Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Yea why not?
If it bothers you go burn a cross for fucks sake.
Yea why not?
If it bothers you go burn a cross for fucks sake.
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Online push for Bert, Ernie to have gay wedding on 'Sesame Street'
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Good grief, they children's characters, leave them alone. Do we have to impose sexualisation into everything kids see? As they are, Ernie and Bert are friends who happen to live together in their make believe world of puppet magic.
Good grief, they children's characters, leave them alone. Do we have to impose sexualisation into everything kids see? As they are, Ernie and Bert are friends who happen to live together in their make believe world of puppet magic.
Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
do we have to impose heterosexual sexual ism on children.
I find it abnormal.
poor you married to a woman when you really want cock
do we have to impose heterosexual sexual ism on children.
I find it abnormal.
poor you married to a woman when you really want cock
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Why not Bevis and Butthead?
Why not Bill and Ted?
Why not Laurel and Hardy?
or some other two friend combo? If there wasn't an intentional gay connotation to a pairing, why introduce it?
Why not Bevis and Butthead?
Why not Bill and Ted?
Why not Laurel and Hardy?
or some other two friend combo? If there wasn't an intentional gay connotation to a pairing, why introduce it?
Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
maybe it wasn't the right time for those characters.
now maybe it is.
why does it bug you so much?
maybe it wasn't the right time for those characters.
now maybe it is.
why does it bug you so much?
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Bert and Ernie are characters aimed at young kids. Kids who have not developed their sense of sexual identity, pre-teens. Kids are neither homosexual or heterosexual but they will, in time, find out who they are.
Today, everyone has more exposure to gay characters on screen and television more so than in our day. As children grow into adolescence, they may be able to watch more grown up shows, where there are more visible gay characters on screen. They maybe can associate their gender orientations with such flesh and blood characters more rather than B&E.
We all learn stuff by being presented by a simple idea, but as we grow, that simplistic view on such a thing soon changes to allow us to accept that it can be more complicated than that. Just as you can learn addition and subtraction in mathematics, you soon find out there is multiplication, fractions, decimals, surds and roots. When kids are growing up, they'll acquire new info all in good time.
Bert and Ernie are characters aimed at young kids. Kids who have not developed their sense of sexual identity, pre-teens. Kids are neither homosexual or heterosexual but they will, in time, find out who they are.
Today, everyone has more exposure to gay characters on screen and television more so than in our day. As children grow into adolescence, they may be able to watch more grown up shows, where there are more visible gay characters on screen. They maybe can associate their gender orientations with such flesh and blood characters more rather than B&E.
We all learn stuff by being presented by a simple idea, but as we grow, that simplistic view on such a thing soon changes to allow us to accept that it can be more complicated than that. Just as you can learn addition and subtraction in mathematics, you soon find out there is multiplication, fractions, decimals, surds and roots. When kids are growing up, they'll acquire new info all in good time.
Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
^marriage is bond between two people who love each other.
I see flower girls and ring boys at weddings all the time.
what is the difference if it's two men or two women who get married.
will it traumatize the children?
Sadly I think you believe that
^marriage is bond between two people who love each other.
I see flower girls and ring boys at weddings all the time.
what is the difference if it's two men or two women who get married.
will it traumatize the children?
Sadly I think you believe that
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
What you're really asking is what social peer group influence the children is exposed to and how they mimic that. For that I have no real answer, as from peer group to wider social groups and the communities they live in, there may be a spectrum of view on life. I can only encourage my child to be open minded and steer him away from prejudice. As a minority ethnic I had my share of prejudice, and I would not wish my child to be party to prejudice against others.
What you're really asking is what social peer group influence the children is exposed to and how they mimic that. For that I have no real answer, as from peer group to wider social groups and the communities they live in, there may be a spectrum of view on life. I can only encourage my child to be open minded and steer him away from prejudice. As a minority ethnic I had my share of prejudice, and I would not wish my child to be party to prejudice against others.
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Maybe because it makes gays as a whole look like a bunch of whiney fucking queens who have to have things their way, and think that any two guys who are close friends HAVE to be gay, and that every guy everywhere wants cock either overtly or secretly.
