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Poll: 3 in 10 voters say “armed revolution might be necessary”

Durango95 said:
That is misleading. The "world" didn't love Obama per se. They loved the fact that America had Obama. None of those people in the respective countries that lauded the fact that he was President of the United States would ever elect one such as him for their leader. Can you imagine Obama as leader of France or the UK or Germany? Of course not, they wouldn't allow it. So their being overjoyed with Obama was not ever a compliment. It was a sneer.
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What is it with Americans and conspiracy theories? The world is not glad to see Obama in power because everyone has it in for the US and we thought Obama would make that happen. The world was glad to see Obama elected because finally the country has a chance again, to begin recovering from the unmitigated disaster of Bush Junior, which is likely to take a generation. My country sent my fellow citizens to fight and die alongside US citizens in Afghanistan. We don't have it in for you. That's just crazy conspiracy time on local cable tv or something to say we were hoping for Obama to fuck things up.

If you want to know how the world felt about the US before Obama, just google "how can 59 million people be so dumb."
 
loki81 said:
honestly, I believe there's 30% of the country that will agree to any statement posed to them in a poll.
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Ding Ding Ding.

I guarantee that maybe only 1% of these inbreds that agreed with the question are serious. The others are just a bunch of whining crybabies that are all bark and no bite. No different than the chickenhawks.
 
bankside said:
What is it with Americans and conspiracy theories? The world is not glad to see Obama in power because everyone has it in for the US and we thought Obama would make that happen. The world was glad to see Obama elected because finally the country has a chance again, to begin recovering from the unmitigated disaster of Bush Junior, which is likely to take a generation. My country sent my fellow citizens to fight and die alongside US citizens in Afghanistan. We don't have it in for you. That's just crazy conspiracy time on local cable tv or something to say we were hoping for Obama to fuck things up.

If you want to know how the world felt about the US before Obama, just google "how can 59 million people be so dumb."
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It isn't a theory if it is happening. The economy is tanking. Unemployment is pandemic. The executive branch tells its departments to disregard US law as it applies to many things, i.e. immigration, gun purchase enforcement, welfare and medicaid fraud. The foreign policy is in shambles. The AG lies to Congress. The administration retaliates against anyone that disagrees with them. The list goes on an on. In what country, pray thee tell, are you a citizen, so that I might become more aware of how superior your country is?
 
Durango95 said:
It isn't a theory if it is happening. The economy is tanking. Unemployment is pandemic. The executive branch tells its departments to disregard US law as it applies to many things, i.e. immigration, gun purchase enforcement, welfare and medicaid fraud. The foreign policy is in shambles. The AG lies to Congress. The administration retaliates against anyone that disagrees with them. The list goes on an on. In what country, pray thee tell, are you a citizen, so that I might become more aware of how superior your country is?
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Wow. What country do you live in? Sure doesn't sound like the America where I live.

Sounds like you'd better leave where you live because you like to bad mouth it. Maybe you can find some other place more your liking.


America.... love it or leave it.
 
Vive la Revolution

This is a low rent thread btw
 
Durango95 said:
It isn't a theory if it is happening. The economy is tanking. Unemployment is pandemic. The executive branch tells its departments to disregard US law as it applies to many things, i.e. immigration, gun purchase enforcement, welfare and medicaid fraud. The foreign policy is in shambles. The AG lies to Congress. The administration retaliates against anyone that disagrees with them. The list goes on an on. In what country, pray thee tell, are you a citizen, so that I might become more aware of how superior your country is?
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It isn't happening.

The economy was being flown into the ground from 2001-2009 and by no small amount of skill and a great deal of luck, Obama and Europe prevented it from crashing into a great depression. It's still not easy going. You're the one who thinks my country is superior - I never said that, though to be honest you'd need at least another 8 years of Obama beyond his two-year limit, and a constitutional amendment, before I'd even consider moving there.
 
bankside said:
It isn't happening.

