Own Children for Homosexual Couples?!

[Dusselgo]

Most people probably know this already, but further advance in the research of iPS cells may make it possible to extract sperm from a female body and an ovule from a male body, which means that a gay couple may be able to have their own child if they wanted to.
HOwever, right now the UN "recommends" not to pursue research in iPS cells because of the ethical issues that arise from it. they say that it can potentially make people live longer for a wrong purpose and risk the confidentiality of the DNA, a chest for info on an individual.
Personally, I think the "recommendation" by the UN is a bullshit.

.But...I want to know all your opinions. What do you think of this whole thing? Is it ethical to have this kind of technology? Or should it be promoted for the better of the world?
Also, if you are committed to a partner and wants a kid with him, would you want to use this medical technology to have a child who has the DNA of you and your partner?

ANy comment and/or opinion is appreciated. Thanks

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Knowing me, I'd probably go Mommy Dearest on the kid's ass at the drop of a pin, so no.

 

[anchihiro]

Erm so since when have women already had sperm and guys ovaries or whatever?
And how will this make you live longer? I'm confused and intrigued.

 

[yeahright1991]

Well. I would any child of mine to be a genetic match with someone I love. (I think thats only normal).

HOWEVER...with no successful attempts at it...I would be worried about the potential viability of the kid. If it could be proven to produce a "normal" child through such a process with an average life span and no major issues/medical problems that were out of the ordinary - I would go for it.

 

[mbamike]

I think if a gay couple can have their own child, then they should be allowed to do so.

 

[BearBoi]

with all the thousands upon thousands of children out there in need of homes, I eye roll at couples using surrogates as it is, much less tampering with the basic fundamentals of human evolution.

I know a woman who told her fiancé that adoption was out of the question, because she’d always feel like she was babysitting.

Her fiancé is adopted.

I find this both funny and educational. Some people just want their own offspring. They need them. Its biology. I agree that, logically, getting children in need loving homes should trump breeding more, but this aspect of procreation isn't just a numbers game. Gays can feel this need, too. Lesbian swans will mate with a male, then raise the chick with their same-sex partner, including sharing nesting duties.

 

[rareboy]

We would like our cat Emma to carry the baby for us.

What is ethical and what is not?

Conception and pregnancy are just mechanics of creating life, not life itself.

Ask Dr. Frankenshteen.

 

[sixthson]

I know a woman who told her fiancé that adoption was out of the question, because she’d always feel like she was babysitting.

Her fiancé is adopted.

What an awful thing for her to say and I hope he was offended, especially as someone who was adopted. With an attitude like hers, he might want to think long and hard before a lifetime committment to someone like that.

 

[BearBoi]

What an awful thing for her to say and I hope he was offended, especially as someone who was adopted. With an attitude like hers, he might want to think long and hard before a lifetime committment to someone like that.

She was saying it in a joking way, and we all chuckled at the time. This was several years ago. They are happily married with 3 kids.

But the sentiment was serious on her part, and I do understand it to a point myself.

He was not offended, because he later told me that he wanted 'his own' himself.

Like I said, these are not bad people. They are just not built for adoptive parenting. You know, some species of animal do have adoptive parenting systems, but there are few members that will take an adoptive young. I think it takes a special kind of person to be an adoptive parent, and perhaps it is unfair to compare them to biological parents. They are their own special thing.

 

[Dusselgo]

To anchihiro: well, the iPS cells are capable of restructuring a wide range of organs, so say if one needs a new heart one can replace the one he already has by creating one with an iPS cell. SOOO... by replacing your organs with new ones as you get older, one can potentially achieve a longer lifespan, which some claim to be unethical and unnatural.
About the sperm and ovary thing: no men dont have ovaries nor women sperms, but by using iPS cells they can create sperms of a woman and ovaries of a man.

The only problem is that this very amazing technology is like a road to Brave New World with humans created in mass production. The thing is, with iPS cells, one could possibly create clones or twins. Therefore, one can also do a thing like creating your own twin to somehow extract your memory before you die replace your twin's memory with yours and be young and alive again. So, hypothetically, one can achieve immortality.

Some say this will be a nightmare for the whole universe. the technology that will lead us to the destruction of human race. The UN is recommending not to do thie research of iPS cells for that reason.
Countries that still support iPS reasearch do this because it has lots of potential. It can be used to cure the uncurables. Any kind of cancer will be cured if this cell can replace any organ.
Also, with things like organ transplant. There are lots of human right issues going on wight now about whether it is right and the human trafficking involing young children exist as well.
The iPS cells can solve a lot of problems but will cause a rise to new problems.

 

[justsimon]

While I think it would be great to have a little one who looks like me, I can't imaging caring more deeply for anyone than I already do for my non-biological daughter. Biology is just a technicality.

