Piracy

[giftart]

LOL. That image made me laugh! the pig is too cute!

 

[blackbeltninja]

i'll never understand this.

the music, movies, books etc...that you're "copying" are the product of months, maybe even years work.

but according to many here, that work doesn't deserve reward.

and to top it all off, you claim to be "fans?"

really???

What about libraries? Do they pay extra for a book because they're going to rent it out free of charge?

I did my time as a student working in a dvd-rental store; we pay more to buy rental dvds than a consumer would buying to own it. Literally up to 4x the price per copy, in some cases.

As for the months and years of work - what if it's shit? Wouldn't it be fair to pay a deposit for something and then pay the balance if you like it? You can complain at a restaurant if the food is below par. Also, the fans get fleeced. By the album when it's new, or the book in harcover at debut launch, you pay x amount. Wait a few months and it goes into a bargain bin for 25% of the original cost. Same with games - Playstation Platinum, anyone? EA Classics? Also, as a fan you get the buggy version 1.0 which doesn't work properly. Fuck being a fan.

-d-

 

[Beachguyj]

So Beachguyj, are you getting the responses you wanted?

I just posted it because I thought the car stolen line was funny, but I'm glad that people actually discussed the topic.

 

[barnbuddy]

libraries serve a different purpose, and have a different place in the culture - linked with education, and certainly a different source of funding.

what we're talking about here is the 20th cent consumer model of the collector: music, comic books, romance novels, video games. etc....

this model created industries that created kind of a farm system for talent. was it perfect? no but I've been a happy consumer for years,

but today the music industry is going the way of soap operas

and replaced by what? you tube phenoms? a new Justin Bieber every couple years?

 

[borg69unimatrix]

People make it sound like this is all new to the computer age, but in my younger years I remember all us 'kids' tape recording songs off the radio, or we'd borrow each others movies and games... where were all the pirating bitchers then? I don't think we do it anymore now then before computers.

They're only leverage back then was if you wanted ONE song, you HAD to buy the whole crap album to get it. Or fall for their edited preview to think a movie was good until you paid to watch it to find out it was crap.

 

[altlover85]

People make it sound like this is all new to the computer age, but in my younger years I remember all us 'kids' tape recording songs off the radio, or we'd borrow each others movies and games... where were all the pirating bitchers then? I don't think we do it anymore now then before computers.

They're only leverage back then was if you wanted ONE song, you HAD to buy the whole crap album to get it. Or fall for their edited preview to think a movie was good until you paid to watch it to find out it was crap.

Good point about borrowing.

I think we'd have to see how widespread this is and if thee people that are pirating would have bought the item or not if they couldn't have pirated the item.

 

[eryk-v]

I would like to buy all the movies I want, all the music I want, and all the games I want, but I don't have the money/time to do it. I do buy the ones I really want/love, but other than that, I pirate it. It's the whole money issue, really. If I had the money, I would buy all the games I want to try, buy all the music I want to listen to, and buy all the movies I want to watch(and go to the theater, which I still do when there's a good release out..last time I did was Black Swan).
Oh well. I just don't have the money to give away to the artists..their work is reaching a wide audience though. Without piracy, I doubt I'd have half the music I do because it has enabled me to discover great musical artists/films.

 

[Rocketeer]

I don't see why it's such a big deal. I mean, most of the movies and music people pirate isn't even that good or worth buying. If there's a DVD or CD I really want, I'll buy it.

 

[blackbeltninja]

libraries serve a different purpose, and have a different place in the culture - linked with education, and certainly a different source of funding.

what we're talking about here is the 20th cent consumer model of the collector: music, comic books, romance novels, video games. etc....

this model created industries that created kind of a farm system for talent. was it perfect? no but I've been a happy consumer for years,

but today the music industry is going the way of soap operas

and replaced by what? you tube phenoms? a new Justin Bieber every couple years?

Sure, libraries have reference sections and encylopaedias, but they also have many thousands of novels (at least, .za libraries do). I read a lot and I buy a lot of books (probably 30 a year), but I still read more out of the library and that's a load of revenue lost to the authors.

Also, by inference, you're saying losing soap operas is a bad thing? My G_d, the situation here is significantly worse than I thought it was.

-d-

 

[barnbuddy]

actually, I happen to know a couple people in NY who have lost or are about to lose their jobs because soaps went down the drain.

sometimes, people forget that these "dinosaurs" actually provided a good living for a host of folks, not just the stars.

entertainment is an industry, in fact, one of the most successful in America. it's the only thing we export these days.

 

[blackbeltninja]

actually, I happen to know a couple people in NY who have lost or are about to lose their jobs because soaps went down the drain.

sometimes, people forget that these "dinosaurs" actually provided a good living for a host of folks, not just the stars.

This is unfortunate, but in all honesty a.) the soap opera concepts and storylines are long past their sell-by dates; and b.) they became crap.

-d-

 

[LilBit]

I would like to buy all the movies I want, all the music I want, and all the games I want, but I don't have the money/time to do it. I do buy the ones I really want/love, but other than that, I pirate it. It's the whole money issue, really. If I had the money, I would buy all the games I want to try, buy all the music I want to listen to, and buy all the movies I want to watch(and go to the theater, which I still do when there's a good release out..last time I did was Black Swan).
Oh well. I just don't have the money to give away to the artists..their work is reaching a wide audience though. Without piracy, I doubt I'd have half the music I do because it has enabled me to discover great musical artists/films.

