paranoia and homophobia in the so-called 'truther' movement about the 'GAY AGENDA'

[opinterph]

Do not derail and hijack my thread with your pernicious racist, and utterly misinformed posts.

I think this thread would be derailed by any additional discussion about 9/11.

As I said in a previous post in this thread, when I tried to discuss about this in the politics forum, I was immediately warned, and the thread was shut down! Why?

Re: (9/11 and Living a Lie​

I also think it would be best to discuss political issues relating to Israel, Hamas, Palestine, etc in CE&P – unless there is a direct correlation between politics and the Gay Agenda topic in this thread.

Who here believes the official story of 9/11 is reality?
I looked through a bit of the list here and haven't seen one thread mention the 9/11 attacks …

The thread linked below may present elements to members interested in the 9/11 conspiracy concept:

Re: America...I must talk about it.​

 

[Mariatenebre]

Given where Palestine lies, i find that quite hard to believe in all honesty. I'm far more inclined to believe that the Palestinian authority is a puppet government. Hamas is funded by outside forces. That part of the Middle East would be a lot more peaceful if it wasn't for the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia stirring shit up.
I don't believe the Palestinian people are so extreme as you make out. Bombing their children is not going to help, if anything, they will turn to the hatred that is the major factor in the threat to Israel.
Israel should do itself a favour, stop incursions on Palestinian land, give back land which it effectively stole, and stick to proportionate and targetted responses. Its not as if most Hamas rockets do anything other than land randomly in rural areas or get shot down. Israel would have wider support perhaps if it didn't keep fanning the flames, instead of seeking to extinguish them.

Hamas and most Islamic terror groups have ties to Wahabist ideology that is being spread world wide by Saudi Arabia. Also everything I have stated is true. It is well known that all over the Arab Islamic world Black people are owned as chattel. I mean hell Arabs have way more power and infrastructure in Africa then Europeans or Blacks combined and frequently cause genocides, slavery and colonization on the native Africans. Africans from the Islamic world all attest to this like Kola Boof, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mende Nazer, Francis Bok, Simon Deng etc. Everything I said about LGBT people is true as well Palestine is not a good place to be if you are gay.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Homosexuals_(Palestinian_Authorit y_area)

 

[Mitchymo]

Everything I said about LGBT people is true as well Palestine is not a good place to be if you are gay.

The issues do not have to be conflated do they?

Are we talking about the truther movement, who i agree tend to be right-wing, anti-semetic, gay hating, christians.....

...or Islam?

Treating ALL muslims as if they ALL support islamic extremism is wrong. Even if the majority of muslims DO hate the gay people, it doesn't justify an inhuman response.

You have to remember, that as unfriendly as Islam may be towards homosexuality, not ALL muslim nations behave like Iran. And we must also remember that gay people fair no better when ANY religion seems to dictate the law of the land.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Personally Mitchymo I don't like Islam anymore then Christianity. I personally hate all of the Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions. Also I have never said that all Muslims were evil however the Islamic nations under Shariah are hell holes. Also when it comes to truthers I have encountered just as many Muslim truthers. Usually they are just as anti semetic, anti feminist and anti gay as the Christians. In fact the two seem to have an alliance atleast based on my experiences on facebook. Now while I am against all forms of theocracy and am a secularist most non Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions are pretty cool with LGBT people and even have some LGBT Gods, heroes etc.

 

[ludolfo]

In our country, UK, the most horrible 'party' got into power DESPITE the knowledge they had persecuted all kinds of 'vulnerable' people such as those without work, the disabled, the 'mentally ill' and had cut so much money from the public purse making sure all of it has gone to London. When they were put back into power earlier this year I was extremely depressed. This was not because I naively think there is any realy choice in the political circus radically speaking, but that these shits were the very worst of the two evils. But I later found that old age pensioners were the largest group to vote them in. Why? because the Tory leader Cameron had promised them MORE MONEY. So thinking of their own sorry arses, and totally ignoring their other victims, many of whom have committed suicide from the abuse, and the taking away of their money, they helped put these vile greedy immoral people back into power!
So what is the moral of this story. JUST because 'Israel' is supposedly 'gay friendly' does NOT justify their rabid racism which has caused untold misery, maiming and death to other human beings, Palestinian (etc) men, women, children, babies. Innocent people in their OWN COUNTRY which the 'Israelis' have occupied!! [Text: Removed]

 

[TX-Beau]

Israel is responsible for what Israel has done - the good and the bad, just like Hamas is responsible for Hamas - good and bad. I've said it before, this situation continues because it profits neither Hamas or Israeli hardliners to stop it.

