paranoia and homophobia in the so-called 'truther' movement about the 'GAY AGENDA'

[ludolfo]

Since especially the 9/11 attacks, and getting onto the internet, I was willy willy drawn into the alternative investigations of the 9/11 attacks, and also into other questioning of official narratives put out by politicians, the corporations, and their media

I could dig what some 'truthers' were saying. it made sense, and I felt a certain camaraderie. HOWEVER failry resently I have been witness to homophobia coming from certain of these people--call them 'truthers'--who make videos etc. Their argument is that--it goes like this: 'I am not homophobic, and have no problems with people in the LGBT community, and some of my best friends are gay...BUT, the media which is the puppet of the evil globalists is propagating a "Gay Agenda" whose purpose it is is to turn heterosexual males gay and/or feminize them, and the Feminists are trying mascualize women, and they are also trying to turn children and adults into transgendered androgynous people. And they will do these videos showing things in the media and film and mags etc supposedly proving their point. They again and again will cream they are not being homophobic pointing this out, and some swear that their gay friends agree with them. One person who posted under one of the videos claimed to be gay and agreed with what they are saying.

I have asked these people if they agree then with what is happening in Russia. it is the very same muddled and very dangerous idea they are disseminating. On one hand the power elite in Russia claim to have nothing against people in the LGBT community and then with the other hand write into law the 'Gay propaganda Law' which forbids gay people being able to have contact with children because of fear they will 'corrupt' them. This law has and is causing TERRIBLE situation for LGTB people there who are being excluded, persecuted, violently assaulted and even murdered!

So I am asking people here what they think about all of this?

 

[vidarr]

What is that aim of "The Gay Agenda" turning kids, men, women androgynous?
Is this another "gays are threatening the family unit" argument?

Because gay families AND metrosexual straight guys/women have been around for a while and nothing seems to be wrong there.

The "truthers" sound like a nuttier offshoot of the tea party who hates everything the government ever did or will do..

 

[AgisMole]

I could dig what some 'truthers' were saying.

(the mole nature is strong in that )

But we could say there is nothing new under the sun though ludo
How much time separates Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King/Malcolm X?
Nearly exactly a whole century right?

 

[Stardreamer]

Truthers predate the Tea Party. They are convinced that the disaster of 911 was an orchestrated event not by a group of terrorists but by some powerful force, usually the government. They never quite are able to articulate what that mysterious force is or its objectives, they just latch onto little inconsistencies and coincidences that occur in any large scale event to show that there MUST be something to it. The movement is like the Tea Party in that nutters naturally are drawn to such groups and bring along their own prejudices and insanity with them so its no surprise that homophobic fears of the 'gay agenda' would find a home in the movement just like it did in the Tea Party.

 

[ludolfo]

Truthers predate the Tea Party. They are convinced that the disaster of 911 was an orchestrated event not by a group of terrorists but by some powerful force, usually the government. They never quite are able to articulate what that mysterious force is or its objectives, they just latch onto little inconsistencies and coincidences that occur in any large scale event to show that there MUST be something to it. The movement is like the Tea Party in that nutters naturally are drawn to such groups and bring along their own prejudices and insanity with them so its no surprise that homophobic fears of the 'gay agenda' would find a home in the movement just like it did in the Tea Party.

LOL, OMG, no no no. You are very wrong. I am not someone who has just dipped their little pinky into the truth movement, I have dived full in and been on this for years, and have seen LOTS and LOTS of evidence which tears shreds (though it is so full of holes already) out of the absurd ludicrous official BS story you have seemed to fall for hook line and sinker. But this thread isn't really about that. it is about me being disillusioned and offended as a gay person when members who share my insights in how 9/11 was false flag seem now to be going on about a 'gay agenda' perpetuated by the globalists and their mass media

Just to say it also seems very controversial to try and discuss 9/11 here at JUS forums, especially if israel and Zionism are mentioned--which they HAVE to be! When I tried in its political forum last year I was immediately censored!

 

[Mitchymo]

LOL, OMG, no no no. You are very wrong. I am not someone who has just dipped their little pinky into the truth movement, I have dived full in and been on this for years, and have seen LOTS and LOTS of evidence which tears shreds (though it is so full of holes already) out of the absurd ludicrous official BS story you have seemed to fall for hook line and sinker. But this thread isn't really about that. it is about me being disillusioned and offended as a gay person when members who share my insights in how 9/11 was false flag seem now to be going on about a 'gay agenda' perpetuated by the globalists and their mass media

Just to say it also seems very controversial to try and discuss 9/11 here at JUS forums, especially if israel and Zionism are mentioned--which they HAVE to be! When I tried in its political forum last year I was immediately censored!