Wake the fuck up.
Its not about traumatizing children, its about turning two straight characters into two gay characters, just so we can shove a gay wedding down everyone's throat.
If its that big an issue to you, try petitioning them to add a gay human character. Make them CREATE a gay character, instead of taking two straight ones and saying "See, not only can boys marry other boys, but you don't even have to love someone to marry them. Get married to your friends, then you can both go and fuck around and be adulterers. Let's just completely destroy the symbol of marriage"
Ya, cuz enough people don't think we're ALREADY doing that.
So... not just two friends?
Maybe because it makes gays as a whole look like a bunch of whiney fucking queens who have to have things their way, and think that any two guys who are close friends HAVE to be gay, and that every guy everywhere wants cock either overtly or secretly.
Wake the fuck up.
Its not about traumatizing children, its about turning two straight characters into two gay characters, just so we can shove a gay wedding down everyone's throat.
If its that big an issue to you, try petitioning them to add a gay human character. Make them CREATE a gay character, instead of taking two straight ones and saying "See, not only can boys marry other boys, but you don't even have to love someone to marry them. Get married to your friends, then you can both go and fuck around and be adulterers. Let's just completely destroy the symbol of marriage"
Ya, cuz enough people don't think we're ALREADY doing that.
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So... not just two friends?
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Some characters already got married on Sesame Street, so why not?
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Quite so.
But I always thought Big Bird was gay.....
Quite so.
But I always thought Big Bird was gay.....
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Is there any reason why this can't be merged with this~
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352486
Is there any reason why this can't be merged with this~
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352486
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Is there any reason why this can't be merged with this~
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352868
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352868
Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
No, they should not get married. Why? Because they're not gay. Guess what? They're also not straight. They're puppets. They have no sex organs. They don't have sex. They don't even go on dates.
It would be great to see gay humans on Sesame Street, and perhaps some day we will. However, I don't like the idea of them playing out a political statement through these two characters. You do realize that Bert and Ernie's relationship is often filled with frustration on Bert's part, right? They play off the conflict between the two, with Ernie being more happy-go-lucky and Bert being more uptight. So, do we really want their relationship to be a model for gay marriages? What was once buddies stuck in a sometimes tumultuous friendship, now we'd have a married couple repeatedly in conflict, while the human married couple seems to get along fine. Conflict between two friends that is easily resolved takes on a whole new twist when it's between two married people, and either Ernie would begin to look like an very irresponsible husband, or Bert would end up looking like a very uptight "wife" stereotype.
The sad part about dragging all of this into the public eye and trying to demand it happen is that it ruins the possible subtext that has always existed. What one might have imagined as a loving gay relationship has now had to be confirmed as not being a romantic one at all. A child who has begun to realize he is different from other children might have been drawn to the characters and wondered if it might be possible that the love they share is more than friendship. What we project onto the characters is just that--what we project. Once we demand the characters act out roles we think they should, they stop being characters everyone can paint their own colors onto, and instead become static canvases.
No, they should not get married. Why? Because they're not gay. Guess what? They're also not straight. They're puppets. They have no sex organs. They don't have sex. They don't even go on dates.
It would be great to see gay humans on Sesame Street, and perhaps some day we will. However, I don't like the idea of them playing out a political statement through these two characters. You do realize that Bert and Ernie's relationship is often filled with frustration on Bert's part, right? They play off the conflict between the two, with Ernie being more happy-go-lucky and Bert being more uptight. So, do we really want their relationship to be a model for gay marriages? What was once buddies stuck in a sometimes tumultuous friendship, now we'd have a married couple repeatedly in conflict, while the human married couple seems to get along fine. Conflict between two friends that is easily resolved takes on a whole new twist when it's between two married people, and either Ernie would begin to look like an very irresponsible husband, or Bert would end up looking like a very uptight "wife" stereotype.