 

[Mariatenebre]

In our country, UK, the most horrible 'party' got into power DESPITE the knowledge they had persecuted all kinds of 'vulnerable' people such as those without work, the disabled, the 'mentally ill' and had cut so much money from the public purse making sure all of it has gone to London. When they were put back into power earlier this year I was extremely depressed. This was not because I naively think there is any realy choice in the political circus radically speaking, but that these shits were the very worst of the two evils. But I later found that old age pensioners were the largest group to vote them in. Why? because the Tory leader Cameron had promised them MORE MONEY. So thinking of their own sorry arses, and totally ignoring their other victims, many of whom have committed suicide from the abuse, and the taking away of their money, they helped put these vile greedy immoral people back into power!
So what is the moral of this story. JUST because 'Israel' is supposedly 'gay friendly' does NOT justify their rabid racism which has caused untold misery, maiming and death to other human beings, Palestinian (etc) men, women, children, babies. Innocent people in their OWN COUNTRY which the 'Israelis' have occupied!! [Text: Removed]

Actually Ludolfo Arabs in Israel live much better then in any Arab Muslim nation. The Palestinian situation is self created. They could have had their own nation 10 times over but were more concerned with jihad and killing Jews. Also Israel tends to avoid civilian casualties where as Palestinians revel in the deaths of civilians. The government glorifies and makes suicide bombers into heroes. Also considering that Palestinians own Black slaves and treat them in situations honestly worse then the Trans Atlantic slave trade I don't give two fucks about them. What is racist is that White Liberals care more for the silken haired, White Palestinians then the Black slaves suffering in the Arab world including Palestine.

http://www.womanist-musings.com/2010/04/kola-speaks-third-eye-report-israel-vs.html

Hell South Sudanese can't stand Arabs and Palestinians based on their real life occupation by Arabs. It is so funny Arab Muslims occupy over half of Africa and have more power and infrastructure then Europeans or Blacks combined and frequently cause genocides, slavery and colonization on the Africans and yet Muslims and Islamophiles have the nerve to be mad at Jews getting their land back.

 

[HoodedRat]

'Truthers' seem to almost always be religious ... usually Christian. That alone is enough explanation for their paranoia and homophobia.

 

[Mariatenebre]

'Truthers' seem to almost always be religious ... usually Christian. That alone is enough explanation for their paranoia and homophobia.

I have met just as many Muslim truthers as well. Pretty much every truther I have encountered as either been a Christian or a Muslim and has been anti gay, anti feminist, racist and anti Jewish. Even the non religious truthers are usually for instance Islamophiles and Christian and Muslim truthers seem to have an alliance online even though they truly hate each other.

 

[ludolfo]

Actually Ludolfo Arabs in Israel live much better then in any Arab Muslim nation. The Palestinian situation is self created. They could have had their own nation 10 times over but were more concerned with jihad and killing Jews. Also Israel tends to avoid civilian casualties where as Palestinians revel in the deaths of civilians. The government glorifies and makes suicide bombers into heroes. Also considering that Palestinians own Black slaves and treat them in situations honestly worse then the Trans Atlantic slave trade I don't give two fucks about them. What is racist is that White Liberals care more for the silken haired, White Palestinians then the Black slaves suffering in the Arab world including Palestine.

http://www.womanist-musings.com/2010/04/kola-speaks-third-eye-report-israel-vs.html

Hell South Sudanese can't stand Arabs and Palestinians based on their real life occupation by Arabs. It is so funny Arab Muslims occupy over half of Africa and have more power and infrastructure then Europeans or Blacks combined and frequently cause genocides, slavery and colonization on the Africans and yet Muslims and Islamophiles have the nerve to be mad at Jews getting their land back.

Your information it ludicrously false. But as I keep saying but you don't seem to hear. IF I was gonna go head to head with you on this, the actual subject this thread is supposed to be about will be totally de-railed. Understand? [Text: Removed] If however you choose to create a thread about this subject, I WILL go head to head with you.

 

[ludolfo]

'Truthers' seem to almost always be religious ... usually Christian. That alone is enough explanation for their paranoia and homophobia.

Ho hum. it depends what you mean by 'religious'. I am interested in truth, and exposing the false flag of 9/11, but I am not a Christian, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or New Age. I am more a Goddess pagan. I see the roots of all the insanity going on as patriarchal. I am also not paranoid or homophobic.

 

[ludolfo]

I have met just as many Muslim truthers as well. Pretty much every truther I have encountered as either been a Christian or a Muslim and has been anti gay, anti feminist, racist and anti Jewish. Even the non religious truthers are usually for instance Islamophiles and Christian and Muslim truthers seem to have an alliance online even though they truly hate each other.

Oh, so you haven't met any Jewish truthers, ey? As usual, your info is extremely limited and blinkered

AND you would know there's a difference between calling out Jewish people who follow the rabid racist Zionist political belief from being against ALL Jews. You would know that there exist many orthodox Jewish people who are against Zionist Israel. But they also most likely will be homophobic . What have you to say about this?

 

[TX-Beau]

Orthodox Jews are not exactly supporting of gay people.

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Or transsexuals.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Orthodox Jews are not exactly supporting of gay people.

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Or transsexuals.

I don't support Orthodox Jews either.

 

[TX-Beau]

It kind of makes sense that Israel would be preferable to the west over Arabs since so many of the people who founded Israel were culturally Europeans.