 

[Musik2400]

If it was plausible, and I could afford it, I would definitely want a child made up of mine and my partner's DNA. Hell, if there were proper advancements, I'd carry it myself lolol

 

[Dusselgo]

WaGWaG: you say that it is better to spend the money that would go for this kind of reserach for children that exist already, but idk if you know but many kids in developing countries will be saved from human trafficking for organ transplant if the research for this technology improves and becomes possibly for human application.

As for the article to validate what i am saying, I could give a link to a scientific journal but you would probably not understand much because the article is mostly filled with scientific terms. but here it is:

I tried to find like a magazine article or sth easy to understand but no luck so yeah.

 

[yummylongsword]

I've thought about having kids in the future, and it frightens me a little bit to know that I won't be having my own child, and I never know what an adopted baby might be like.

If I were to have children with a woman, I would know they'd look somewhat like me (and my wife) and that they'd be fairly intelligent; of course you can never know exactly, but genes do play a big part. Everyone in my family is above average intelligence, and I'm happy to say that we're a good looking bunch for the most part. I'm scared to death that I would adopt a baby that would grow up to be really unattractive or unintelligent; I would love them the same, but I want my child to be successful and the only way to be totally sure is to have one yourself.

Of course there are all sorts of other issues that could arise having your own child, and an adopted child might turn out to be wonderful, smart and talented. It's the not knowing that scares me.

 

[RaKroma]

At this point in life, I'll worry about first finding a sane guy who is into stable relationships that can turn into a normal marriage before I worry about designer babies with both daddies' DNA in it. I don't want to end up on the gay version of Maury Povich show or Jerry Springer after a week of our marriage.

 

[sixthson]

Some people really shouldn't be parents.

 

[hungrybrownbear]

I've thought about having kids in the future, and it frightens me a little bit to know that I won't be having my own child, and I never know what an adopted baby might be like.

If I were to have children with a woman, I would know they'd look somewhat like me (and my wife) and that they'd be fairly intelligent; of course you can never know exactly, but genes do play a big part. Everyone in my family is above average intelligence, and I'm happy to say that we're a good looking bunch for the most part. I'm scared to death that I would adopt a baby that would grow up to be really unattractive or unintelligent; I would love them the same, but I want my child to be successful and the only way to be totally sure is to have one yourself.

Of course there are all sorts of other issues that could arise having your own child, and an adopted child might turn out to be wonderful, smart and talented. It's the not knowing that scares me.

That's not narcissistic at all. Not one bit.

I'm glad you have full faith in your parenting skills (since you seem to ignore the fact that how children turn is contingent on parenting skills) but you're obviously out of the loop when it comes to how children are raised. I worry for anyone who is measured by your definition of success, good looks, or intelligence. I hope you never have children.

 

[yummylongsword]

That's not narcissistic at all. Not one bit.

I'm glad you have full faith in your parenting skills (since you seem to ignore the fact that how children turn is mostly based on the parents) but you're obviously out of the loop when it comes to how children are raised. I worry for anyone who is measured by your definition of success, looks, or intelligence. I hope you never have children.

How children are raised and what their genes are like are completely different concepts. It's a basic fact a person's own children will be similar to themselves; they'll look similar, they'll have similar intelligence, they'll probably even have a similar personality. How much of that is genes and how much is parenting, no one can really know. But I KNOW that if I have my own children, that everything good and bad that results comes directly from me and my parenting. If I have someone else's child... I would never know how much of that child is my own raising them, and how much is just who their birth parents were.

I guess the first way I put it came off badly, but it still stands. I would want to take full and total responsibility for how my child looked and acted, and not have the doubt in my mind "How would they have turned out if their real parents had raised them?"

 

[sixthson]

"How would they have turned out if their real parents had raised them?"

You are young and stupid. More stupid than young.

Sharing a common DNA does not make for a happy, successful family. DNA does not make anyone a good parent. Love does that.

Adoptive parents are real parents, just so you know.

You will outgrow your youth. Let's hope you outgrow your ignorance, as well.

 

[yummylongsword]

You are young and stupid. More stupid than young.

Sharing a common DNA does not make for a happy, successful family. DNA does not make anyone a good parent. Love does that.

Adoptive parents are real parents, just so you know.

You will outgrow your youth. Let's hope you outgrow your ignorance, as well.

I'll give you young, but I am neither stupid nor ignorant.

I'm not saying that adoptive parents aren't "real" parents and I'm not saying that sharing DNA makes you a good parent, you fucking moron. I never said anything like that. I'm not afraid my kid would turn out retarded or ugly or something, that could happen just as easily with my own children and I would love them just the same anyway.

I'm saying that I'm afraid I might FEEL like I wasn't a true parent, even though I would know that I was. I'm just afraid that however they did turn out, I would always have a doubt in the back of my mind going "it wasn't really you that made them who they are!" Of course I KNOW that their genes probably have a negligible impact on their development, but I might still FEEL that way, and that has nothing to do with what I KNOW to be true.