Being someone who is currently dipping their toe into 'alternative news', i can see a whole lot of 'coincidences' in the connections of people, organizations and current affairs that looks quite frankly miraculous that some events which have occurred can possibly be as reported in mainstream media. Added to that the admissions of governments who have at least once participated in false flag attacks, including the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, Israel, Indonesia, Liberia, South Africa to name a few, it certainly changes the way you think about what you hear on the news.
Having said this, and i too have encountered information which implies that gay rights are being used to further an insidious end to humanity, or at least the depopulation of it, i think its worth remembering that this 'truther' community is very likely to be as diverse as society as a whole, and so there WILL be christians and other religious types who are reading their own narrative into what they see is happening. Always remember that whatever conspiracy may be out there, science is our friend, and science has helped advance gay rights, not a secret elite who want to take the opportunity to use it to 'depopulize' by encouraging homosexuality, since that don't really work, or to use is as a divisive tool between the West and those of more religious geographies who we want to start a fight with so we can go in and get their stuff. You know what i mean.

I always take a pinch of salt approach, sometimes conspiracies turn out to be in fact truth. Sometimes, its quite laughable as to how conspiracies are born to begin with and where there seems to be no proof whatsoever to back up the claims (lizards ruling the world looking like people).

The biggest conspiracy theory i am reading at the moment involves a paedophile ring in the UK government. It certainly makes for an interesting read, and the connections that exist between people and places etc looks dodgy as hell. At least certain elements are being probed by police at the moment. A former prime minister Edward Heath, being investigated by multiple police forces. It all suggests a massive cover up in the 70s to 90s. But pinch of salt, always. What transpires will either be a huge news story or a continuation of the conspiracy if it is to be believed, or just a true conspiracy with no truth actually.

I'm not gonna let theorists ruin my sense of identity, however interesting their evidence on other things may be, cos its not provable until its mainstream....and then of course, it can't be trusted lol. You may as just stop paying attention to the news altogether. Not me, i quite like having multiple sources, mainstream and alternative.

 

[Brian Smith]

I think this should be treated seriously. The problem is that, when these rumor-mill conspiracies start taking root, it's hard to dislodge them.

The grain of truth in there is this: we do know that encouraging young women to feel empowered improves their academic and life achievement, and it reduces unplanned pregnancies. This isn't clearly "masculinization," but some people might interpret it as such. It's really an ongoing effort to make sure that the children we are having will have plenty to eat and a safe place to grow up.

Furthermore, we are trying to dial-back machismo culture, which is actually dangerous to young men, including heterosexual men and women, who are not as readily able to defend themselves in such an environment. Far from being just about LGBTQ issues, it's also about making our schools safe, including for young people who suffer from disabilities. Furthermore, machismo culture, in its excesses, is dangerous for those who participate in it. When we criticize the excesses of machismo culture, this is why, not because we want to turn men into women.

In a sense, there is a seeming of validity in the idea of a "gay conspiracy to make everyone androgynous," but LGBTQ activists are very open about these things. Nobody is hiding anything at all. It is out there in plain sight. We talk about these things very clearly and plainly. You can explain every single grain of truth in these conspiracies simply by taking LGBTQ activists at face-value.

As far as "breaking down the family," again, take people at face value, and you will be much less confused. What feminists mean by women being "independent" is precisely that women can choose to enter marriages that are based on love and having something in common with their partners, rather than entering "marriages of convenience." Women being "independent" means precisely what it sounds like it means. It means that, if you are a man, you have to win your future wife over by being intelligent, interesting, moral, and authentically cool. It's not enough just to have a job and a car anymore. If you're not up to it, then go ahead and complain, but we're not keeping any fucking secrets from you.

Chasing trails of perceived bread-crumbs into the howling wilderness of alternative media will only lead to you being eaten by a grue.

 

[TX-Beau]

All of this looks to me like pretty much your standard bigot's panic when they realize their prejudice isn't going to be tolerated anymore.

