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[KaraBulut]

...And the fucking stupidity of escalating this insanity into yet more generations is vile. But of course, that is exactly what Bibi needs to save his criminal hide. Gee, I wonder who else that reminds me of?

^This

I've said this before: unless you have lived in the middle east, you have no concept of what generational revenge is. Americans think in terms of days. People in Europe and Asia, and specifically the middle east, think in terms of centuries. Their hatred persists beyond generations.

What Israel has done in killing over 30,000 people, mostly women and children, and destroying the infrastructure in Gaza is going to be the recruiting poster to the next round of genocide. There are about 7 million Jews in Israel. There are 382 million Muslims in the middle east, 88 million of whom are in Iran, which has vowed to eliminate Jews from Israel. It's clear who is going to win the long game.

 

[Kulindahr]

It doesn't matter what HAMAS did, Israel is still responsible for the blood on its own hands. Israel is not excused because other are terrorists.

It's war. Israel treats enemy civilians better than anyone else, but they are not going to play the terrorists' game any longer.

Hamas is worse than Nazi Germany, and every member needs to be eliminated. And given that the Gazans celebrated the terrorist attacks and cheered for rape and mutilation, there are few innocents involved.
Look at Egypt -- they know what Hamas is like, as do Syria and others: when they let Palestinians into their country, those Palestinians tried to take over the government by force.

And the fucking stupidity of escalating this insanity into yet more generations is vile.

That's exactly what Hamas has been working at ever since they got control of Gaza. Have you seen the vile anti-Jewish propaganda that they've used in schools?

The only solution that will work is the one Rome used with Carthage: when you have an enemy who makes peace then turns around to attack again, you don't keep playing their game, you wipe them out.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's clear who is going to win the long game.

No one. Israel will hit every major city of every nation that has aimed at genocide before they go down. Their mistake was not emptying Gaza back when they held the Sinai.

 

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[TX-Beau]

It's war. Israel treats enemy civilians better than anyone else, but they are not going to play the terrorists' game any longer.

Hamas is worse than Nazi Germany, and every member needs to be eliminated. And given that the Gazans celebrated the terrorist attacks and cheered for rape and mutilation, there are few innocents involved.
Look at Egypt -- they know what Hamas is like, as do Syria and others: when they let Palestinians into their country, those Palestinians tried to take over the government by force.

That's exactly what Hamas has been working at ever since they got control of Gaza. Have you seen the vile anti-Jewish propaganda that they've used in schools?

The only solution that will work is the one Rome used with Carthage: when you have an enemy who makes peace then turns around to attack again, you don't keep playing their game, you wipe them out.

I wonder how many dead babies we can hide behind the term "it's war?"

How very antiseptic.

Israel has become a terrorist state whining about victimhood while pursuing ethnic cleansing and outright genocide.

 

[NotHardUp1]

^This

I've said this before: unless you have lived in the middle east, you have no concept of what generational revenge is. Americans think in terms of days. People in Europe and Asia, and specifically the middle east, think in terms of centuries. Their hatred persists beyond generations.

What Israel has done in killing over 30,000 people, mostly women and children, and destroying the infrastructure in Gaza is going to be the recruiting poster to the next round of genocide. There are about 7 million Jews in Israel. There are 382 million Muslims in the middle east, 88 million of whom are in Iran, which has vowed to eliminate Jews from Israel. It's clear who is going to win the long game.

We all saw what happened in Eastern Europe once the pressure cooker's lid was off when the Berlin Wall fell. The old hatreds forced underground during Soviet occupation resumed their blood feuds.

Israel's war hawks have done just exactly the same self-serving gratuitous equivocation under Bebe that Trump's minions did when Obama was in office. Their hatred was so rabid that anything was justified. The hawks in Israel have chafed at the constraints put in place by more moderate governments, even though they also allowed settlements to continue to expand illegally.

And, Palestinians have been choked tighter and tighter and tighter during Israels occupation.

The world watches and waits, and gradually, more and more people have been born after the Holocaust. More and more people will grow deaf to the equivocations of Israel that she deserves to survive at any cost because she arrived in refuge status.

With the bitter seeds being sown every day by Israel's war crimes, the Arabs will have less and less ability to stop their most extreme members from using a nuke or a biological weapon to even the scale. Very wealthy men sit on the Arab's side. ANYTHING can be bought for a price.

It's a matter or time until it all blows up. And the US will erupt in riots before we allow troops to dive into the bottomless pit Israel has dug. She waves her hands about hundreds of deaths while she slaughters her tens of thousands.

We not only cannot save her from her fate now, we should not.

 

[Kulindahr]

 

[KaraBulut]

We all saw what happened in Eastern Europe ...

... and Iraq... and Bosnia...

Eventually, we'll learn from the patterns.

The world watches and waits, and gradually, more and more people have been born after the Holocaust.

The current college-age population were born long after events like the 1972 Munich Olympics or the 1985 Achille Lauro incident, so they are unaware of the long history of terrorism and asymmetric engagement. They only see an oppressed population of people in the midst of an "eye for an eye" engagement where the ratio seems to be running about 30 Gazan eyes for every Israeli eye. They are making the same foolish mistake that the post 1948 war generation made in blindly supporting one group of zealots over another group of zealots.

It did seem like during the Obama Administration, there was an attempt to treat both sides like ill-behaved children who needed to both be sent to time-outs. But then we had another "deal-making" President who decided to take sides... and now here we are getting sucked back into the intractable, endless conflicts in the middle east.

 

[NotHardUp1]

They are making the same foolish mistake that the post 1948 war generation made in blindly supporting one group of zealots over another group of zealots.

QFT

. . . we had another "deal-making" President who decided to take sides

President Trump pulled a Nixon. His predictably disastrous "foreign policy" and domestic turmoil, both subject to his "reality TV" macho persona and chutzpah, had to find something to rake from the coals of his self-immolation. Bebe's vendetta against Obama conveniently converged with Trump's vendetta, so a deal was cut to make both look successful to their hard line constituents, the world be damned. And so, we are.

If our nation re-elects this man baby with the full knowdedge of the complete lack of moratlity, ethics, humanitarinism, or honor, we will most richly deserve to fall. After 9/11, the military industrial complex secured a perch in the expansion of state surveillance, beyond even the lax law's limits. If Trump returns, we'll see actual persecution of the opposition, and civil war will follow. And it will ALL be because of a slothful electorate, indifferent to the onus of citizenship. When they sit out this election, Rome will burn.

 

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