So... I want it, but I can't afford it, so I'll just take it...

How is that different from theft?

 

[borg69unimatrix]

I just went to a movie with a friend of mine... the first time I've gone out to a movie in a couple years. The tickets (Matinee) were $7.50 each. Two large pops were $6.25 each. 1 large popcorn was $7.00

Why is it just theft if we pirate, but nobody complains about them robbing US with their over inflated prices?

I think it kinda goes both ways.

 

[Deandbn]

So... I want it, but I can't afford it, so I'll just take it...

How is that different from theft?

I think we need to re-word this slighty Dearest.

I want it, but they have put the prices so high that they are stealing from us and I dont want to afford it. So I make a copy of it. Why? because I can!!


In South Africa

1. How is it that blu-ray movies (+-R400) are about 8 times the price of standard movies (+-R50), Same CD same plastic cover.

2. How is it that audio CDs (R150-R170) are 3 times the price of standard movies.

annndddd... If you are daring enough to want a Gay (dare I mention that word) DVD or CD, well then they want R385 - R400 for it

all of which is a total rip-off as far as i can understand.

Greed makes the world go round.....

 

[Centexfarmer]

Its because alot of people dont think of piracy as stealing. One reason is because its simply not physical.

However much you've illegally downloaded, I challenge you to walk into music/dvd stores and shoplift the exact same amount. Then you'd understand the full gravity of the impact of piracy.
Here in the UK our main chain music/dvd stores have all closed down except for one, and they're closing down stores up and down the country one by one now.

Out of all of the posts in this thread ^ this one stuck with me the most.

Because the product being pirated at the time has a current "market value."

That to me is the difference.

Who cares if it's shit? The current market is willing to pay the value for it at the moment that it was pirated, and then given away to someone else.

That's what Pirates do. They don't take something from someone else and then keep it, usually they'll trade it for something else, or just give it away.

Which hasn't yet been discussed in this thread.

How many of you have knowingly taken something for "free" if you knew that it was Pirated?

Probably a lot of us, either because we didn't have the money to actually purchase it on our own, or we thought, 'they've already made enough money on it, so me taking it won't make any difference.'

Then I go back to what anchihiro posted:

Here in the UK our main chain music/dvd stores have all closed down except for one, and they're closing down stores up and down the country one by one now.

The loss of that revenue cost people their jobs.

Denying artists revenue for their work, often times means that they won't be able to continue to produce it.

That's what Piracy is; the taking away of revenue / value of something that doesn't belong to them, and not the product itself.

Sure, libraries have reference sections and encylopaedias, but they also have many thousands of novels (at least, .za libraries do). I read a lot and I buy a lot of books (probably 30 a year), but I still read more out of the library and that's a load of revenue lost to the authors.

Also, by inference, you're saying losing soap operas is a bad thing? My G_d, the situation here is significantly worse than I thought it was.

-d-

I too have used libraries to access reference books that I only need the information out of, and in some cases don't care to own.

However, I don't own those books. The local library does, and the authors own the copyrighted content of those books.

I don't copy the books, just what I needed out of them.

And I made sure that when writing something that the author of those books, and their titles were fully credited within my work so that others could find and purchase them later.

Piracy is taking something that doesn't belong to you, and giving away or trading it for something without any benefit of the original artist or creator of that work.

None.

That's why it's called Piracy, and why it's an issue. IMO.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I think we need to re-word this slighty Dearest.

I want it, but they have put the prices so high that they are stealing from us and I dont want to afford it. So I make a copy of it. Why? because I can!!


In South Africa

1. How is it that blu-ray movies (+-R400) are about 8 times the price of standard movies (+-R50), Same CD same plastic cover.

2. How is it that audio CDs (R150-R170) are 3 times the price of standard movies.

annndddd... If you are daring enough to want a Gay (dare I mention that word) DVD or CD, well then they want R385 - R400 for it

all of which is a total rip-off as far as i can understand.

Greed makes the world go round.....

Okay let's use your analogy of this issue.

If I had reasonable access to a "Duty Free Shop," I could save as much as 60% or more on the purchase of some items.

Some of them I'd literally have to leave the country to purchase, even though they're produced in a much closer proximity to me than where I'd have to go to purchase them at a cheaper rate.

So what do I do?

Without, and find a less expensive version of what I want, and don't mind paying a premium for the real thing because I know that I'll be one of a few that actually has it, therefore maintaining some of its real value.

 

[altlover85]

I think Piracy is wrong, but with the crap that's coming out, I think some people are getting what they deserve. Polished turds shouldn't be for sale.

Everyone has different tastes.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Just out of curiosity, how does YouTube get away with posting all the stuff it does???

 

[altlover85]

When someone like Rebecca Black can make money (granted, she isn't keeping it, which is awesome of her), I don't call that taste. Polished Turd are the words that come to mind.

Rebecca Black only made money because people were buying the song to make fun of it. I don't think that many actually thought it was good.

I think it was similar to the whole William Hung debacle a few years ago.

Just out of curiosity, how does YouTube get away with posting all the stuff it does???

I assume they pay royalties or a licensing fee something, but I really have no idea.

Good question.

 

[altlover85]

Some people still think it's a good song, like you said, it's a question of taste, but I'd like to think things were much better quality wise 20 years ago. You didn't have people buying media in order to mock it.

Well, it's different to spend a dollar on a song versus buying the whole album.