The economy was being flown into the ground from 2001-2009 and by no small amount of skill and a great deal of luck, Obama and Europe prevented it from crashing into a great depression. It's still not easy going. You're the one who thinks my country is superior - I never said that, though to be honest you'd need at least another 8 years of Obama beyond his two-year limit, and a constitutional amendment, before I'd even consider moving there.
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I've got property in Jonestown that is just perfect for you.
 
Benvolio, are you old enough to know what the term broken record means? Back in the day, before cds, we had these vinyl disks that we placed on this thing called a phonograph. You put the record on the turntable of the phonograph, and placed an arm that contained a "needle" (not sewing needle) on the record and the needle translated the grooves on the record into sound. When the record became scratched or cracked, the needle would begin to jump, and you would hear parts of the sound from the record being repeated over and over again. To most of us who are over 40, you sound amazingly like a broken record. You have this tirade you keep going on about how immigrants are evil. And unless you are a Native American, your ancestors came here from somewhere else. This can be looked at in two ways, either immigration isn't inherently bad, or allowing your ancestors into this country was a mistake. Which is it?
 
Just a warning to everyone, I cannot confirm that it was a link in this thread, but Right after I clicked on a link in post above, I went into a blue screen of death and had to reboot.
 
Immigration is not inherently bad. But times have changed. The frontier is gone, the land is settled. The days of a rapidly expanding economy are gone by reason of foreign competition. We now have, it is said, 11 or so million unemployed, another 12 million under employed, many more millions who have given up. Wages for those without high education or difficult skills are low and stagnated. Massive immigration insures that that condition will continue or worsen. The racial minorities impacted most of all, and unemployment among black people are worst of all. Every problem we have is made worse by immigration; environmental problems, crime, welfare dependancy, poverty, health care, social divisiveness. There is no possibility that we can make progress against poverty if we continue to bring in millions and millions of more poor people. It is absolutely stupid to say that because our ancestors were immigrants, we are stuck with a perpetual influx of millions Of poor people.
 
Benvolio said:
Immigration is not inherently bad. But times have changed. The frontier is gone, the land is settled. The days of a rapidly expanding economy are gone by reason of foreign competition. We now have, it is said, 11 or so million unemployed, another 12 million under employed, many more millions who have given up. Wages for those without high education or difficult skills are low and stagnated. Massive immigration insures that that condition will continue or worsen. The racial minorities impacted most of all, and unemployment among black people are worst of all. Every problem we have is made worse by immigration; environmental problems, crime, welfare dependancy, poverty, health care, social divisiveness. There is no possibility that we can make progress against poverty if we continue to bring in millions and millions of more poor people. It is absolutely stupid to say that because our ancestors were immigrants, we are stuck with a perpetual influx of millions Of poor people.
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Dude, at this point we can all quote your opinion without even reading it. We know what you're gonna say. And nobody cares. Why do you bother?
 
ain't gonna be no revolution. You could get 30% of people on a survey to say they are going to have to defend themselves from invaders from Mars.
 
Benvolio, in recent years, immigration of Persons Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident Status has declined in the last few years according to records kept by the department of Homeland Security. Here are the actual numbers:
2005 1,122,257
2006 1,266,129
2007 1,052,415
2008 1,107,126
2009 1,130,818
2010 1,042,625
2011 1,062,040
2012 1,031,631

