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OWS Wearing Thin on the 99%

chance1

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A new national survey from Public Policy Polling (D) finds public opinion souring pretty quickly on the Occupy Wall Street movement.

The poll asked: “Do you support or oppose the goals of the
Occupy Wall Street movement?” The result was only 33% support, to 45% opposed.

And the Tea Party is MORE popular than OWS - wow !!!!

The result: Tea Party 43%, Occupy Wall Street 37%.

Now I've been saying for sometime now that while the INTENT is good - their behavior has been counter productive

Hmmmmm - what now???

My guess is that CE+P'ers who lick the balls of OWS will pretend this poll is inaccurate or doesn't exist or was paid for by the Koch Bros. or ..........

they'll just put their heads in the sand

or perhaps they'll blame the former President Bush or Sarah Palin or maybe Newt Gingrich

LOL

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...pinion-turning-against-occupy-wall-street.php
 
chance1 said:
My guess is that CE+P'ers who lick the balls of OWS will pretend this poll is inaccurate or doesn't exist or was paid for by the Koch Bros. or ..........

they'll just put their heads in the sand

or perhaps they'll blame the former President Bush or Sarah Palin or maybe Newt Gingrich

LOL
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That open apology of yours to other CE & P'ers for being "mean spirited" must be starting to wear thin, too. More dental issues?
 
Oh come now spiff? That is just the nature of political posting.... nothing mean at all... just honest perspective from his POV.
 
Chance1 is an openly gay conservative. I don't see why Chance1 needs to hold back his criticism of liberals or Democrats. Most of the posters on JUB don't hold back their criticism of conservatives or Republicans either.
 
Spiff said:
That open apology of yours to other CE & P'ers for being "mean spirited" must be starting to wear thin, too. More dental issues?
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JayHawk said:
Oh come now spiff? That is just the nature of political posting.... nothing mean at all... just honest perspective from his POV.
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I prefer the 2nd perspective ;)

Hey Spiff .......

don't mistake an apology for a surrender

as for my "dental issues" ........... better with room for improvement - getting a wisdom tooth removed next friday - thanks for asking
 
GiancarloC said:
He, and you, support a movement that hates gay people and wants to pass laws that discriminate against gay people. Why should some hold back on their criticism of chance and other gay "conservatives"?

And it's simple posting one single poll and stating that it represents public opinion.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-11-21/occupy-wall-street-poll/51338920/1

Yet another poll shows that 6 in 10 Americans still don't know enough about the movement. I think people in this country are simply lazy.

My guess is Chance will come up with another haiku on how my post is false and doesn't make any sense... when his starting post seems to be rambling.

What is so counterproductive about their behavior?
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so your response to the poll is ?????

that the american public is ....... lazy?

if they supported OWS would they be lazy?

I doubt it

as for "counterproductive" I mean that their actions do not support their message - they are making life miserable for their "own" the 99% who want their parks back and the noise down and their commutes not ruined and the storeowners want to sell their items to make a living


try try again
 
GiancarloC said:
I responded with another poll that shows a majority of people don't have a clue what's going on, and don't seem to follow. It's sad. And what is your response to my post? Besides another rambling haiku? I'm starting to get irritated at your almost predictable responses. What is your response to the poll I posted which hasn't changed in over a month?

So instead of posting outlier polls like you do (to attract attention), why not address the real issues? You take one poll, and go off on some rant. I'm not really ranting about the results from the poll I posted. That's not even the point here. OWS is actually quite successful in attracting attention to real world issues that conservatives like you don't care about and ignore.

No, you try again.
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your response to a poll is another poll? ;)

OWS is primarily in big cities so it's no wonder that some may not have all the facts or even know the issues - they're busy leading their 99% lives you know - not a crime - it's called life

there's my opinion on your poll - i'm not shocked

the point is as this thing goes on ......... it gets worse ....... not better

people in NYC like that they got their park back btw

sorry you're "irritated" but perhaps that's more your prob than mine
 
GiancarloC said:
And what was the point of your thread then besides trying to raise another ruckus in CE&P?



It's called life? It doesn't take too much of the day to read the news and follow what is going on. I work for a living, but I also keep up to date with the issues in the world.



