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Open Relationships: Sex With Others

Duh, of course!!! #-o
We have talked about that, and also quiting smoking ..| , but were still waiting :(
Let me tell you, once you add kids to the mix, you will be too tired to even think about an open relationship. The height of luxury will be a full nights sleep.
 
Let me tell you, once you add kids to the mix, you will be too tired to even think about an open relationship. The height of luxury will be a full nights sleep.

It wasn't something princepal to stop having sex with other since you have kids?
 
Meh... I'm not so sure about such thingy. Not even sure if i wanna share or not, but i always thought if a couple are willing to do such thing then i think, they gonna have some serious fun in the relationship with not much worries. But then again, i think it could be hard for the couple at sometime, i think.

Out to fuck someone else, back to someone you love. (If you know what i mean there.) Honestly, sometime i feel like cheating on my boyfriend abit cause a brazilian guy from my class is so teasing to me, he keep on asking me to go out with him and stuff. Seriously, i wanna fuck him badly, but i don't wanna cheat cause i feel it's not fair for my boyfriend. I don't know......:confused:

Opps! Sorry for being off topic! Haha...
 
i feel like cheating on my boyfriend abit cause a brazilian guy from my class is so teasing to me, he keep on asking me to go out with him and stuff. Seriously, i wanna fuck him badly, but i don't wanna cheat cause i feel it's not fair for my boyfriend.

Don't cheat or try having a threesome.
 
Quote: I wasn't bashing jnsessions... I was posting my personal opinion on why I feel the "open" relationships are unhealthy....

This has nothing to do with being close-minded... as a matter of fact I think were a little more open minded for having the ability to see things a bit more maturely than other people....

Actually, you're dumping all over jnsessions. Very odd that you think you are not.

And as for being a "little more open minded", where did you get that? No one is forcing an open relationship on anyone else. For those of us who live in open, mature, healthy loving relationships, nothing could be more natural.

If monogamy is essential to your relationship, well that's your business. But let me tell you, it doesn't make it any better or more loving than mine or jnsessions.

I'm curious, are you currently in a monogamous relationship? Have you ever been in one?[/quote]






While yes I admit to a little bashing previously ... and to be honest it wasn't meant to be bashing it just escalated because my feelings were wounded... (see previous posts)

BUT....

the post that RRRAlph quoted wasn't meant to be a bash at all ... It was me stating my opinion on "open" relationships..... as simple as that... As I pointed out throughout.... I prefaced nearly half of it with a great big bold IMHO.... meaning In My Humble Opinion...

As far as I am concerned...and again this is my opinion... if a person were mature they would be able to handle commitment....again...my opinion....

As far as my own relationships go ...all 3 have been monogamous.... When I came to the realization that it just wasn't going anywhere...when I realized that the desire that both had for one another or that one had for another was gone... I was mature enough to call it off before feelings could be hurt....

To me.... if I was dating someone...and they asked for our relationship to be "open" it means there isn't much of a relationship beyond friends with benefits... if thats all I am to that person then thats where it ends....

When I love someone... I don't need anyone else... I don't desire anyone else...the thought of having sex with someone else in a serious fashion is furthest from my mind....

Sure I may look at other men at the bar... I may watch a little porn.... but that is where I draw the line...

We humans are carnal creatures by nature... its instinct to go spread our seed to all willing participants... however we are human with human emotions... and in order to rise above that of a common animal it is imperative that we subdue our basest desires for the sake of love....

It's what separates us from the animals....

I for one know that I am mature enough to be able to subdue my base animal instincts... I am mature enough to be able to see the difference between real love and animalistic needs.....

To be honest ...and again this is my opinion... When I see 2 people who claim to be in an "open" relationship... what I see is 2 people who are desperatly clinging to the notion that there must be someone in their life in order for them to be whole... I see 2 people who are staying together out of co-dependancy and neediness rather than real love....

The reason I see this is because I watched it happen time and again to a friend of mine.... and this is where I drew my conclusions...
He couldn't accept that fact that he didn't HAVE to be in a relationship to be whole that he could be his own person ...yet time and again he would enter into a relationship and 3 months down the road it would be"open" and 3 months after that it would be closed again and another 3 months would pass before it would be "open" again and before you knew it the relationship would be over....
he still can't accept this and he still fights this endless circle of destruction to himself and those he dates....

His immaturity is where I draw my conclusions.... is where I base some of my opinions

As far as I am concerned I think we can all agree to disagree on this subject...

as far as being close-minded comes in... When I see something that is obviously destructive.... and "open" relationships are destructive.... (simply because the only 100% proven ways to prevent getting STD's is through monogamy and abstinance) than I will gladly remain close minded on this subject... I have seen the destruction it causes first hand and no one can undo that in my mind.....
 