 

[ludolfo]

Most of them if not all aren't aware of patriarchal mythology where three prejudices always seem to be together, sexism, racism, and homophobia and of course you can add classism
The white (and black. Many African countries are VERY homophobic, and there's Jamaica, and Hip Hop, Rap) 'heterosexual male is fearing getting swallowed up by the big nasty LGBT serpent and losing HIS sense of identity, and property o'course!

 

[Telstra]

about "gay agenda",
someone should hunt down Scott Lively. Where is he now ?
Wikki says nothing about his personal life. Does he has a partner or kids ??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively

 

[ludolfo]

Yes you have just jogged my memory. he featured in a documentar I saw about homophobia where he had agreed to give an interview. if I remember right it was BBC's Panorama about the Russian 'Gay Propaganda' law. He would not accept responsibility, as they do! if I find the docu. I will post it here.

 

[Telstra]

Yes you have just jogged my memory. he featured in a documentar I saw about homophobia where he had agreed to give an interview. if I remember right it was BBC's Panorama about the Russian 'Gay Propaganda' law. He would not accept responsibility, as they do! if I find the docu. I will post it here.

Scott Lively spread hate in Russia:

 

[ludolfo]

it just disgusts me. it is all fabricated to fit in with the Russian law of 'gay propaganda' and how children must not be corrupted. Sooo, what story does this man recount? A gay man exposing himself where there are children. SO obvious. And then they all laugh when he says the gay man was killed from violence, humiliated with pants down. And he doesn't want us dead he wants us saved. Pass me the sick bucket! Saved meaning like him and these vile people? I would sooner be damned!

 

[ludolfo]

what racists and sexists, and homophobics, and classists hate is ambiguity as do all patriarchal thinkers, and this includes christian believers. This is why the serious study of mythology is very fruitful, because you discover things like how christians ripped off the ideas of pagan gods and created their own dualistic versions. So for example they took the mythical pagan Horned God and turned him into their 'Devil' who was totally 'evil', ie., no ambiguity. And they took the pagan god Dionysos and split his ambiguous nature into 'good-Jesus' and 'evil-Devil'. As soon as they do this they simultaneously demon-ize animals, one's own 'animalistic' nature and the whole of the natural world. Their spirits have to be 'good angels' or 'evil demons/spirits'. There is no understanding of ambiguity

ambiguity (n.) Look up ambiguity at Dictionary.com
c. 1400, "uncertainty, doubt, indecision, hesitation," also from Medieval Latin ambiguitatem (nominative ambiguitas) "double meaning, equivocalness, double sense," noun of state from ambiguus (see ambiguous).

So for the homophobic__a 'man' has to be a man, and a 'woman' has to be a woman. A 'homosexual' is a homosexual, and a 'heterosexual' is a heterosexual

For the racist there can be no mingling of the 'races' creating people they cannot label 'black' or 'white'

 

[ludolfo]

wasn't sure where to post this video because it talks to all the current thread's questions, but I choce this one because he mentions that once his whole JW church found out he was gay they did the 'Gay's spread disease' propaganda like what those who push the 'gay agenda' claim. It is a great inspiring video and makes me proud to be gay!

 

[bankside]

ludolfo it is surprising that you can recognise the paranoia in these people without gaining any insight into the fundamental gullibility of being taken in by "truther" conspiracy theories.

 

[ludolfo]

ludolfo it is surprising that you can recognise the paranoia in these people without gaining any insight into the fundamental gullibility of being taken in by "truther" conspiracy theories.

So you don't believe conspiracies exist, is that it?

 

[bankside]

So you don't believe conspiracies exist, is that it?

Oh, conspiracies exist, but so do conspiracy theories, many of which are just bunk, especially when they live on in groups of people with a higher than average level of paranoia.

I'm a big fan of Hanlon's Razor too.

 

[TX-Beau]

Oh, conspiracies exist, but so do conspiracy theories, many of which are just bunk, especially when they live on in groups of people with a higher than average level of paranoia.

I'm a big fan of Hanlon's Razor too.

It's religionist thinking D) you can't disprove it so it must be true...

 

[ludolfo]

Oh, conspiracies exist, but so do conspiracy theories, many of which are just bunk,

two questions: How do you expect to investigate a possible conspiracy unless you theorize?

And you say 'not many'? Not all? So you are saying some could be true?