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Ooops! I dropped my granddaughter to her death off the ship. It can't be my fault -- I only held her up to the open window that she couldn't reach.

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This story is the sort of thing that gives Americans the fairly applied reputation for being ridiculously litigious.

The family from Grainger, Indiana, is blaming the cruise line for their negligence. Can a ship be made idiot proof?

The child's maternal grandfather foolishly did something dangerous with his toddler, holding her up without paying attention himself. They were on a cruise ship at sea. It is doubtless easy to fall into a lull of false safety and security, which he must have done.

Yet, it is still on him. His daughter son-in-law are now suing the cruise line for not marking the danger more clearly. They are also claiming the ship didn't provide an adequate play area that was safe for children.

Well, WHO lifted the kid up out of the safe area to a place she couldn't otherwise reach?

How can people live in such denial. Be accountable. Stop blaming the world for the shit you do!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family...bbean-cruise-line-over-fall-death-2019-12-11/
 
I think the lawsuit is partly to bring attention to the charges against the grandfather brought by Puerto Rican authorities and to try to get them dropped. They're looking for a public outcry.
 
They might should worry about what the public will cry out.

Fool, careless, and Darwinian seem like they could be possibilities.

The singularity of this accident strongly suggests that safety protocols have been adequate on the cruise ships. These people did what almost no parents managed to do in the millions of folks who have cruised before them.
 
Its not the grandfather's fault. A lawyer would say that he had a reasonable belief that he was doing nothing wrong and lifting the little girl up to the window was something most parents have done.

Now it just gets crazy that the one little girl who places her hands on the glass is the same little girl that is lifted up to a window, places her hands on the glass only to discover there was no glass.

There should have been safety signs and there were not. There should have in accessible windows in which ventilation could have been provided only by opening windows that were clearly out of the reach of any human.

He is killing himself in his own mind and for him to live his last years knowing it is because of his actions (in his mind) that his granddaughter is dead.

What next. Are you going to sue the family of the little boy thrown off the shopping mall balcony because he was walking to near to the railing. THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN!!! No they shouldnt. It was a reasonable belief that no one would thrown the boy of the balcony.
 
NotHardUp1 said:
This story is the sort of thing that gives Americans the fairly applied reputation for being ridiculously litigious.

The family from Grainger, Indiana, is blaming the cruise line for their negligence. Can a ship be made idiot proof?

The child's maternal grandfather foolishly did something dangerous with his toddler, holding her up without paying attention himself. They were on a cruise ship at sea. It is doubtless easy to fall into a lull of false safety and security, which he must have done.

Yet, it is still on him. His daughter son-in-law are now suing the cruise line for not marking the danger more clearly. They are also claiming the ship didn't provide an adequate play area that was safe for children.

Well, WHO lifted the kid up out of the safe area to a place she couldn't otherwise reach?

How can people live in such denial. Be accountable. Stop blaming the world for the shit you do!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family...bbean-cruise-line-over-fall-death-2019-12-11/
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I normally hold back judgment because either all of the facts aren't in or I wasn't there. But in this case, I'm going to put the blame squarely on the grampa. I have 9 nephews and nieces. I babysat many of them when they were toddlers. Never once did I do anything as stoopid as put a toddler on a railing. Why? Because their sense of balance isn't well formed, yet. They tend to FALL. Those weren't even my kids and I remember everywhere we went I would look for potential dangers for the kids. Heck, most of my nephews and nieces are in their teens, and I still look for potential dangers when they're around.

The grampa is to blame in this case.
 
We all do dumb things from time to time. Most oft we get a chance to move on with out any harm done. I am sure that if this poor man had known that this window was open that he would never have lifted his grand daughter up to look out of it. Take a look at how many windows are shown, one happened to be open. This was a horrible error in judgement, but not criminal. This man will hate himself until he dies, blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
 
peeonme said:
We all do dumb things from time to time. Most oft we get a chance to move on with out any harm done. I am sure that if this poor man had known that this window was open that he would never have lifted his grand daughter up to look out of it. Take a look at how many windows are shown, one happened to be open. This was a horrible error in judgement, but not criminal. This man will hate himself until he dies, blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
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well said
 
NotHardUp1 said:
They might should worry about what the public will cry out.