I haven't read the entire thread, but is anyone familiar with the six basic love styles? There's a good explanation here.

Being mostly storge and agape myself (see link), I have no problem whatsoever being in an open relationship. If I were, say, an eros, maybe that would make a difference.

To me sex covers a broad range of territory. Just plain fun, connection to other people, an expression of love... in any combination. And none of the sex that I have with other people says anything about what I feel for the guy I'm dating.

I also wouldn't mind if he fell in love with someone else. I would just hope he still liked me too. I'm completely polyamorous. I don't expect anything in my relationship to be exclusive. I'm content to know that he wants me too, and that what we share is unique. Every relationship has its own inside jokes, its own language, its own shared history.
 
RRRalph would you be so kind of starting a thread about What kind of love style people in here are? or some shit to that effect I´m just so lazy to do it myself, and besides you have better redaction. ..|
 
In some posts i read about the open relationships and it makes me wonder how such things works. Do you tell that person you love that you have sex elsewhere or don’t you even mention that. Are you allowed to have continiously sex with one certain other? I guess it is how the two in such relationship set up the rules.
(bitter)I don't have relationships.(/bitter) And if I did, I doubt I'd have the time and energy to seek out and seduce more men outside the relationship. My appetites just aren't that insatiable. On the other hand, there are two or three guys I wouldn't mind bringing together into some sort of permanent threesome, however that would work. Which I suppose is a sort of "open" relationship if you want to look at that way, but since it'll never actually happen it's probably not worth discussing.

But I have seen one or two open relationships that worked, though the participants were (mostly) straight.
Let’s get deeper in this. Why would you have sex with some other than the one you love? How does having sex with others relate to being faithfull? Is it really easy to make a strict distinction in loving someone and having sex with someone? Well, that’s a couple of question that popes up when i think of open relationships.
Who's to say that Ionly love one person. True, there's probably one that I love above and beyond the others, but that doesn't mean that other emotions don't exist.
Open relationships wouldn’t be my thing. Maybe i’m oldfashion at this point and maybe i’m too jealous to share my girlfriend with someone else. I like my girls to love me for who i am and i like them to have sex with me exclusively. When they want to have sex with others, that means to me that i can’t provide what she needs.

For the ones who do open relationships: Tell me how your open relationship works.
Never actually been in one. But in the three "straight" (straight man, bi or bi-curious woman) open relationships I've had the chance to observe, each partner had the right to "approve" the other's extramarital companions, and such adventures were not something that happened very often.
For the ones who doesn’t: Tell me if open relationships would be something for you.
The most blatant failure of this type was also a straight relationship, and its failure arose from a matter of hypocrisy; the wife wanted the opporunity to sleep around without repercussions, and so gave her husband permission to do the same (and actively encouraged him, to pressure him into giving her similar freedom), secrently believing he'd never actually take her up on it. Then she caught him texting his old highschool sweetheart...

I have some responses to make about the anti-open relationship sentiment. I would like to begin by saying that I am not picking in the FallenGod; your statements just jumped out to me as the most clearly-stated examples.
Wait a minute .... you said husband... Obviously you aren't really married because marriage is about commitment... it's 2 people entering into a union with the exclusion of all others....

you insult the people who are fighting to make marriage legal in countries all over the world by feeding into the stereotype that gay people can't remain monogamous.....

This is the biggest factor in why I believe "open" relationships are wrong.... because the actions of a few ruin things for the rest....
Oh, please. Like married straight (and sometimes bi) folks never invite extra players into their bedroom games. :rolleyes: If straight folks don't have to give to their extramarital playmates, neither do gay people. While it may be against the spirit and even the letter of the marriage contract, I'd like to point out that they don't stop being husband and wife just because they sleep around.
You know today I was thinking about something on this subject....

Everyone likes to throw out the Trust issue....

And that got me thinking.... there is absolutely NO trust in an "open" relationship....

You inherently don't trust yourself or your partner to remain faithful so you open it as an excuse to get around that trust issue....

If you did trust the person yourself or the person you were with their would be no reason to have an "open" relationship....

the other thing is this....

God I already hate having to use this....

"open" relationships are the basest form of self-loathing.....

To degrade yourself so much that you would allow another person to risk themselves and yourself to disease, humiliation, and heartbreak just for a few sexual kicks has got to be the lowest form of disrespect one could have for themselves and others....

To use people on all spectrums ... from the people you bring home as mere sexual objects to the man you have who you supposedly love but isn't good enough to satisfy your overwhelming sexual urges.....

I am not mr. moral authority... to each their own... if you wanna have an "open" relationship than thats your business.... It's not for me and most decent people either....

IMHO "open" relationships are all about immaturity, disrespect, and self-loathing....

which is why I avoid them like the plague..... at all costs....

