaking in quantified averages of 100 years. A rapid heating of 1 degree in 100 years is striking, and alarming, and points to a cause that is beyond natural causes in my opinion and the opinion of the vast majority of environmental scientists.

However now we are seeing a different crisis in the use of fossil fuels, that is the availability of oil and natural gas is projected to decline rapidly over the next 100 years. Perhaps the fate of the availability of oil will dramatically reduce the use of carbon dioxide producing fuel and partially solve the widely recognized problem of greenhouse gas production.

Well there you go then. We'll be out of horrible fossil fuels in 100 years. The earth will be just fine. It's 4.5 billion years old and was hit by the fucking moon for christ sake. I think it can handle 100 years of natural occurring petroleum based products. And that's if you buy into the global warming hysteria

 

[bankside]

Are humans responsible for demolishing the island of Lam Chau to make Honk Kong International Airport? I say it could have been erosion.

These "scientists" claim it was due to blasting and bulldozers, but I don't see any bulldozers. And I can show you that erosion is just a natural process. I made a sand castle on the beach and water washed it away.

I just don't believe that humans could be responsible for destroying an entire island to build an airport. It is just coincidence. After all, Atlantis also disappeared into the sea, and that happened before bulldozers.

Yep, islands come and islands go. Humans had nothing to do with it. What agenda are these scientists pushing anyway?????

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

bs...I like how you argued both sides of the issue...in just a few sentences. Impressive. And maybe the bulldozers of Atlantis got lost too?

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

I'm merely trying to gauge the seriousness of the situation.

And I'm merely trying to be the gauge

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

^ I think 2 people did...but they're living "off the grid" 200 miles east of Portland and are unreachable for comment. Not that I'd want to ask their opinion in person...they smell bad.

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

I was just joshing you on that one, but I have been wondering what their true purposes are?

The true purpose of the noble cockeroach? Find a cure for cancer? Bring us world peace? Help explain to me how people could have possibly elected a worse extemporaneous speaker and intellectually lighterweight President than Bush?

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

LMAO wow TalkingAsshole that is a stunning piece of commentary.

Thank you very little

 

[SexyGuy]

bs...I like how you argued both sides of the issue...in just a few sentences. Impressive. And maybe the bulldozers of Atlantis got lost too?

If you actually believe in Atlantis, I guess the bulldozers did get lost. Then again, who knows what technology they had... That's if you believe in that story.

Has anyone seen the Movie, "Day After Tomorrow"? It is actually very much on this topic of the OP.

I've seen it and own it. Very good movie, and it's pretty accurate.

How can we kill those damnable cockroaches! Anyway, Man cannot bump evolution, Man has to work with evolution in order to survive.

In terms of evolution, bacteria, viruses, and other simple organisms will have a much better chance of survival when compared to larger, more complex organisms, such as humans and other major life forms. This is due to how fast they (i.e., bacteria, and simple microorganisms) can reproduce, and this gives them a huge advantage over us.


With that said, I am honestly not surprised that the Earth's oceans are warming. We continue to burn fossil fuels, instead of switching over to renewable resources, and we're wasteful of our resources (both natural and man-made).

 

[Jack Springer]

The true purpose of the noble cockeroach? Find a cure for cancer? Bring us world peace? Help explain to me how people could have possibly elected a worse extemporaneous speaker and intellectually lighterweight President than Bush?

It amazes me how any conversation can be twisted so that a person or belief can be slammed and their own agenda promoted.

 

[HenryReardon]

Very good points.

If you look at the chart, the heating trends last a specific period of time. This past heating trend which started 20,000 years ago has lasted as long as the other heating trends. I believe this means we should have been and should be seeing a cooling trend. When I say trends, I am speaking in quantified averages of 100 years. A
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Haven't you yeard of the 'little ice age?' It followed the 'medieval warm period' and lasted for quite a while - ending in the late 1800s.

This was from Wikipedia:

The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling occurring after a warmer North Atlantic era known as the Medieval Warm Period. While not a true ice age, the term was introduced into scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939.[1] Climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions. Some confine the Little Ice Age to approximately the 16th century to the mid 19th century.[2] It is generally agreed that there were three minima, beginning about 1650, about 1770, and 1850, each separated by slight warming intervals

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

It amazes me how any conversation can be twisted so that a person or belief can be slammed and their own agenda promoted.

Apparently you haven't been reading my posts. It comes naturally for some.

 

[hotatlboi]

The earth will be just fine. It's 4.5 billion years old and was hit by the fucking moon for christ sake. I think it can handle 100 years of natural occurring petroleum based products. And that's if you buy into the global warming hysteria

The earth will handle it yes. But a lot of the concern over global warming is human related. People in lowland coastal areas will be killed if sea levels rise, many people in Asia will lose their drinking water if all the glaciers continue to melt, etc.

 

[Nishin]

^ many species will disappear... some diseases will spread beyond their traditional zones of influence, etc etc

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

The earth will handle it yes. But a lot of the concern over global warming is human related. People in lowland coastal areas will be killed if sea levels rise, many people in Asia will lose their drinking water if all the glaciers continue to melt, etc.

The people in Asia can use the melting glaciers for their drinking water. You see the rising oceans as half empty...I see them as half full...and rising. As for the people in the lowland coastal areas...if they're going to sit there for decades as the oceans rise and eventually drown, then they deserve to die for being so stupid.

 

[hotatlboi]

then they deserve to die

I think we may have uncovered the fundamental difference in perspective between us on this issue.

very informative

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

You'd be the stupid one if you don't help them or give fair warnings, etc.

Well I'd be alive and they'd be dead...so I guess I wouldn't feel too stupid. But then again I am an asshole, so put that into the equation

But to make you happy I'll take this opportunity to reach out to all of the IQ deficient along the coasts. Here's my warning...please pass it on...

Hey people, you live near massive bodies of water called oceans. They're deep...and wet. If suddenly a huge wall of water appears and you find yourself underwater, that's a hurricane, they're dangerous...but usually predicted on the moving picture box. If you find yourself similarly underwater but there was no strong winds or accompanying wall of water...you fell off the pier. I hope you can swim. If the ocean rises in increments of inches and centimeters over the course of decades, then I guess I'll come help haul your stupid asses out of the waist deep muck so you do go and die.

You're right, it does feel good to give fair warning to my fellow man.