 

[TX-Beau]

...Actually Israel is preferable over the Arabs because they are secular, they treat Women, LGBT people and religious and racial minorities well for the most part. You don't have to be Western to be civilized. Japan is one of my favorite nations and they are Eastern and yet they don't act as savage as the Arab Muslims do.

Which was exactly the point, Israelis have a huge western influence coming out of Europe. I wonder what they would be like if they were truly still Semitic like their cousins the Arabs.

Japan was extremely savage until they lost to us. The only reason women in Japan don't still walk behind their husbands is because Americans forced change on them when they were in no position to resist.

I doubt very much you would appreciate being a traditional Japanese woman.

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Though I will say that the Japanese were never a homophobic culture like the Christian West.

 

[Jacquemar]

Though I will say that the Japanese were never a homophobic culture like the Christian West.

There's an extensive analysis of Japanese cultural attitudes towards homosexuality in the book HOMOSEXUALITY AND CIVILIZATION. If it's accurate, then they were a lot like the pre-Roman Greeks in many ways... until Western Christians showed up.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Which was exactly the point, Israelis have a huge western influence coming out of Europe. I wonder what they would be like if they were truly still Semitic like their cousins the Arabs.

Japan was extremely savage until they lost to us. The only reason women in Japan don't still walk behind their husbands is because Americans forced change on them when they were in no position to resist.

I doubt very much you would appreciate being a traditional Japanese woman.

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Though I will say that the Japanese were never a homophobic culture like the Christian West.

Well Japan did have certain moments in history where they were more Female friendly. However the status of Women varied greatly through out the age but they never had the equality they did now but they did have some pretty powerful Female rulers, Samurai, Ninja just to name a few. I believe one of the earliest rulers of Japan was the Witch Queen Himiko. They also were pretty equal in terms of religion as the Shinto religion allowed for Priestesses.

However no I would not like to be a traditional Japanese Woman. That being said with all of the bad stuff in Japan it no where near was as bad for Women or anyone else as in Islamic nations. Also you were correct Japan wasn't really homophobic at all in antiquity. Most people were still expected to marry and have children but marriage like in other places in the ancient world had little to do with love but was more of an exchange of property and a way to "bring honor to your family" to quote the movie Mulan. However aside from that both Men and Women alike were completely free to have lovers of the same sex Nobunage Oda for instance was married to the enigmatic Lady No but also had romantic relations with the youth Ranmaru Mori. Homophobic attitudes only really started seeping in with the introduction of Christianity and Westernization.

 

[Mariatenebre]

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No one ever said that Israel did not have a problem with racism however the racism there is minute in comparison to the Arab world and Israel has done much to aid Africa. Like for instance they helped establish South Sudan as a nation so they could fight back against the brutal Arab North. Kola Boof who has lived in Israel and the Arab world states that Israel is actually less racist then America and the kind of atrocities that Arabs do to Africans such as slavery, colonization and genocide are far worse then anything in Israel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-tinsley/arab-racism_b_951422.html

 

[ludolfo]

I am not talking about the 'Arab world' I am talking about Palestine, and Israel occupying palestine. You shout that they--the Jews you love--are not religious Jews-- who you do not like, but atheists? true? YET the whole thing about 'Israel' is connected with the Bible so they believe and promote. About 'God' promising them 'their land'. Of course the orthodox Jews say that the Zionists are total hypocrites and offend their 'God' because 'He' never meant them to do the evil they do, and persecute and commit war crime and genocide on Palestinians, and create an 'israel' like they have etc etc.

Go and tell those affected by the 'chosen people's racism it is 'minute'. OMG, have you suffered it? Where do you even live that you can even assert that?

here is Noam Chomsky's view:

“In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid,” Chomsky says, according to Days of Palestine. “To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by ‘apartheid’ you mean South African-style apartheid.

“What is happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There is a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce…

“The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just do not want them. They want them out, or at least in prison.”

He described listening to the American mainstream media, such as CBS, like listening directly to the Israeli propaganda agencies. “It is a shameful moment for US media when it insists on being subservient to the grotesque propaganda agencies of a violent, aggressive state [Israel],” he said.

Chomsky accused the United States of continuing to provide the decisive support for the [Israeli] atrocities against the Palestinians.

“When what is called Israeli jet planes bomb defenceless targets in Gaza, that is US jet planes with Israeli pilots,” he said. “And the same with the high-tech munition and so on and so forth. So this is, again, sadism masked as compassion. Those are the actions.”

In a long interview with Democracy now, Chomsky insisted that the US is a violent state and is it exporting violence to other countries like the Israeli occupation. source

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See when you talk about 'Israel', you have to talk about USA/Israel

Thre argument I see you behind goes like this: Palestine is gay un-friendly, because of its religion. This means that percecution of innocent men women and children, committing war crimes on them, blowing them up, taking over and smashing up their homes and driving them into a ghettos where we bomb them by a so-called gay-friendly occupation (though you won't see it as that) is alright because they are homophobic. This makes you blind to the terrible atrocities they do to human beings, including little children who don't even have a CHOICE about anything. they are kids! I cannot condone such a heartless worldview!