I respectfully disagree.

Trust: Trust doesn't just mean "trusting my partner not to cheat." It means "trusting my partner not to intentionally cause me harm or pain." If I believe he will curb his philandering ways enough to prevent harm to me, I can still be said to trust him. Open relationships can still have rules and limits. For example, I might be in a relationship with a guy whom I gave my permission to sleep with several "approved" mutual acquaintances. I've seen them work before, though I have personally never been in one.

Respect:
"open" relationships are the basest form of self-loathing.....
This is a pretty hefty indictment; I am certain that given time, that I could find a "baser" form of self-loathing somewhere. Also, you appear to be presuming the motives of others, which is shaky ground.
To degrade yourself so much that you would allow another person to risk themselves and yourself to disease, humiliation, and heartbreak just for a few sexual kicks has got to be the lowest form of disrespect one could have for themselves and others....
See my previous statement about "approved" partners. And it assumes such a relationship is all about sexual kicks. What if I know my partner has strong feelings for both myself and another man (Hell, let's say I like him too). If, rather than tear our relationship(s) apart, I choose to invite this third person into the relationship, how am I exhibiting self-loathing or exposing myself to disease, humiliation, and heartbreak? Keep in mind that if it all goes sour, humiliation and heartbreak were probably inevitable.
I am not mr. moral authority... to each their own... if you wanna have an "open" relationship than thats your business.... It's not for me and most decent people either....
This part just confuses me. You seem to begin by saying you're not passing moral judgment, and then end by blatantly passing moral judgment.

My take on the matter:
The way I see it, the day I came out is the day that I stopped letting other people tell me what my relationships should be like. I'll invent and follow whatever rules seem appropriate to the situation. A committed relationship need not be monogamous, because sexual fidelity is not the only commitment, and an open relationship need not be an indiscriminate screw-fest because that's not the only time a couple's be might be graced by a "guest star" now and again.
 
Quote from theFallenGod "I see 2 people who are staying together out of co-dependancy and neediness rather than real love...."

I know you put a lot more into your message and it does speak very clearly. In fact, your post is very well written and I think I understand your POV much better.

What I quoted above is what jumps out at me. Relationships are much more than sex. Emotional intimacy, willingness to love the faults as well as the virtues, financial and social issues etc are all part of the relationship.

Every partnership has to deal with each of this issues and there is little social disapproval of different styles. For example, some very happy couples maintain separate finances as that is what works for them. Some highly functional couples ignore certain aspects of each partners personality, habits or taste, and that seems to work for them.

Other relationships - mine for example - could not withstand separate financial arrangements but I wouldn't say a different arrangement was indicative of a problem.

Now let me take this a little further to emotional intimacy and friendships - nonsexual for the purposes of this part of the discussion. Most people have family and friends with whom they have a highly individual relationship, one that the partner does not share on its deepest level. For example, I have one friend since high school (over 30 year ago) and we understand each other in ways that no one without our shared history could. We delight in each others' company and our respective partners are in the friendship but not at the same level. Similarly, my brother and I don't even need to talk to know what's going on with each other (a bit of exaggeration but almost true) and that is a relationship which our partners understand but don't really participate.

Similarly, my partner of 13 years now has the same types of friendships.

Most couples can speak of the same type of relationships - again not sexual.

I think we can agree that the key to balancing these relationships is to be aware of them and their boundaries. If family pressure threatens the couple, the couple has to decide the best way to deal with the issues and the family needs to be aware of that. The same is true with friends. I have dropped friends who have interfered with my relationship and expect most people have as well.

So you might say that all couples have an "open" relationship when it comes to emotional intimacy, and on other matters as well. Every successful couple I know have negotiated household duties, in-laws, monies, lifestyle decisions and there is no one size fits all formula.

A healthy couple knows this and creates their style with respect and love, discarding what doesn't work and emphasizing what does.

It seems that it is only with sex that there is the pressure for one size fits all. I mentioned earlier that a major sexual fetish of mine is voyeurism, that is I love watching my partner having sex. I know there are many that wouldn't understand but you have to believe that it inherent with me.

We negotiated this right from the beginning and it works. We are open in both the sexual relationship and in terms of how we approach it. When my partner was ill for a few months, there was no question that both our external activities were off for the duration. His health required our full attention and it got it. I also cut back on my work schedule and stopped some volunteer work during this time.

I have to respectfully disagree with you that a relationship with outside sexual activity is less of a relationship. I and many others live happily and well inside them.
 
It wasn't something princepal to stop having sex with other since you have kids?

The kid circumstance was a bit different for us in that we took in my 6 year old niece and fostered a then 10 year old boy. Long story, another thread.

I really wasn't kidding about the sexiest night when kids are in the house is a full night's sleep. Even at that age they were exhausting.

