Oregon's "Driver's Card" idea -- brilliant, or foolish?

[TX-Beau]

Why isn't that likely? Last I knew, you didn't need a license or proof of citizenship to buy a car.

I've known foreigners who've bought cars here. You need a license (yeah like car dealerships are going to look into that real closely), but you don't have to be a citizen to get a driver's license.

 

[TX-Beau]

I was speaking about undocumented immigrants; not necessarily everyone that the law applies to. If you're undocumented (the part that Benvolio's most concerned about) then you'll likely need a license to legally operate an employer's vehicle. Thus, the employer pays for the insurance.

And you forget that in Ben's world all immigrants are illegal and brown (my post was mostly directed at him). And it's true that according to Ben that the brown horde will never make enough money to own a vehicle because they spend too much time getting food stamps and free healthcare...

Agribusiness people around here do the driving themselves or get the "foreman" (guy who speaks Spanish and is a citizen,) to do it. Some of the migrants have vehicles that come from relatives or that get passed around getting people to and from job-sites. I have no idea what the situation for the titles of these vehicles are, and truthfully, there aren't a ton of them.

 

[Benvolio]

I was speaking about undocumented immigrants; not necessarily everyone that the law applies to. If you're undocumented (the part that Benvolio's most concerned about) then you'll likely need a license to legally operate an employer's vehicle. Thus, the employer pays for the insurance.

And you forget that in Ben's world all immigrants are illegal and brown (my post was mostly directed at him). And it's true that according to Ben that the brown horde will never make enough money to own a vehicle because they spend too much time getting food stamps and free healthcare...

You lie. I am critical of all immigration except a few scientists and Doctors. And my biggest complaint is that they take jobs.

 

[chrisrobin]

You lie. I am critical of all immigration except a few scientists and Doctors. And my biggest complaint is that they take jobs.

What about morticians?

 

[TX-Beau]

Manicurists?

 

[Benvolio]

Manicurists?

Inadvertently, you have put you finger on the problem. If we open the door a tiny crack for talented scientists, others want to open the doors for nonessential manicurists to take low skill jobs rather than poor Americans.

 

[TX-Beau]

Who says manicures are "nonessential?" I guarantee you it's not a "low skill job." You couldn't do it!

 

[Kulindahr]

Originally Posted by Benvolio
You lie. I am critical of all immigration except a few scientists and Doctors. And my biggest complaint is that they take jobs.

What about morticians?

Isn't it terrible that employers are able to find qualified employees? Our economy would be so much stronger if they couldn't fill those needs, right?

 

[Benvolio]

Isn't it terrible that employers are able to find qualified employees? Our economy would be so much stronger if they couldn't fill those needs, right?

the problem is that by pushing Americans aside you democrats are creating a permanent, poor unemployed underclass.

 

[TX-Beau]

LOL Kuli isn't a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Inadvertently, you have put you finger on the problem. If we open the door a tiny crack for talented scientists, others want to open the doors for nonessential manicurists to take low skill jobs rather than poor Americans.

So it's alright to fill the jobs Americans pursue higher education for, but not okay to fill the jobs Americans don't even want to take in the first place.

Makes total sense. That lawyer logic.

 

[Kulindahr]

LOL Kuli isn't a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination.

It was ben, right?

So it's alright to fill the jobs Americans pursue higher education for, but not okay to fill the jobs Americans don't even want to take in the first place.

Makes total sense. That lawyer logic.

I'd laugh but it's tragic. He opposes immigration that would actually mean more jobs for Americans.

He doesn't believe in the free market, he doesn't believe in individual liberty, he doesn't believe everyone should vote, he doesn't really believe this is a land of opportunity....

 

[Benvolio]

So it's alright to fill the jobs Americans pursue higher education for, but not okay to fill the jobs Americans don't even want to take in the first place.

Makes total sense. That lawyer logic.

