Political correctness versus Mathematics; will liberals win?

[Kulindahr]

I asked for coherent and you produced 5 responses.[SUP]*[/SUP] (More bits and pieces)

I am trying to understand your message in some way that embraces logic. I don’t need more links and proof, but rather the concept itself.

Maybe you could scribble an outline on a notepad and then work those ideas into a single statement or essay.


Maybe the following will help you get started.

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His argument lacks coherence because it is ideological and not rational at base.

He lacks what both scientists and lawyers rely on: the ability to step back, dissociate yourself from a phenomenon, and analyze it logically.

 

[Kulindahr]

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So, the democrats want to establish a permanent one party control of the Federal and later State governments.

This is tiresome: both of the "Big Two" want "permanent one party control".

So, they have to destroy the white Christian majority and with it the Republican party.

No, they don't. All they'd have to do to put the GOP on the sidelines for the next forty years would be to return to the position JFK had on the Second Amendment -- that move alone would flip enough votes to neutralize the GOP advantage in three swing states (see if you can name them).

 

[Kulindahr]

They have for years demonized whites and Republicans calling them racists....

But they know the GOP is full of racists -- people who used to be Democrats until a certain man with the initials K.R. came along.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ I see your argument and believe that you are passionate and sincere. This is why I am a Conservative. We have to do as much as possible with the least government financial and moral expense. The more we evolve, the more colors we become. This is our future regardless of party, color or religion. We must work with that reality. It may fuel a Conservative ethic...doing more with less.

The conservative approach would be to stop talking about race at all, instead emphasizing the core values, values which have attracted immigrants by the millions. As I noted above, a society with no majority can be even stronger than one with a majority if all the minorities share a set of core values.

I noticed this two summers ago on the Fourth of July, that speakers talked a lot about freedom but never mentioned just what freedoms the Revolution had actually been about. At the time I thought that perhaps instead of celebrating the Fourth so much we should instead emphasize Bill of Rights Day (either September 25 or December 15, depending on whether you want the day those were introduced or the day they were finally ratified). Either way, we need to elevate the principles of both the Declaration and the Bill of Rights, because those are what define us as "We, the people".


BTW, it strikes me that someone interested in keeping the power and privileges of a white majority wouldn't be passionately arguing in favor of my 0.1% financial transaction tax, since owing trillions of dollars to non-white countries isn't exactly in tune with the program.

 

[Benvolio]

This is tiresome: both of the "Big Two" want "permanent one party control".



No, they don't. All they'd have to do to put the GOP on the sidelines for the next forty years would be to return to the position JFK had on the Second Amendment -- that move alone would flip enough votes to neutralize the GOP advantage in three swing states (see if you can name them).

Perhaps both parties do, but the democrats have found how create a permanent one party state and are very very close.

 

[ballcaphair]

The conservative approach would be to stop talking about race at all, instead emphasizing the core values, values which have attracted immigrants by the millions. As I noted above, a society with no majority can be even stronger than one with a majority if all the minorities share a set of core values.

I noticed this two summers ago on the Fourth of July, that speakers talked a lot about freedom but never mentioned just what freedoms the Revolution had actually been about. At the time I thought that perhaps instead of celebrating the Fourth so much we should instead emphasize Bill of Rights Day (either September 25 or December 15, depending on whether you want the day those were introduced or the day they were finally ratified). Either way, we need to elevate the principles of both the Declaration and the Bill of Rights, because those are what define us as "We, the people".


BTW, it strikes me that someone interested in keeping the power and privileges of a white majority wouldn't be passionately arguing in favor of my 0.1% financial transaction tax, since owing trillions of dollars to non-white countries isn't exactly in tune with the program.

In this climate it is good to have input that I embrace and also some that I may not agree with. But the fact that this debate,is possible is a brilliant light that we may reach together. I am a Conservative, but despite that, I'm an American with a Big American Heart. This gives me hope, which I was sure I'd lost.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Nevertheless, minorities, including blacks, overwhelmingly vote democrat and there is little chance of that changing. L

Maybe if the republican party changes its platform from the voice for angry militant xeno/homo/everyothercategorythatisntwhiteprotestants-phobic WASPS.... nah, you're right, little chance of that changing.

 

[Benvolio]

Maybe if the republican party changes its platform from the voice for angry militant xeno/homo/everyothercategorythatisntwhiteprotestants-phobic WASPS.... nah, you're right, little chance of that changing.

If both parties preach hate the rich, the whites and want higher and higher taxes, welfare, regulation of business etc we would have a pretty miserable economy.

 

[opinterph]

The failure in your position is that you assume that only a white majority can preserve those values.

But there is also an element of being “robbed” of heritage and being “compelled” to respect people who are different.

 

[opinterph]

… the democrats have found how [to] create a permanent one party state and are very very close.

And this will come about when the Supreme Court imposes new election laws?

