people still think you can give someone aids

[medic1]

Hey there Construct.
Thank you for your pm,s hope you received my responses and that they
were of some help to you .
Though i have to say that one of the jub team called Karabulut is by far
more experienced and knowlegable than me .
Though as i said hope i helped take care fella.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Are we sure our numbers are on the rise? If so, what demographic is that among? Gay men in general? White gay men? Gay men of color? Last I had read, HIV rates among gay/bisexual men were leveling off and it was black women whose numbers were sky-rocketing. This wasn't more than a year ago.

 

[Yves]

Are we sure our numbers are on the rise? If so, what demographic is that among? Gay men in general? White gay men? Gay men of color? Last I had read, HIV rates among gay/bisexual men were leveling off and it was black women whose numbers were sky-rocketing. This wasn't more than a year ago.

The evidence is clear. The numbers are on the rise. The Centers for Disease Control and researchers have identified populations/behaviors at risk. Low awareness of HIV status, stigma, lack of access to health care are one of many factors involved:

CDC Report: HIV among Gay, Bisexual and Other Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States, and MSM with a history of injection drug use (MSM-IDU) accounted for an additional 4% of new infections. At the end of 2006, more than half (53%) of all people living with HIV in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU. Since the beginning of the US epidemic, MSM have consistently represented the largest percentage of persons diagnosed with AIDS and persons with an AIDS diagnosis who have died.

(...)

Many MSM with HIV are unaware of their HIV infection, especially MSM of color and young MSM. A recent CDC study found that among urban MSM in 21 cities in 2008 who were unaware of their HIV infection, 55% had not been tested in the previous 12 months. Low awareness of HIV status among young MSM likely reflects several factors: they may have been infected more recently, may underestimate their personal risk, may have had fewer opportunities to get tested, or may believe that HIV treatment minimize the threat of HIV.

Some findings:

- In 2007, MSM were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women.

- Among all black MSM, there were more new HIV infections (52%) among young black MSM (aged 13–29 years) than any other racial or ethnic age group of MSM in 2006. The number of new infections among young black MSM was nearly twice that of young white MSM and more than twice that of young Hispanic/Latino MSM.

- Among all Hispanic/Latino MSM in 2006, the largest number of new infections (43%) occurred in the youngest age group (13–29 years), though a substantial number of new HIV infections (35%) were among those aged 30–39 years.

- Many MSM with HIV are unaware of their HIV infection, especially MSM of color and young MSM. A recent CDC study found that among urban MSM in 21 cities in 2008 who were unaware of their HIV infection, 55% had not been tested in the previous 12 months. Low awareness of HIV status among young MSM likely reflects several factors: they may have been infected more recently, may underestimate their personal risk, may have had fewer opportunities to get tested, or may believe that HIV treatment minimize the threat of HIV.

Check the PDF. Link:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/pdf/msm.pdf

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^I would take anything the CDC says with a grain of salt and an ounce of skepticism. They haven't always been honest with the government, let alone with the public. If you've got something solid from any other organization I'll be glad to give it a once-over.

 

[rareboy]

Hey there. Karen!

Too long.

Ignorance is the worst culprit in stopping the transmission of HIV and understanding what AIDS is and what it is not.

Unfortunately, I think the rise in cases is still in the young black population. Too much testosterone. Not enough foresight.

 

[construct]

medic1, is it still the case that the drug cocktails are tolerable for only about a third of the cases? Have advances been made that allows more people to benefit from such treatment?

Hey there Construct.
Thank you for your pm,s hope you received my responses and that they
were of some help to you .
Though i have to say that one of the jub team called Karabulut is by far
more experienced and knowlegable than me .
Though as i said hope i helped take care fella.

Yes, quite helpful. I hope you don't mind my telling. You informed me that there have been huge advances in drug treatments for HIV/AIDS over the past decade, and that the prospects for longer lives are a lot better. Thank you.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Unfortunately, I think the rise in cases is still in the young black population. Too much testosterone. Not enough foresight.

This is where we're finding discordance, I know I can't be the only one who had been hearing in recent years that new cases are mostly young black WOMEN, not young gay black men or young gay men period. I believe it was here on JUB that someone posted an article circa a year ago that said HIV rates for gay men are leveling out.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

What are you babbling about? You're either a gigantic moron for interpreting my post this way, or you think I'm a gigantic moron for "risking HIV because some carriers do not develop AIDS."



I'm not sexually active so I'm at zero risk. I suggest you re-read the post with a little more sensibility (or any at all) and stop trying to create in-betweens and subtexts, especially ones as ludicrous as me having unprotected sex because I'd, in your world, be just fine and dandy being HIV+ as long as it doesn't turn into AIDS. What part of that felt right when you were typing it?

So you are saying that you wouldn't mind having HIV as long as it doesn't develop into full blown AIDS?

Even though HIV destroys the immune system, killing of T cells as viral loads increase for the majority of people with it. Thats what it does, effectively to!

Research is focused on the fact that a person immune system with HIV ages 20 to 30 yrs during the first several years of infection.
Kidney, heart, and liver disease along with all cancers seem to take people out with HIV at a alarming rate compared to peers of the same age who are negative , but its not full blown AIDS and the associated HIV opportunistic illness /infections so that's cool enough, right?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

So you are saying that you wouldn't mind having HIV as long as it doesn't develop into full blown AIDS?

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying! What a smart, sensible, reasonable interpretation of this topic. Nothing gets by you Skipper!