Fool, careless, and Darwinian seem like they could be possibilities.

The singularity of this accident strongly suggests that safety protocols have been adequate on the cruise ships. These people did what almost no parents managed to do in the millions of folks who have cruised before them.
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I sincerely doubt THAT. Most people see terrible grief and they relate. Whatever happened, this man effectively was responsible for the death of his granddaughter. I don't know about you, but that must be a horrifying thing to have to live with.

Yes, what he did was stupid, but the result is horrifying. Cut the guy some slack. He has to live with knowing he killed his daughter's daughter. And he has to look his daughter in the eyes for the rest of his life, knowing HE is responsible for his daughter losing her child. Not SIDS, not cancer, not some terrible disease, not kidnapping. HIM.

I will not be surprised if he dies from heartbreak. He already said, right after he was arrest, that nothing they could do would be worse than this (his granddaughter dying because of his stupidity). The man is already in Hell. A little empathy, okay???
 
Two things are being conflated: empathy or sympathy for a horrible blunder versus defense of the cult of victimization in the US and the resultant litigation.

The grandfather absolutely deserves sympathy. No one wants to be him, and it is piteous that the Puerto Rican authorities are choosing to prosecute him. It was negligent homicide by all definitions, but it's not like the event poses some threat to the welfare of Puerto Ricans. This is hardly a trend.

On the other hand, loudly denying your culpability in a) standing a toddler on a railing, windows or not, and b) not holding onto her, is reprehensible. If the girl had merely wrested from him and fallen in and been killed by the fall would have been also possible if he were not holding onto her.

This sordid event rates right up there with the kid who was held up to the window and fell in the wild dog pit at the zoo and was killed by the dogs. Wasn't possible for the kid to get in there on his own. The safety measures had worked until an adult did something stupid enough to defeat them.

The question isn't about mercy or sympathy. It's about deflection and blame and denial. The grandpa can't be the victim. He's collateral damage, like everyone left alive in the wake of this tragedy. The granddaughter was the victim. She's dead. And it's his fault, not a cruise line's.
 
Odd. The thread title was complete when I created the thread, yet when it repeats with each post, it truncates.
 
Anything that may, in any way, hamper tourism [dollars] is a threat to the welfare of Puerto Ricans.

The accusations from the family, in the article, are that the cruise line was operating recklessly and possibly illegally.
 
Yes, by leaving windows open, and by not providing adequate safe play space for children. Lame or febrile accusations.

It doesn't take a 6th grade education to know that there IS no safe play space for an 18-month old child on any ship or anywhere without COMPETENT adult supervision and protection. Toddlers are practically on a self-destruct mission much of the time as any parent can tell you.

As for the Puerto Ricans, you'd think the solution to reducing any possible impact to tourism dollars would be to let time erase the memory, and charging the grandfather does just the opposite.

He should not be prosecuted.
 
Wherever insurance companies are involved, claims requested, someone has to be held legally accountable. It seems that, in this case, it's up to Puerto Rico's jurisdiction to sort this out.

The child could not have been in harm's way without gramps putting her there. He stood her on a handrail and let go. He has even admitted to having known about him having poor/a problem with his eyesight.
 
I don't think this accident is even as horrible as the parent that dropped the kid into the zoo pit with the wild dogs. Talk about a horror to behold, and totally avoidable.
 
What come to my mind are those who have left the children in hot cars, it's hard to understand that happening.
 
Surveillance video of the grandfather lifting the child up, then out the window and dangling her there for some 30 seconds before she falls is now online.
 
I think he needs someone to share the blame with. Imagine carrying that load alone. I doubt even death would heal his heart.
 
zoltanspawn said:
Surveillance video of the grandfather lifting the child up, then out the window and dangling her there for some 30 seconds before she falls is now online.
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There are 'lousy' screen captures from the surveillance video

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https://www.theindychannel.com/news...-ship-knew-window-was-open-cruise-ship-claims


Or is there a real time video of the accident
 
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