I'm irritated because you never make a point about any substantial real world issue.
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raise a ruckus? when this place is 24/7 how wonderful OWS is? sorry - one thread about how the american public really feels about 24/7 isn't a ruckus it's a REQUIREMENT

it's grand that YOU'RE up on OWS and that you work and read and have an opinion about everything if not understanding ......... classifying those who don't know about OWS as "lazy" I would suggest is intellectually lazy

OWS according to CE+P is a very popular cause .......

this suggests otherwise

that's NOT a ruckus
it's SUBSTANTIAL

hope that clears it up :wave:
 
JayHawk said:
Oh come now spiff? That is just the nature of political posting.... nothing mean at all... just honest perspective from his POV.
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Actually I rarely find him any more "mean spirited" than most anyone else here. He's the one who said in his open apology thread that he was being too mean spirited. I don't know how he defines being mean spirited, but I have seen people here be much more mean than him. Anyway, I really don't care, and don't think his open apology was even necessary. I just thought his tone in his OP was sorta funny being a tad contrary to what he said in his open apology. I don't think calling a bunch of posters OWS ball-lickers was meant as a compliment about their testicle sucking skills.
 
well it depends on whose testicles are being licked. I think it is funny on here. Despite and mean intent. If you have a different POV then you have an agenda. Or you just don't get it (Said in best condescending voice)

The funny thing is I have and will continue to come in here and admit I was wrong when something plays out not in the way I had speculated in a JUB thread. Yet I rarely if ever see other JUBbers doing this. They just go on and wait for the next headline to make a semi valid point.

Chance just provides perspective and a slight or two to get the blood flowing. If you read reuters and the AP daily and then see what is posted in the CEP threads you would think half the world didnt exist. SO i dont mind the alternate view even if provided in snarky fashion.

Oh and BTW I didnt think an apology thread was required. Methinks Monsieur chance was attempting to defuse the heated positions. In the past a apology thread was then followed by concessions by most of the vocal and heated JUBbers... in his everyone said "Thanks Chance. You were being an ass".... lol. That is definitely indicative of the changed attitude of CEPers.
 
Time just had an article in their print edition on the 'Return of the Silent Majority'. The writer took a tour across America getting a feeling for the population on current politics. What he found is most Americans are tired of BOTH the Tea Party and OWS. They are tired of the polarized politics and us vs them parties. They want their government to work to deal with the problems and to make reasonable compromises to accomplish that.

The polls have been telling us for years that most Americans are Center Right in their political viewpoint. What the Republicans are ignoring is the 'center' part and the Democrats the 'right' part. Neither party is currently in touch with the mainstream of America.
 
Thanks for the comments and a better understanding of wisdom teeth and their potential perils,Nomenclature..

My only experience with them are when I was MUCH younger.A couple of guys I was in the Army with suffered what seemed to be excruciating pain with them..

Like I said,I just never heard of grown adults dealing with them.I never had any problems with mine..

Guess I was lucky.Seems like they can be a real motherfucker if they feel like it..
 
History will be the judge of OWS and the Tea Party movement. If I had to bet, I would bet that history will be far kinder to OWS and will see it as by far the more positive social movement.

Can anyone here name a right-wing or conservative social movement that history judges well. Generally, conservative social movements are reactionary and seek to restrict rights or further the power and privileges of the wealthy and powerful elements in this country. Think of the Temperance Movement, which ultimately succeeded in banning alcohol, Carrie Nation breaking up taverns with her ax. The Know Nothing Party, a nativist movement, organized in opposition to Catholic immigrants. The Ku Klux Klan, what more needs to be said about them? The modern militia movement.

On the other hand, every important and positive change in this country was brought about by left wing or progressive social movements that challenged the status quo. Think of the Labor Movement, Civil Rights Movement, Women's Movement, Progressive Movement, Gay Rights Movement, Environmental Movement, Abolitionist Movement, Women's Suffrage Movement, Reproductive Rights, etc.

The list of progressive social movements that brought about positive social change in this country is huge. On the other hand, I cannot think of a single conservative or moderate social movement that brought about positive social change.

I've made this point before, which my Conservative, JUB brothers have never challenged. But conservatives react to social change by trying to preserve the status quo, however failed it may be. Today's conservatives are reactionary, in that they not only are not willing to conserve, they want to roll back generations of social gains to bring us back to an uglier past.
 