Even though HIV destroys the immune system, killing of T cells as viral loads increase for the majority of people with it. Thats what it does, effectively to!

I dated someone who is HIV+ for 3 years. I went with him to every check-up. I adjusted our meals to cater to his nutritional needs and made sure he took his Epzicom and Sustiva on a daily basis. I know plenty about the disease.

Kidney, heart, and liver disease along with all cancers seem to take people out with HIV at a alarming rate compared to peers of the same age who are negative , but its not full blown AIDS and the associated HIV opportunistic illness /infections so that's cool enough, right?

Yeah. Right. Absolutely right.

Am I being punked or are you guys on barbituates? You SERIOUSLY thought this topic meant I'd be happy being positive as long as it doesn't develop into AIDS? I've read and re-read the original post and I still can't find a single way to connect the dots between that and your interpretation.

Next time you respond, give it AT LEAST four seconds of minimal thought. Just four seconds is all I ask. Four.

You can either take this as a complete, bold-faced lie or the truth, the purpose of this topic was my frustration that, 3 decades into this crisis, people still don't understand it even on a basic level. I'm concerned for my fellow mankind. But, wait, no, that can't possibly be it can it? Me thinking HIV is cool is a more reasonable translation.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Lack of HIV education has moved down my concern list, replaced with unparalleled, unbridled stupidity and lack of even the most basic common sense.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Anyone ever call you a asshole?
Yeah I already know the answer to this.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Anyone ever call you a asshole?
Yeah I already know the answer to this.

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever called me.

So I'm an asshole because people are creating these ludicrous imaginary subtexts here?

 

[landers]

Despite all the advancement we've made in drugs, HIV is still incurable. Sooner or later you WILL develop AIDS and die. I don't get hope people fail to understand that.

Technically that's not actually true. Heavy antivirals and a complete bone marrow replacement will get rid of HIV. Some people getting bone marrow transplants for cancer have been cured of HIV.

 

[medic1]

Landers where did you hear such crap ? Once you have had the virus for a while it is in every major organ .
The only prospect of any success is , shall make it simpler a nurse is drawing
bloods from a patient known to be hiv .
That nurse gets an accidental needle-stick injury , Emergency protocol kicks in
the nurse is put on a short course of intense retro-virals bloods are taking at
several different dates and this usually kills the virus before it can gat a grip and start to multiply. This same protocol is used with rape victims , with newly-born babies from hiv pos women because most baby infection is caught at the time
of birth . It is also used if someone goes to the er shortly after having unsafe sex.
You can have the virus yet your viral load can be undetectable.
Just think about what you said if that was the case then patients with hiv/aids
would be getting this treatment especially in 1st World countries.
Karen i understood from the start what you were saying it was not difficult in the least.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Karen i understood from the start what you were saying it was not difficult in the least.

I think Landers is referring to ONE case in ?Yugoslavia? where a man was cured of HIV by a bone marrow transplant. But the doctor who did that HAS to know that it's not a plausible widesperad solution because BMTs are invasive, PAINFUL procedures. I suspect that doctor was just trying to get his name into a scientific journal. The downside is now the internet is full of "HIV CAN BE CURED!" postings such as Landers. False hope.

 

[Samantha Jones]

I think Landers is referring to ONE case in ?Yugoslavia? where a man was cured of HIV by a bone marrow transplant. But the doctor who did that HAS to know that it's not a plausible widesperad solution because BMTs are invasive, PAINFUL procedures. I suspect that doctor was just trying to get his name into a scientific journal. The downside is now the internet is full of "HIV CAN BE CURED!" postings such as Landers. False hope.

I've got an ice cold Gin and sailor party with our name on it. Dump the dumbstick parade and get your fanny over here ASAP!

 

[andysayshi]

I can't speak for the US, but in Australia the largest growth in HIV cases is in young gay men. This has been attributed to a mistaken attitude that HIV is no longer a death sentence.

The reality is much different. Not all HIV sufferers can tolerate the drug cocktails used to manage the virus. And, of those who can, many will suffer long term complications including liver damage and cancer. The statistics are skewed because victims are dying from liver cancer before they can die from AIDS.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I've got an ice cold Gin and sailor party with our name on it. Dump the dumbstick parade and get your fanny over here ASAP!

Thanks honey, this crowd here is a bunch of downers, and not the good kind!

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

The reality is much different. Not all HIV sufferers can tolerate the drug cocktails used to manage the virus. And, of those who can, many will suffer long term complications including liver damage and cancer. The statistics are skewed because victims are dying from liver cancer before they can die from AIDS.

I don't mean to split hairs (even more) but nobody has ever or will ever die from AIDS. They die from complications related to AIDS, things you mentioned such as liver problems et cetera.

 

[rareboy]

This is where we're finding discordance, I know I can't be the only one who had been hearing in recent years that new cases are mostly young black WOMEN, not young gay black men or young gay men period. I believe it was here on JUB that someone posted an article circa a year ago that said HIV rates for gay men are leveling out.

No. I think it is also black males as well; mostly hetero, I suspect.

There is something about invincibility and the young.

This is a few years old, but at that time, it marked a scary trend that hasn't ended from what I understand.

It would also coincide with the higher incidence of single mothers in the black population in the US. And I think it may be partly because the use of protection by the males has been viewed as diminishing virility as well as poor birth control and disease prevention education.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/programs/hlgbsp/aids-rates.aspx