There you go again. I said a few scientists and doctors so you think that means opening the door to all with a higher education. Next you will want to bring in violin students. You have convinced me. You are right. We need to slam the door tight.

 

[TX-Beau]

There you go again. I said a few scientists and doctors so you think that means opening the door to all with a higher education. Next you will want to bring in violin students. You have convinced me. You are right. We need to slam the door tight.

Shot across your bow Rolyo!

 

[xbuzzerx]

There you go again. I said a few scientists and doctors so you think that means opening the door to all with a higher education. Next you will want to bring in violin students. You have convinced me. You are right. We need to slam the door tight.

My great-grandparents came in as farmers, what were yours? Brain surgeons?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Shot across your bow Rolyo!

I know, right?

And the irony is I bet Rolyo is more of a lawyer than Ben is.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Oregon's "Driver's Card" idea -- brilliant, or foolish?

I know, right?

And the irony is I bet Rolyo is more of a lawyer than Ben is.

[gratuitous lawyer joke]Rolyo could examine my briefs[/gratuitous lawyer joke]

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My great-grandparents came in as farmers, what were yours? Brain surgeons?

My ancestors were JACOBITES!


FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!

Apparently not.

 

[mightbe]

There you go again. I said a few scientists and doctors so you think that means opening the door to all with a higher education. Next you will want to bring in violin students. You have convinced me. You are right. We need to slam the door tight.

Specialist jobs aren't bound to countries like skilled jobs (I consider specialist jobs a subset of the skilled jobs); a specialist, say an academic, an artist, an archaeologist etc. is a skilled worker that is not in universal demand, and is thus more apt to move to a job. They're not like accountants, plumbers, electricians, high school teachers or salespeople. They aren't in demand everywhere, so they move to a place where they would be in demand. That's the beautiful fluidity of the workforce; job candidates go to the job, wherever it may be. It's one of the best things the US has going for it; if you can't find a job here, go somewhere else. It's a natural component of a free market.

Specialist jobs are usually preceded by a specialist education (which means travel will probably be involved). I'm a musicology student. Do you have any idea how few schools offer programs in musicology? And of those which are the best? Of course not! It's a specialized area of study. I'm lucky that I only travelled 700 miles for my undergrad. And I have no idea where I'll be teaching, let alone where I'll finish my education up through PhD (though I have very certain preferences...). You can't put the same limitations on specialist positions as you do on most skilled professions.

 

[Kulindahr]

Specialist jobs aren't bound to countries like skilled jobs (I consider specialist jobs a subset of the skilled jobs); a specialist, say an academic, an artist, an archaeologist etc. is a skilled worker that is not in universal demand, and is thus more apt to move to a job. They're not like accountants, plumbers, electricians, high school teachers or salespeople. They aren't in demand everywhere, so they move to a place where they would be in demand. That's the beautiful fluidity of the workforce; job candidates go to the job, wherever it may be. It's one of the best things the US has going for it; if you can't find a job here, go somewhere else. It's a natural component of a free market.

Specialist jobs are usually preceded by a specialist education (which means travel will probably be involved). I'm a musicology student. Do you have any idea how few schools offer programs in musicology? And of those which are the best? Of course not! It's a specialized area of study. I'm lucky that I only travelled 700 miles for my undergrad. And I have no idea where I'll be teaching, let alone where I'll finish my education up through PhD (though I have very certain preferences...). You can't put the same limitations on specialist positions as you do on most skilled professions.

Ben doesn't believe in the free market, or even understand it. And he believes it's better to leave Americans without jobs just to keep immigrants out.

And we've really wandered from the driver's card notion.

 

[Benvolio]

Ben doesn't believe in the free market, or even understand it. And he believes it's better to leave Americans without jobs just to keep immigrants out.

And we've really wandered from the driver's card notion.

It is absurd to think that your ideosyncratic definition of " free markets" obligates us to committ economic and social suicide by throwing the door open to all 3 or 4 billion who would apparently like to come here. If you concede we should place limits, it ceases to be "free".