^ as usual very well written and passionate

Palemate - if you're not already you should go down there and get involved with the leadership

I think there's a big diff between:

civil rights - rights for minorities
women's rights
gay rights
union rights

AND OWS

big diff IMO

I applaud your passion but I think you're giving this group far too much credit

one is a basic civil right- rights that are being violated with status quo

this is not that

there is no excuse for lawlessness on THIS - i would have much more leash on those whose basic civil rights are being abused - i guess that is the primary diff between you and i on this issue
now for white eagle ....... who seems to dislike my sources

DAILY KOS

is on board with how problematic public "support" for OWS is

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/16/1037042/-Support-for-Occupy-Wall-Street-drops-innewpoll

read it and weep as they say
 
chance1 said:
^ as usual very well written and passionate

Palemate - if you're not already you should go down there and get involved with the leadership

I think there's a big diff between:

civil rights - rights for minorities
women's rights
gay rights
union rights

AND OWS

big diff IMO

I applaud your passion but I think you're giving this group far too much credit

one is a basic civil right- rights that are being violated with status quo

this is not that

there is no excuse for lawlessness on THIS - i would have much more leash on those whose basic civil rights are being abused - i guess that is the primary diff between you and i on this issue
now for white eagle ....... who seems to dislike my sources

DAILY KOS

is on board with how problematic public "support" for OWS is

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/16/1037042/-Support-for-Occupy-Wall-Street-drops-innewpoll

read it and weep as they say
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This topic is a Neocon wet dream. :rolleyes:
 
chance1 said:
^ as usual very well written and passionate

Palemate - if you're not already you should go down there and get involved with the leadership

I think there's a big diff between:

civil rights - rights for minorities
women's rights
gay rights
union rights

AND OWS

big diff IMO

I applaud your passion but I think you're giving this group far too much credit

one is a basic civil right- rights that are being violated with status quo

this is not that

there is no excuse for lawlessness on THIS - i would have much more leash on those whose basic civil rights are being abused - i guess that is the primary diff between you and i on this issue
now for white eagle ....... who seems to dislike my sources

DAILY KOS

is on board with how problematic public "support" for OWS is

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/16/1037042/-Support-for-Occupy-Wall-Street-drops-innewpoll

read it and weep as they say
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I have been down there. I'm not sure they needed a middle-aged lawyer to lead them.

The movement is only a couple of months old. It may peter out or grow. I don't know. What the OWS is protesting, though, is central to the health of our democracy and our country. That it is still leaderless and a bit inchoate is besides the point.

Other movements, especially the labor movement and civil rights movement, did not start with strong public support. Those movements were attacked, subjected to terrible violence, jailings, police brutality, agents provocateurs. Support grew strongly and steadily.

There were individuals who, in the names of those movements (especially the labor movement), engaged in violence and unlawful activity. While some of those actions dealt the movements set backs, they did not derail the movement or diminish the high regard that those movements are held.

However, all of the movements I cited built on the movement that came before it, or occurred concurrently with it, and expanded the rights of our citizens. OWS can operate without fear of private militias gunning them down because of the victories of the labor movement. OWS members don't have to worry about the local police or elected officials murdering them because the violence and murder inflicted on civil rights workers brought about a change in federal law and public consciousness.

Unfortunately, there our public officials, like Mayor Bloomberg, are still too tolerant of police brutality and misconduct.
 
palemale said:
I have been down there. I'm not sure they needed a middle-aged lawyer to lead them.

The movement is only a couple of months old. It may peter out or grow. I don't know. What the OWS is protesting, though, is central to the health of our democracy and our country. That it is still leaderless and a bit inchoate is besides the point.

Other movements, especially the labor movement and civil rights movement, did not start with strong public support. Those movements were attacked, subjected to terrible violence, jailings, police brutality, agents provocateurs. Support grew strongly and steadily.

There were individuals who, in the names of those movements (especially the labor movement), engaged in violence and unlawful activity. While some of those actions dealt the movements set backs, they did not derail the movement or diminish the high regard that those movements are held.

However, all of the movements I cited built on the movement that came before it, or occurred concurrently with it, and expanded the rights of our citizens. OWS can operate without fear of private militias gunning them down because of the victories of the labor movement. OWS members don't have to worry about the local police or elected officials murdering them because the violence and murder inflicted on civil rights workers brought about a change in federal law and public consciousness.

Unfortunately, there our public officials, like Mayor Bloomberg, are still too tolerant of police brutality and misconduct.
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I think you underestimate yourself

You seem middle aged in age only ;)

Not sure that I am making the connection between those movements and this - perhaps that is my inability to link the two

I'm picturing Jack Nicholson and Danny DeVito in "Hoffa" ;)



and I appreciate not only your posting style but substance ............

save for "Bloomberg is a scumbag" ;)
 
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