Historically, the numbers of immigrants have increased over the years, as shown in the records kept by the DHS, here is the full table:
Year Number Year Number Year Number Year Number
1820 8,385 1870 387,203 1920 430,001 1970 373,326
1821 9,127 1871 321,350 1921 805,228 1971 370,478
1822 6,911 1872 404,806 1922 309,556 1972 384,685
1823 6,354 1873 459,803 1923 522,919 1973 398,515
1824 7,912 1874 313,339 1924 706,896 1974 393,919
1825 10,199 1875 227,498 1925 294,314 1975 385,378
1826 10,837 1876 169,986 1926 304,488 1976¹ 499,093
1827 18,875 1877 141,857 1927 335,175 1977 458,755
1828 27,382 1878 138,469 1928 307,255 1978 589,810
1829 22,520 1879 177,826 1929 279,678 1979 394,244
1830 23,322 1880 457,257 1930 241,700 1980 524,295
1831 22,633 1881 669,431 1931 97,139 1981 595,014
1832 60,482 1882 788,992 1932 35,576 1982 533,624
1833 58,640 1883 603,322 1933 23,068 1983 550,052
1834 65,365 1884 518,592 1934 29,470 1984 541,811
1835 45,374 1885 395,346 1935 34,956 1985 568,149
1836 76,242 1886 334,203 1936 36,329 1986 600,027
1837 79,340 1887 490,109 1937 50,244 1987 599,889
1838 38,914 1888 546,889 1938 67,895 1988 641,346
1839 68,069 1889 444,427 1939 82,998 1989 1,090,172
1840 84,066 1890 455,302 1940 70,756 1990 1,535,872
1841 80,289 1891 560,319 1941 51,776 1991 1,826,595
1842 104,565 1892 579,663 1942 28,781 1992 973,445
1843 52,496 1893 439,730 1943 23,725 1993 903,916
1844 78,615 1894 285,631 1944 28,551 1994 803,993
1845 114,371 1895 258,536 1945 38,119 1995 720,177
1846 154,416 1896 343,267 1946 108,721 1996 915,560
1847 234,968 1897 230,832 1947 147,292 1997 797,847
1848 226,527 1898 229,299 1948 170,570 1998 653,206
1849 297,024 1899 311,715 1949 188,317 1999 644,787
1850 369,980 1900 448,572 1950 249,187 2000 841,002
1851 379,466 1901 487,918 1951 205,717 2001 1,058,902
1852 371,603 1902 648,743 1952 265,520 2002 1,059,356
1853 368,645 1903 857,046 1953 170,434 2003 703,542
1854 427,833 1904 812,870 1954 208,177 2004 957,883
1855 200,877 1905 1,026,499 1955 237,790 2005 1,122,257
1856 200,436 1906 1,100,735 1956 321,625 2006 1,266,129
1857 251,306 1907 1,285,349 1957 326,867 2007 1,052,415
1858 123,126 1908 782,870 1958 253,265 2008 1,107,126
1859 121,282 1909 751,786 1959 260,686 2009 1,130,818
1860 153,640 1910 1,041,570 1960 265,398 2010 1,042,625
1861 91,918 1911 878,587 1961 271,344 2011 1,062,040
1862 91,985 1912 838,172 1962 283,763 2012 1,031,631
1863 176,282 1913 1,197,892 1963 306,260
1864 193,418 1914 1,218,480 1964 292,248
1865 248,120 1915 326,700 1965 296,697
1866 318,568 1916 298,826 1966 323,040
1867 315,722 1917 295,403 1967 361,972
1868 138,840 1918 110,618 1968 454,448
1869 352,768 1919 141,132 1969 358,579
 
To finish my thought, If you look at the numbers, immigration has decreased during the Obama administration. Which tends to put holes in your theory. Also, according to statistics, (http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html) abortions have decreased since 1990. So where do you get your information that "Liberals" are aborting more and more fetuses so they can increase immigration of liberal voters?

And for your information, most of the "liberal" voters I know do not believe in abortion. Most of them believe I teaching sex education in schools and making condoms available to prevent unwanted pregnancies, then they do not have to become abortion statistics.
 
Perhaps the small changes in legal immigration explain why Obama's and the Democrats' primary focus is upon immigration reform, i.e. amnesty for the 11,000,000 or so illegal immigrants, rushing them to citizenship, while opposing IDs at the polls. Can you seriously doubt that the Democrats push for amnesty is because they know the new Hispanics will vote Democrat?
Look again at your link. The footnote says that the figures since 2002 are incomplete. Of course, the show a little decline. Are they counting the morning after pill as an abortion? What individual liberals prefer is not as relevant as how they vote, and the Democrat politicians do whatever they can to facilitate abortion. It is working. The birth rate is declining.
I am a little disappointed that you do not address the adverse effect which the massive immigration has upon existing Americans including minorities. Do you believe that an ever increasing population, mostly poor will improve Americans' way of life?
 
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