We did not close the relationship at that point but there was no extra time to pursue anything. Also, I don't think kids should know very much about their parents' sex life and there is not much privacy in a house with kids.

On our annual couple's vacation, we did meet up with others.

The boy is off at college now and my niece is back living with her mother and stepfather so it is a lot quieter than it used to be.
 
I found this post which should be in this thread. I have the users permission.

I made the mistake of reluctantly entering a "let's open our relationship" agreement.

I was in an over 2 year-long sexless relationship (bf didn't like sex, just j/o and on rare occasion oral). It was ok for awhile but became torturous later on. HE approached ME with the idea of opening the relationship b/c he had already been fooling around w/ other guys. I reluctantly agreed and tried messing around on the side but I hated it and decided it was time to end the relationship.
 
There's a thread about this topic here. I also wrote my opinion about open relationships there.

Well, this is the story:

I have a gay male friend and he was in 3 way/open relationship for years, almost a decade and he said how the sex wasn't the frustrating part but more the lack of communication, jealousy, and lack of rules were some of the highly frustrating parts.

He told me how it was very frustrating and painful for him to have 2-3 boyfriends at once. The two men he was with were in an established relationship as a couple and invited him in and didn't set up rules or say that it was a closed/exclusive relationship and they'd go off and have sex with other men and not invite him and he got angry about this (who wouldn't?), so he dated another man to deal with this and he figured it was OK within the boundaries of the relationship since they had lots of sex with other men besides him and didn't think anything of it and wouldn't talk about closing the relationship or setting up rules/boundaries. He tried to get them to close the relationship but then they backed off and ended it, when they were the ones who wanted a 3 way relationship in the first place! He told me how he never really felt like he was a part of their relationship or felt daunted by the idea that they had an established relationship for years and how it just seemed like they invited him into their relationship for novelty, and they didn't take the relationship that they had with him seriously at all.

He told me how in theory open relationships work well in theory/fantasy; but in reality they don't work well and how he shouldn't have gotten involved in an open relationship like that instead of just having a relationship with one man. He told me how had he known how all of this would have worked out or what the couple he got involved with would have been like this, such as how they never communicated their wants/needs or talked about his wants/needs/expectations how he never would have had attempted an open relationship like this or gotten involved with them. The funny thing is, they didn't even live together. I can't even imagine based on what he told me, how badly it would have turned out if they had lived together.

I was invited to join M/F couple but I said no since they are legally married and have been 'together' for awhile and I know I'd feel left out, possibly jealous, and never REALLY part of their relationship no matter what since they have a legal marriage, have known each other for years even as friends, and they have kids.

I wanted to ask two of my gay friends if they wanted me as a boyfriend but I was moving and I knew that eventually they'd break up. They did eventually break up; but it wasn't because of anything that we did together.

I'm open to the idea of an open relationship but I wouldn't fool or delude myself and say that I'm in a "poly" (short for polyamorous) relationship and say "but you don't understand being poly is alllll about the love!!!!" :rolleyes: since it's just another word for an open relationship. I think I'd rather just have two seperate relationships with seperate people, have them both know about each other but not have us all live together. That is if I were to even ever have an open relationship and not just have a closed/exclusive one.
 
Open relationship is basically for people who want to be whores but don't want to feel guilty about it.
 
I think it is interesting that everyone comes here to be in a forum where they won't be judged or put down for who they are, but are really quick to put others down for not being like them! Don't forget that there are still a lot of people out there that think because you are gay, bisexual that you are immoral and undeserving of any rights. So, why all the judgement here?
 
Very early in our relatioship we established the rules. We don´t have sex elsewhere, we only have sex with other people only if the other is involved.

We are faithful. We do not keep anything hidden from each other. If he has a wish or fantasy, he shares it with me and I do with him. That´s real partnership. It works wonderful.

Does this means that open relationships doesn’t work well after all?

Two days ago, my husband left me for a woman and has been cheating on me for the last couple of months. I always thought we had the perfect marriage.

This motherfucker has destroyed my life, I´m a worthless piece of shit. I know I deserve it for having an open relationship and thinking everything was good.
 
RRRalph, from what I have read of your posts I always think that you are a level headed, thinking person. I would say it means that THEIR open relationship doesn't work well. To assume that this is indicative of all open relationships doesn't hold water. My parents were monogomous and straight but they divorced. That doesn't mean that all straight monogomous relationships fail! One can't base broad opinions on a single relationship! There is no way that we can know all of the dynamics of their relationship.
 
It means that THEIR open relationship doesn't work well. To assume that this is indicative of all open relationships doesn't hold water. My parents were monogomous and straight but they divorced. That doesn't mean that all straight monogomous relationships fail! One can't base broad opinions on a single relationship!

You are right!
 
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