 

[Benvolio]

To respond, I would have to discuss other cultures. Suffice it to say, other cultures are submissive to authoritarian government. They come here from authoritarian countries where the people accept it, and where democracy struggles take hold at best. Here, they vote against economic freedom in return for freebies. You may dismiss the importance of the American culture, but you are gambling with the future of our country and people for no good reason. If I am correct we may never be able to take back the liberties we are squandering away.

 

[gsdx]

To respond, I would have to discuss other cultures. Suffice it to say, other cultures are submissive to authoritarian government. They come here from authoritarian countries where the people accept it, and where democracy struggles take hold at best. Here, they vote against economic freedom in return for freebies.

With a few exceptions, of course, like Canada, the UK, Europe...

Once again, you lump the entire non-American human race into the same bigoted bundle and you never, ever, mention the immigrants who make a difference in America, or are successful and create jobs, or fight and die for their new country.

None of that.

 

[opinterph]

… the ability to step back, dissociate yourself from a phenomenon, and analyze it logically.

You certainly can’t start that process by pretending to reveal the motivations of a group you quite obviously do not understand.

Democrats are certain
the democrats want to
SO, they have to
they realized
so they amended the immigration laws
They received an added boost
the democrats regard this as
they realize
not working as well as they thought.
knowing
doing whatever they can
they devised the concept

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

If both parties preach hate the rich, the whites and want higher and higher taxes, welfare, regulation of business etc we would have a pretty miserable economy.

I've never heard a democrat preach hatred for whites. I've heard ample republicans preach anti-ethnic rhetoric, not even covertly. And there are more than a few who have aligned themselves with known white supremacists. The conservative party has an open door policy for known racists.

 

[Benvolio]

Looking at them critically, I think I understand them better than those who blindly accept what they are told. The rules do not allow full discussion of the problems.

 

[opinterph]

the rules of this forum … forbid comparisons of culture.

The rules of this forum have never forbidden comparisons of culture.

I support the culture of civility that respects dissent.

 

[Benvolio]

The rules of this forum have never forbidden comparisons of culture.

I support the culture of civility that respects dissent.

Fine. I would then point out that the hispanic countries as an example, struggle to maintain democracy, and are economically hindered by their lack of innovation; nose are first world economies. Mexico is stable, but it is a one party system and not a democracy. All too often hispanic countries fluctuate from a nascent democracy to a military dictatorship. These problems are a function of culture. I believe they result from the fact that the people are so accustomed to authoritarian government, and corruption, that they accept it. In science and technology, they are less likely to seek new answers. Attempts at innovation my be stifled by governmental interference and corruption. When the rest of Europe was experiencing the reformation and renaissance, Spain became more hardened and authoritarian. They expelled the Jews and operated the inquisition. They continue to be Catholic which is authoritarian and encourages poor people to have too many children, perpetuating poverty.
Perhaps eventually after several generations that culture will change, but no, I don't see it. They gravitate to the democrat party which is increasingly authoritarian and which promises to tax Americans to provide for the "poor."Coming in large numbers, they form hispanic communities and are encouraged not to integrate but to be diverse and multicultural. They retain their own language and as much as prossible, their culture. In California, whites are no longer the majority and there is a movement to become independent. Puerto Rico, with tax benefits, subsidies, and US citizenship, has a not progresses to become as affluent as the US and was bankrupt even before the hurricane. Venzuela had a democracy and the worlds larges oil reserves. It quickly became another dictatorship and a bankrupt one.

You will disagree. But you should ask yourself, why have not the hispanic counties become as successful as the US and other European culture countries? Hispanic is not a race, and this is not a question of race, but of culture. We are on the verge of giving the hispanics the controlling swing vote in the US. As Kaine told them "the future is yours." How can that be a good thing? Why are we intentionally changing from a great culture to an unsuccessful one? Why have liberals foreclosed discussion of it with accusations of racism?

 

[opinterph]

. ¶ When the rest of Europe was experiencing the reformation and renaissance, Spain became more hardened and authoritarian. They expelled the Jews and operated the inquisition. They continue to be Catholic which is authoritarian and encourages poor people to have too many children, perpetuating poverty.
Perhaps eventually after several generations that culture will change, but no, I don't see it. They gravitate to the democrat party …

List of political parties in Spain [Wiki]

 

[opinterph]

As Kaine told them "the future is yours."

Please explain this remark.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Looking at them critically, I think I understand them better than those who blindly accept what they are told. The rules do not allow full discussion of the problems.

I'm urged to translate this as "I can't say racist, one-sided things about blacks and Muslims." There have been plenty of discussions about different cultures on JUB. This very topic is as close as you can get to the line without stepping over it but just so we're clear your coded language and "wink wink nudge nudge" comments about "them...." we know who "them" is and we know how you feel about "them." "Political incorrectness" has become a euphemism for racism and xenophobia.