The sad part about dragging all of this into the public eye and trying to demand it happen is that it ruins the possible subtext that has always existed. What one might have imagined as a loving gay relationship has now had to be confirmed as not being a romantic one at all. A child who has begun to realize he is different from other children might have been drawn to the characters and wondered if it might be possible that the love they share is more than friendship. What we project onto the characters is just that--what we project. Once we demand the characters act out roles we think they should, they stop being characters everyone can paint their own colors onto, and instead become static canvases.
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Why did this need a seperate thread when there was already one on this?
Anyway, no, I don't think politics on marriage equality should be put on a children's show.
Why did this need a seperate thread when there was already one on this?
Anyway, no, I don't think politics on marriage equality should be put on a children's show.
Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
As was pointed out by someone else, Star, Miss Piggy is a Muppet character primarily, and if you watch The Muppet Show, for most of the show it is Miss Piggy throwing herself after Kermit, not him pursuing her. Actually, for most of that show he was usually telling her there wasn't anything between them. Even in the movies, Kermit does not accept her advances until The Great Muppet Caper, where they share their first real kiss. In most of the films, however, Kermit is still a bachelor, and she is still a lovelorn pig who has little hope of ever catching him.
So, your idea that they are in a relationship doesn't really hold true to the history of the characters, and since she is not a Sesame Street character, her story arcs are not really intended for that audience (consider how often she uses violence against Kermit whenever he spurns her love--another reason why they might avoid putting them together, since an abusive relationship isn't one they would want to glamorize).
I do find it interesting that from what I wrote, you only took that small bit on which to comment.
As was pointed out by someone else, Star, Miss Piggy is a Muppet character primarily, and if you watch The Muppet Show, for most of the show it is Miss Piggy throwing herself after Kermit, not him pursuing her. Actually, for most of that show he was usually telling her there wasn't anything between them. Even in the movies, Kermit does not accept her advances until The Great Muppet Caper, where they share their first real kiss. In most of the films, however, Kermit is still a bachelor, and she is still a lovelorn pig who has little hope of ever catching him.
So, your idea that they are in a relationship doesn't really hold true to the history of the characters, and since she is not a Sesame Street character, her story arcs are not really intended for that audience (consider how often she uses violence against Kermit whenever he spurns her love--another reason why they might avoid putting them together, since an abusive relationship isn't one they would want to glamorize).
I do find it interesting that from what I wrote, you only took that small bit on which to comment.
Jim Henson seemed like a decent guy and I have a feeling he would be OK with Bert and Ernie being gay.
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Re: Should Bert and Ernie get married on Sesame Street?
Ok, I'm calling bullshit on this. Your statement was, "Really? Does that mean Kermit and Miss Piggy are living a lie?" So, if you're not implying there that the two are heterosexual or in a relationship, what was it you were trying to imply? My original post was about Bert and Ernie--you selected one small part of it, and ignored the rest. And Sesame Street didn't make a statement that Muppets don't have a sexual orientation--they said Bert and Ernie don't.
If you did your homework, you would know that The Muppets are owned by Disney, whereas Bert and Ernie are owned by The Sesame Workshop. They are not the same company. Kermit only makes rare appearances on the Sesame Street now, and mostly in old sketches. So, while others may be using the terms interchangeably, Bert and Ernie are actually not considered Muppets by ownership.
Your snotty "you typed that all out for nothing" wasn't necessary, but it does make it clear you're not really interested in discussing the issue beyond pushing your agenda.
Ok, I'm calling bullshit on this. Your statement was, "Really? Does that mean Kermit and Miss Piggy are living a lie?" So, if you're not implying there that the two are heterosexual or in a relationship, what was it you were trying to imply? My original post was about Bert and Ernie--you selected one small part of it, and ignored the rest. And Sesame Street didn't make a statement that Muppets don't have a sexual orientation--they said Bert and Ernie don't.
If you did your homework, you would know that The Muppets are owned by Disney, whereas Bert and Ernie are owned by The Sesame Workshop. They are not the same company. Kermit only makes rare appearances on the Sesame Street now, and mostly in old sketches. So, while others may be using the terms interchangeably, Bert and Ernie are actually not considered Muppets by ownership.
Your snotty "you typed that all out for nothing" wasn't necessary, but it does make it clear you're not really interested in discussing the issue beyond pushing your agenda.